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SirSamVimes posted:That is a real dumb opinions because the movement in this game is so precise and fluid and it deserves a serious platforming challenge. I think the controls are really precise too but I've heard more than one person complain that the controls aren't precise enough. I don't know how they could be improved any more. The last time I heard this complaint it was from someone who felt the game was unfair because the controls were too imprecise to navigate the environmental hazards. Additionally -- I swear I am not making this up -- they felt it was unfair that you take damage when you touch an enemy, which is how virtually every Metroidvania game ever made works. This same person specifically professed an affection for Castlevania. I don't know how to respond to these complaints. The smart answer is probably to say nothing and let it go, because it's no skin of my teeth and I strongly suspect the real answer is that they are dogshit at platforming games yet are prepared to blame everyone but themselves for their poor performance, but I hate to see people miss out on the game.
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Jul 13, 2018 21:25
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I don't understand the end to the oath of pain. Where's the dark souls more video game guy for this game.
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Jul 13, 2018 21:25
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I don’t care if people don’t like the white palace compared to the other parts of the game but every now and then you get posts claiming it is badly designed and that is so ludicrous. Like, I play platformers like Celeste and Super Meat Boy and White Palace is clearly well designed platforming. Even if you don’t want that in the game, it’s crazy to assert it isn’t well-made platforming. It also has a crazy amount of shortcuts you can take by pogo bouncing off stuff, which is cool.
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Jul 13, 2018 21:28
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Turtlicious posted:I don't understand the end to the oath of pain. Where's the dark souls more video game guy for this game. White King loved the first Hollow Knight.
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Jul 13, 2018 21:30
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Cowcaster posted:i think it was in the chat thread the other day some guy was like "i really hate how they shoehorned in the white palace jumping puzzle at the end of the game when it's so absolutely clear the game wasn't designed for jumping puzzles it loving ruins it" and that was a real While I don't agree with the guy, and I definitely don't think that about White Palace which was a really cool area, I did feel that way in earlier parts in the game. There's a bunch of side areas that are super tough if you don't have upgrades or awesome charms like hiveblood, and they can be frustrating and feel like super meat boy, except instead of starting a few seconds from your last jump you spawn at a bench 10 minutes away. In retrospect I do like those areas though, and that they are designed in a way that if you really push yourself you can get cool items early, or you can wait and get them once you have more mobility upgrades and it will be a piece of cake, but the item might seem less exciting by that point. When I finally picked a certain upgrade up I was like "Holllly poo poo, I could have just SWAM through that boiling water, and completely trivialized those jumps with double jump!?! I still felt more badass for getting though it without upgrades in the end.
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Jul 13, 2018 21:35
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You actually do almost exactly a meat boy respawn when you hit spikes. You just have limited hits.
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Jul 13, 2018 21:37
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white palace was really cool; I was braced for the worst from posts but it was much easier than celeste. though having hiveblood helped a lot. there were definitely a couple parts that I avoided thinking about the intended solution and climbed a spike wall or something. for imprecise controls, I could see it if they’re talking about the double jump. it’s got that little swoop. it’s cool though i like it
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Jul 13, 2018 21:39
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No Wave posted:You actually do almost exactly a meat boy respawn when you hit spikes. You just have limited hits. Yes. But once those are gone you spawn at a bench and in the early game your recovery options are extremely limited.
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guppy posted:I think the controls are really precise too but I've heard more than one person complain that the controls aren't precise enough. I don't know how they could be improved any more. The last time I heard this complaint it was from someone who felt the game was unfair because the controls were too imprecise to navigate the environmental hazards. But... The Knight responds to every keypress and you gave complete control over your jumps. You stop going up as soon as you let go of the key. How can you make the movement any more precise? quote:Additionally -- I swear I am not making this up -- they felt it was unfair that you take damage when you touch an enemy, which is how virtually every Metroidvania game ever made works. This same person specifically professed an affection for Castlevania. I've seen this complaint too. I don't understand the mentality that universal contact damage is an inherently bad thing.
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it’s worth noting that one concession the path of pain makes that the white palace proper does not is all the soul statues are infinite use
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b_d posted:white palace was really cool; I was braced for the worst from posts but it was much easier than celeste. though having hiveblood helped a lot. there were definitely a couple parts that I avoided thinking about the intended solution and climbed a spike wall or something. Yeah basically hiveblood was the difference between me enjoying WP and just peacing out. It just turns it into a matter of time and practice. If I was respawning at benches I think I'd have just quit.
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So It Goes posted:I don’t care if people don’t like the white palace compared to the other parts of the game but every now and then you get posts claiming it is badly designed and that is so ludicrous. Like, I play platformers like Celeste and Super Meat Boy and White Palace is clearly well designed platforming. Even if you don’t want that in the game, it’s crazy to assert it isn’t well-made platforming. It also has a crazy amount of shortcuts you can take by pogo bouncing off stuff, which is cool.
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Jul 13, 2018 21:48
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I really love the focus system. it’s like estus except instead of a fixed number you refuel it by engaging in combat. I mean outside of the few enemy-less sections
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b_d posted:I really love the focus system. it’s like estus except instead of a fixed number you refuel it by engaging in combat. I mean outside of the few enemy-less sections It also includes a trade-off between damage and healing by using the same resource as your spells!
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Jul 13, 2018 21:51
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SirSamVimes posted:But... The Knight responds to every keypress and you gave complete control over your jumps. You stop going up as soon as you let go of the key. How can you make the movement any more precise? One thing that always annoyed me, just a little bit, is the delay on the double jump. I don't understand why the devs built inertia into exactly one move and then ignored it otherwise
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SirSamVimes posted:But... The Knight responds to every keypress and you gave complete control over your jumps. You stop going up as soon as you let go of the key. How can you make the movement any more precise? Someone in this or the Switch thread claimed it had like half a second of input lag and that the game was actually unplayable. I don't know what was up with that, it's not like it's hard to find footage of people playing the game perfectly fine.  One Hundred Monkeys posted:One thing that always annoyed me, just a little bit, is the delay on the double jump. I don't understand why the devs built inertia into exactly one move and then ignored it otherwise yeah that tripped me up so bad when I first got it. When I got used to it I kinda started loving it though, it makes it feel distinctly different from a regular ol' video game double jump.
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Capri Sun Tzu posted:Imo people who complain about the white palace are LOSERS who can't even beat video games by sitting in a starbucks for 6 hours until your girlfriend gets off work like I did I honestly can’t believe that’s what you took away from my post. Did you misquote me for someone else who was actually making a ‘get gud’ type argument?
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Jul 13, 2018 21:53
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it's a joke post, my dude
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So It Goes posted:I honestly can’t believe that’s what you took away from my post. Did you misquote me for someone else who was actually making a ‘get gud’ type argument?
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Jul 13, 2018 21:57
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All of you talking about White Palace better pick up Celeste 
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Jul 13, 2018 21:58
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SirSamVimes posted:It also includes a trade-off between damage and healing by using the same resource as your spells! yeah!!
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Broken Cog posted:All of you talking about White Palace better pick up Celeste Celeste is a good game and chapter 7 made me feel emotions.
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Jul 13, 2018 21:59
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I can't decide between Celeste, Cuphead, or Ori and the Blind Forest for my next foray into a 2D game.
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Broken Cog posted:All of you talking about White Palace better pick up Celeste I know I've told this story a dozen times already but Celeste coming out right after I beat the Path of Pain and wanted more was the most perfect timing ever 
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Jul 13, 2018 22:01
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veni veni veni posted:I can't decide between Celeste, Cuphead, or Ori and the Blind Forest for my next foray into a 2D game. Definitely Celeste imo. Ori is good, Cuphead is decent (but with phenomenal art), Celeste is amazing.
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One Hundred Monkeys posted:One thing that always annoyed me, just a little bit, is the delay on the double jump. I don't understand why the devs built inertia into exactly one move and then ignored it otherwise I feel like this is one of the only times that the complaints about imprecise controls has some merit. It can feel like bullshit when you see the wing fluttering animation right before you get impaled on some spikes
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Jul 13, 2018 22:03
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veni veni veni posted:I can't decide between Celeste, Cuphead, or Ori and the Blind Forest for my next foray into a 2D game. it's none of those actually get rain world instead
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Jul 13, 2018 22:04
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I found Ori a little disappointing. It's very pretty, and the introduction gave me Feelings, but the combat is just horrifically bad. The exploration stuff is quite nice.
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Jul 13, 2018 22:06
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veni veni veni posted:I can't decide between Celeste, Cuphead, or Ori and the Blind Forest for my next foray into a 2D game.
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Jul 13, 2018 22:06
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I totally forgot about rain world. That good huh? I remember it having a really nice looking style. I'm getting all of them eventually, I just can't decide which genre I'm in the mood for.
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Jul 13, 2018 22:06
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Rain World is hard as balls.SirSamVimes posted:I've seen this complaint too. I don't understand the mentality that universal contact damage is an inherently bad thing. Contact damage takes a lot of getting used to in a mostly melee based game like HK. There’s a much steeper learning curve to avoid taking damage in Hollow Knight fights than there is in say, Super Metroid.
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Jul 13, 2018 22:12
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rain world seems to be extremely polarizing. sounds like it's very hostile at first
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Jul 13, 2018 22:12
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SirSamVimes posted:How can you make the movement any more precise? Let me cancel the dash, Team Cherry.
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grancheater posted:Let me cancel the dash, Team Cherry.
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grancheater posted:Let me cancel the dash, Team Cherry. If you fully charge up a dash that's going to get you hurt, take the hit like a
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Jul 13, 2018 22:19
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you can cancel the super dash after you start one. it just takes like half a screen to brake
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There's a part where they expect you to power dash and then put a single 'tile' of spikes directly in your path and it made me lol irl. Well, that's my dash storyVenuz Patrol posted:it's none of those actually 
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cuphead is very good i recommend that
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I love rain world but it's about as far away as possible from the kind of movement in hollow knight. Play it anyway though
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