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Tar_Squid posted:Quigs was perfectly fine helping Starfish's pain train of infected kids, don't forget. The faster that guy dies the better, so he'll probably live forever in this comic. Quigley is a bad guy, but I think killing the kids and stuff was the line Quigley wasn't going to cross or something; he had to be promised that the kids would be released to keep working with them, right? quote:Matty isn't too much better given how attached he is to Uaid. Betting good money he does something horrible because of it. ...What? This is dumb. You're putting caring about someone on the same level as murder and stuff. That's ridiculous, even before you consider that Uaid is basically a giant baby.
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Jul 8, 2018 21:14
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Uaid is not only a giant toddler, he's also the one thing left Matty has of his dead mother.
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Jul 8, 2018 21:31
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Also the King of Sharteshane is not particularly villainous.
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Roland Jones posted:Quigley is a bad guy, but I think killing the kids and stuff was the line Quigley wasn't going to cross or something; he had to be promised that the kids would be released to keep working with them, right?    He refuses to work with Starfish until the latter promises to release the kids into his custody once the job's done (guessing he figured they were just body packers), but he's also satisfied to simply wash his hands of the matter and write them off as somebody else's problem. I can't imagine he wasn't aware of Starfish's loathsome proclivities either, so yeah, even drawing a line in the sand, he's still a pretty dubious guy. His wife and son are basically the only two things that afford him any narrative sympathy, and even then it's a pretty weak thread considering what a poor father he is to Matty.
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Bad Seafood posted:Eh, kinda sorta. Oh, yeah, he's still bad. I was just commenting on that particular thing, and couldn't remember the specifics since it's been so long. Though I feel like he wouldn't have been okay with the child molestation or that he commented on it at some point, but, again, I can't remember exactly. I need to reread this sometime. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Jul 9, 2018 |
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Jul 9, 2018 07:37
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FreeKillB posted:Others are correct about the corrupt decadence stuff, but when I say 'Sharteshane' is a villain, I'm mainly referring to Beadman, since he's the real power in Sharteshane. It's possible I was being deliberately disingenuous.
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Roland Jones posted:Oh, yeah, he's still bad. I was just commenting on that particular thing, and couldn't remember the specifics since it's been so long. Though I feel like he wouldn't have been okay with the child molestation or that he commented on it at some point, but, again, I can't remember exactly. I need to reread this sometime. Quigley strikes me as the sort of person who doesn't really care what other people get up to, good or bad, so long as it doesn't affect him and his, and he isn't required to take part (unless he wants to). The sort of person who substitutes nebulous "Standards" in place of traditional morals or ethics. I'd imagine he cares less about child abuse itself and more about not wanting to personally be a child abuser - though he's got no qualms working with one, and Starfish is anything but discrete. Compare Duane, who takes exception to anyone anywhere hurting anyone's children for any reason. Even inhuman children. Even the enemy's children.
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Duane did attack children recently. http://www.casualvillain.com/Unsounded/comic/ch13/ch13_55.html Meanwhile, more fantasy racism: http://www.casualvillain.com/Unsounded/comic/ch13/ch13_67.html
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Cat Mattress posted:Duane did attack children recently. http://www.casualvillain.com/Unsounded/comic/ch13/ch13_55.html Not that that excuses it, accident or not - she could've died, easily, and it would've been his fault - but as far as extenuating circumstances go, Duane hasn't willfully compromised his principles, which matters when analyzing intent. I wouldn't be surprised to see him penitent and trying to make amends in the morning, assuming Sette doesn't hide what he did from him (IIRC, he doesn't remember himself at night). EDIT: Even in anger, as his sanity's slipping and he stops seeing the children as children, he's still able to contain himself enough not to lash out at them. Bad Seafood fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Jul 9, 2018 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Duane did attack children recently. http://www.casualvillain.com/Unsounded/comic/ch13/ch13_55.html It's a fantasy ethnic cleansing.
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Roland Jones posted:Oh, yeah, he's still bad. I was just commenting on that particular thing, and couldn't remember the specifics since it's been so long. Though I feel like he wouldn't have been okay with the child molestation or that he commented on it at some point, but, again, I can't remember exactly. I need to reread this sometime. If he hasn't outright explicitly rationalized it at some point in the comic he certainly did so offscreen. He does with pretty much everything, because while he likes to pose like he's suffering for his own noble nature he's decided "my wife is dead and I'm broke" justifies literally anything. It's why he immediately takes an irredeemable loathing to Duane, who is everything he pretends to be and blatantly is not, and every time Duane tries to be the bigger man about it just makes things worse. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jul 9, 2018 |
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It helps that he's also the subject of a famous play that he probably doesn't see any royalties from, so everybody's willing to buy into the romanticism, and Quigley still really needs that cash.
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That raises the interesting question of "does communist/socialist Cresce have copyright laws?" With a planned economy, do people get to have "art" as a designated job, or is all art produced by amateurs around their assigned work?
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Given the degree of government control in Cresce, I wouldn't be surprised to learn they have a very robust merit-based job assignment system - by which I mean, it's your own fault you're stuck digging ditches; you didn't have the aptitude for anything else. But yeah, there's definitely some form of state-sponsored artistry.
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Bad Seafood posted:Given the degree of government control in Cresce, I wouldn't be surprised to learn they have a very robust merit-based job assignment system - by which I mean, it's your own fault you're stuck digging ditches; you didn't have the aptitude for anything else. Cresce offers every man purpose. 
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The great thing about how she interacts with her fans is I just wandered over to her tumblr and asked, which netted a pretty comprehensive reply: "Yep, those are assigned jobs. You compete for them. It’s good to realise that while the state makes demands of every city, the cities are like individual states and are allowed to largely run themselves. They know what they need best in ways that distant Fluirstadt never can. It’s when a city fails that the Palace steps in to correct it or, if there is no recourse, shut it down and relocate people. The arts are interesting because like companies in our world, cities in Cresce are always in competition with each other for the best people to fill its positions. A city wants the best doctors, the best architects and engineers, the best wrights, the best performers. Talent and skill are their capital. So they want their cities to be attractive places to live, giving them incentive to fill out their creative positions with the best people. They want their playhouse to have the best actors, singers, musicians, and directors. They want the writers of popular novels and articles to advertise the qualities of their home town. They want beautiful murals on their streets and beautiful paintings in their municipal offices. And everyone wants to wear the finest glamours. Crescians are extremely focused on the arts since it’s such a source of personal competition and peer prestige. You have a hard time outspending people so you dress better than them. Have a more beautifully adorned house or hound or children. And entertainment is important for keeping the masses placated so the state has always been motivated to support the arts. When a city starts failing one of the first things they do to try and attract people back to it is to fund large and beautiful public works, like the clock tower in Ethelmik. edit: Forgot to answer the copyright law bit. No, I don’t imagine there are copyright laws and for this reason: a community that so values the arts is going to self-police them. If you put out something that is ripping someone else off, the public is going to revile you. I could actually see them like, lynching you. A more Crescian crime would be taking some kind of brilliant idea to a publisher or art distributor and having them steal it from you there at that point. Give it to another artist they’re in cahoots with. This situation would suck and probably encourages a very open and collaborative working process so the people of your community understand you and your work, and can help protect it from thieves and scavengers."
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I thought the same, considering how identical the questions about making art in Cresce were. I also remember Ashley saying that doing art, or pretty much whatever that's legal is okay to spend free time there, so there wouldn't be a complete lack of armature stuff of varying quality. I'm pretty sure I also remember her saying that if you are into it enough, good enough, and most importantly know the right people, job changes occasionally happen. As long as you do your regular job though, I don't think there's anything stopping you from making a painting on the side or whatever as long as you have access to supplies.
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TheFuzzyLumpkin posted:The great thing about how she interacts with her fans is I just wandered over to her tumblr and asked, which netted a pretty comprehensive reply: poo poo I like cresce now??
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Motherfucker posted:poo poo I like cresce now?? Cresce is, notionally, a pretty good place to live.
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until they decide you're surplus to requirements and have your town liquidated
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usually the town isnt purged by fire, they just make you move somewhere else more useful were it not for the whole lizard genocide thing, cresce would be undoubtedly the best faction in this setting sadly communists commit war crimes too
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I don't imagine you have good odds if you're not ethnically Crescian either. I also feel like the monarchic communism aspect should invite more corruption and mismanagement than real world communism does.
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its really more of an aristocracy than a monarchy, the monarch is elected by the nobility iirc (term length is life) anyway i get the feeling that cresce isnt the worst place to be of foreign descent as long as you arent an ald (and honestly its hard to blame them), like yeah racism undoubtedly exists but i imagine its still better than the modern western world
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Tollymain posted:usually the town isnt purged by fire, they just make you move somewhere else more useful I've got some good news, lizards aren't people. They don't even have souls! This has been empirically determined!
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I've got some good news, lizards aren't people. They don't even have souls! This has been empirically determined! i really wanna know what the lizard peoples deal is
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the latest in a litany of fantastical creatures mankind has exterminated under the justification that if their memories don't flow into the universal grease trap that is the Khert than they're not really alive in any real sense thus its totally ok to kill and enslave them.
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arent the only other sapient creatures running around senet beasts? seriously what the hell is the deal w the lizard-people existing
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did the world undergo an evolutionary phase? maybe the lizards were just a freak accident
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General Bell seems to have a thing for casual communion with the dead.
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With the Gefendur twin sacrifice, I always assumed the surviving twin had to cannibalize the other but is it the queen instead? If that's the case then maybe Bell tasting blood is also a power play.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I don't imagine you have good odds if you're not ethnically Crescian either. Does Cresce have an official policy on non-Aldish foreigners? They seem pretty distrustful of Sharteshane because of their... "aggressive capitalism" but if I recall correctly no one seemed all that put off by Sette in Ethelmik so long as she wasn't Aldish. I have a hard time keeping the politics in this comic straight.
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DrSnakeLaser posted:With the Gefendur twin sacrifice, I always assumed the surviving twin had to cannibalize the other but is it the queen instead? I'm pretty sure the sacrificed twin is cut up and distributed among the higher class in a fancy party. Wait, just checked the wiki: "At no younger than twenty years of age, the youngest of the Twins is poisoned with softi and its flesh carved and roasted and eaten by Gefendur clergy, local state officials, and anyone who can offer a large enough sum of money to the local diocese. To eat this softi-blessed flesh ensures great fortune and prosperity, and all but promises Yerta's favour upon one's death. This strange feast occurs semiannually, at the beginning of Yerta's quarter (The Mother's Day or the first day of Spring) of the year and Tirna's quarter of the year (The Sister's Day or the first day of Autumn). The Gefendur calendar revolves around these two events. "
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DrSnakeLaser posted:With the Gefendur twin sacrifice, I always assumed the surviving twin had to cannibalize the other but is it the queen instead? quote:Bell really likes licking up his comrades blood, huh? Is that any kind of symbolic thing or old tradition, or is Bell just weird?
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Tollymain posted:arent the only other sapient creatures running around senet beasts? Senet beasts are a different deal than the lizards, they generate their own mini-khert. Two-toes are under the jurisdiction of the normal/human-centric khert, they just... sort of don't get their memories processed by it after they die. Except maybe Prakhuta, now, thanks to Delicieu's work.
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Tollymain posted:did the world undergo an evolutionary phase? maybe the lizards were just a freak accident Official paleontology is that the gods experimented and worked towards what they ultimately wanted to create, with humans being the pinnacle of their achievement What does this mean for the two-toes? Maybe they were a prototype for ensoulment? Maybe they were an accident, or an inspirational accident? Maybe Kasslynian paleontologists are completely full of poo poo?
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like, i guess what im saying is, senet beasts predate the khert and sort of have their own minikhert, and the khert is specifically attuned to humans. both of these kinds of beings are (or possibly can be, in the case of senet beasts. i'm not sure that walking forest thing sette got killed had that much going on upstairs) sapient. i dont think any other naturally occurring sapient creatures have been mentioned in the story beside lizards, the closest thing is an artificial, v cunning bit of pymary like blue boy so what the gently caress is up with the lizards, the creatures who apparently have no such equivalent? i fully believe theyre people, i just want to know what their deal is
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