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How painful is it to reform the roman empire/mend the schism? I'm really goddamn terrible at marrying my kids into title claims. Every time I've tried to push someone else's claim it's resulted in them becoming independent.
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CascadeBeta posted:How painful is it to reform the roman empire/mend the schism? I'm really goddamn terrible at marrying my kids into title claims. Every time I've tried to push someone else's claim it's resulted in them becoming independent. I did it with my last game, and it wasn't bad, but it was with a Shattered World start, so ymmv. I found it was helpful to make every duchy/country I could, hand them out, and then press claims for whatever counties I could within those territories. If you're lucky, your vassals will start to do it on their own after a while.
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Jul 12, 2018 14:40
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CascadeBeta posted:How painful is it to reform the roman empire/mend the schism? I'm really goddamn terrible at marrying my kids into title claims. Every time I've tried to push someone else's claim it's resulted in them becoming independent. It's not that difficult. Mending the schism is easier, since three of the four patriarchy seats you need are held by Muslims. The Old Gods start date doesn't suffer from an Abassyd mega blob, so getting through the holy wars is easier then by the way. And I set my councilor to fabricate a claim on Rome as the first thing I do if I start as the Byzantine Emperor. Reforming the Empire is also usually a matter of endless holy wars, while in the meantime you set your councilors to fabricate claims on the parts of Italy that you need as well. I think it's only about 8 or 9 counties to fabricate claims on, the rest you get through pressing de jure duchy claims. By the time you've thoroughly dismantled the Muslim Clown Car, you will have the Italian provinces. This can of course be sped up by marrying into claims or outright inheritances, but as I wrote, fabricating claims is sufficient as well. If all else fails, you can use the Jade Dragon CBs to grab that one province your councilor refuses to produce a claim for.
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Jul 12, 2018 14:44
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CascadeBeta posted:How painful is it to reform the roman empire/mend the schism? As childbirth.
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Jul 12, 2018 14:54
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Hah, wildly different responses. My first thought was to start as Alexios in 1081, but is an old gods start more interesting? Let em rephrase actually: is it more or less fun to start earlier and avoid some death blobs? I don't want to go easy and boring. CascadeBeta fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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Jul 12, 2018 15:21
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CascadeBeta posted:How painful is it to reform the roman empire/mend the schism? I'm really goddamn terrible at marrying my kids into title claims. Every time I've tried to push someone else's claim it's resulted in them becoming independent. To gain stuff by pushing claims, you need to meet two conditions: 1) the rank that's being targeted has to be a lower rank than yours, 2) the person who holds the claim has to be either a blood member of your dynasty or a landed vassal of yours
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Jul 12, 2018 16:39
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IIRC if it's a king level title, you need both parts of #2 to be true.
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Jul 12, 2018 16:42
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Main Paineframe posted:To gain stuff by pushing claims, you need to meet two conditions:
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Jul 12, 2018 17:04
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Main Paineframe posted:To gain stuff by pushing claims, you need to meet two conditions: So it does nothing if you push a claim of a courtier, unless they are also at least a count? Can you push a claim for a mayor?
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Jul 12, 2018 17:09
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Dirk Pitt posted:So it does nothing if you push a claim of a courtier, unless they are also at least a count? Can you push a claim for a mayor? Or if he is part of you dynasty And yes, you can push claims for mayors, although Im not sure if he is going to be your vassal after the war
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Jul 12, 2018 17:12
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I've never seen a mayor with a claim. Mayors are randomly generated for each city, including on death/succession since it's an elected position. Well, if you count patricians that have a city then sure, or if you give a city over to a dude with a claim. But your average run of the mill mayor will never have a claim when the game generates him.
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Jul 12, 2018 17:56
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Dirk Pitt posted:So it does nothing if you push a claim of a courtier, unless they are also at least a count? Can you push a claim for a mayor? It works for a mayor, though I think it might end up as a republic rather than a feudal title. The important part is that they're landed under you. Pressing someone's claim doesn't, by itself, create a vassal relationship between you and the person in question - they just get the title. So if they aren't already your vassal, they'll just leave your court and go be an independent lord, just like they would if they had simply inherited the title. If they're already your vassal, on the other hand, they'll stay your vassal and their new title will just be added to their existing holdings and realm. So if you're going to press someone's claim, grant them a title in your realm first. Unless you press a claim that's equal or higher rank to yours, anyway - if your highest title is a kingdom and you push someone else's kingdom claim, then they'll go independent no matter what because a king can't rule over another king. The exception is if they're a member of your dynasty, or (as others have pointed out) if the title that was pressed was something in your de jure realm. In either of those cases, they'll become your vassal even if they were unlanded before.
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Jul 12, 2018 18:02
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CascadeBeta posted:Hah, wildly different responses. My first thought was to start as Alexios in 1081, but is an old gods start more interesting? Earlier starts are actually easier because the Byzantines just get weaker over time. Old Gods might be a little easier than Charlemagne just because you have the Abbasids and Francia/the HRE to deal with in the latter, but both of them tend to implode pretty reliably on their own (the HRE rarely even forms in the first place), and honestly you’ll be strong enough to take them in a straight fight anyway so it’s not a big deal if they don’t. Alexios start will probably be the most challenging just because you have a lot of territory you need to claw back and less time to do it, but it’s still far from a “Beta Israel” level challenge so it’s pretty doable if you’re at least moderately familiar with the game.
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Jul 12, 2018 20:38
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I think I'll stick with Alexios or a vassal of his in 1081 then. I want to drag victory from the jaws of defeat.
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Jul 12, 2018 20:45
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An easy way to game the system for pushing other people's claims is looking at a title's claimants in the title menu and then inviting them to your court. Once they're in your court you don't even need to grant them a county, just a single barony and they'll still become your vassal if the claimed title is a lower rank than yours. If you dont care about vassal kings this makes expanding as an emperor super loving fast.
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Jul 12, 2018 21:02
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Yeah Alexios is a hell of a lot of fun. You're beset on all sides by Turks, Arabs, Bulgarians, and Normans, but luckily Al himself is a really drat good character, all of your vassals serve at the Emperor's pleasure, you've got your own personal mercenary unit of angry vikings at a discount, and when you win you can slice off your foes' frank and beans as a trophy.
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Jul 12, 2018 21:04
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Earlier starts are actually easier because the Byzantines just get weaker over time. Old Gods might be a little easier than Charlemagne just because you have the Abbasids and Francia/the HRE to deal with in the latter, but both of them tend to implode pretty reliably on their own (the HRE rarely even forms in the first place), and honestly you’ll be strong enough to take them in a straight fight anyway so it’s not a big deal if they don’t. OTOH, I heard that Charlemagne is the easiest character to start with; just go through the usual story events, then swear fealty to Byzantium instead of forming the HRE. You're now absurdly powerful and already control half of the duchies you need to reform Rome.
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Jul 12, 2018 21:26
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That's brilliant and almost makes a tiny bit of historical sense.
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Jul 12, 2018 21:52
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darthbob88 posted:OTOH, I heard that Charlemagne is the easiest character to start with; just go through the usual story events, then swear fealty to Byzantium instead of forming the HRE. You're now absurdly powerful and already control half of the duchies you need to reform Rome. I appreciate the cunning involved here but even my black heart can't countenance the restoration of the old Roman Empire by anybody but a true Byzantine.  To contribute, I think the Charlie start is still best for Rome runs. Abandon Iconoclasm ASAP, sieze the throne if you're not already playing as the Isauros basileus, then focus your efforts on tossing the slavs out of the de jure Byzantine territory while marrying into/fabricating claims on the required Italian territories required to restore Rome (starting with Rome itself, gently caress the Pope.) Try to avoid landing relatives if you like your various Strategos/Exarchs to stay within their de jure territory. As for the Muslim world, exploit civil wars if not decadence revolts among the Abbasids and the Sultans of Egypt and Africa to obtain Tunis, Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria. Save your points with China so that if you can't get those opportunities you can have the dragon break up the Abbasid blob. Once you've restored the Roman Empire the imperial reconquest CB will give you the means to achieve SPQR.
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Jul 12, 2018 21:59
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Honky Dong Country posted:I appreciate the cunning involved here but even my black heart can't countenance the restoration of the old Roman Empire by anybody but a true Byzantine. Only a true Byzantine can restore the empire! *plays as an Isaurian*
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Jul 13, 2018 00:24
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Alexios start will probably be the most challenging just because you have a lot of territory you need to claw back and less time to do it, but it’s still far from a “Beta Israel” level challenge so it’s pretty doable if you’re at least moderately familiar with the game. Even after the nerf, but they made up for that by letting you secretly convert via holy sites to religions that consider it holy.
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Jul 13, 2018 01:15
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Goon Danton posted:Only a true Byzantine can restore the empire! *plays as an Isaurian* All I'm saying is I can't bring myself to use a Frank to restore the Roman Empire when there's assloads of Greek Byzantines to use. Especially one like Charlemagne that comes with a shitload of land when it's really not hard to do a SPQR run without cheesing yourself into all of Francia using a Karling bending the knee to the Byzantines. Half the fun of playing the Byzantines is dealing with their internal politics. Swearing fealty with a veritable empire already under your belt just doesn't feel like it'd be fun at all to me. Deceitful Penguin posted:Beta Israel ain't poo poo these days thanks to the joys of religious cults. Yeah secret cults made minority religions waaaaaay more survivable. I've pulled off a Jewish Semien Israel run even before cults but holy poo poo it wasn't easy. Once cults got added it was so much more doable. Honky Dong Country fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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Jul 13, 2018 02:11
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Eventually hordes get too easy. After a few huge invasions I had too much to fail. So I decided to bail and try out islam again. I sort of expect zhezdi to implode now. If they end up attacking me then this will backfire majorly. Also why have all of the provinces I conquered changed from the cool persian/arabic art to the lame chinese castles? I see that the culture changed to cuman but... I guess I should be able to flip them back to persian if I culture swap? On another note, seljuk will probably own me the next time he catches his breath.
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Jul 13, 2018 06:44
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I got SPQR from Britannia by rebuilding the Byzantines peice by peice after it got destroyed by Jihad
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Jul 13, 2018 10:29
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SnoochtotheNooch posted:Also why have all of the provinces I conquered changed from the cool persian/arabic art to the lame chinese castles? I see that the culture changed to cuman but... I guess I should be able to flip them back to persian if I culture swap? The pointy ones? Those aren't Chinese, they're Altaic.
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Jul 13, 2018 11:06
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God drat, that changes absolutely everything about playing in Italy. Now the empire is going to be harder to form, but there's an easier kingdom, and you don't necessarily have to fight the pope, and the mountains, but they're not that big, so those maybe don't matter so much... It just occurred to me recently that Switzerland doesn't really have any events in CK2 or Europa Universalis to create it, and so all those paradox mega-lps end up without a Switzerland ever. Is there any mod to put them in, or do you have to just kinda play upper Burgundy and act like Burgundian culture is Swiss if you wanna play those cheesemaking bankers?
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Jul 13, 2018 14:57
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Switzerland is a thing in CK2 but only in 1291, I think. Trouble is it's an unplayable vassal republic of the HRE. You're right about there not being a Swiss culture at all though.
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Jul 13, 2018 16:24
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Honky Dong Country posted:You're right about there not being a Swiss culture at all though. Yes, that is the world we live in.
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Jul 13, 2018 21:43
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Is Swiss a culture IRL? I thought it was like four or five cultures crammed into a confederation by pure chance and geography.
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Jul 13, 2018 22:51
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FreudianSlippers posted:Is Swiss a culture IRL? The culture consists of trying to explain it all to foreigners.
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Jul 13, 2018 23:08
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Swiss are mountain Germans.
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Jul 13, 2018 23:19
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e: This isn't the Rimworld thread.
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Jul 13, 2018 23:21
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Walton Simons posted:e: This isn't the Rimworld thread. Try to marry your youngest daughter to the megasloth's youngest son matrilineally, then assassinate the older sloths
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Jul 13, 2018 23:24
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You know, there's a lot of evil things you do in this game but the only thing that consistently makes me feel bad is when you sacrifice the elephants to Kali.
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Jul 13, 2018 23:33
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For me it's the intrigue training event where you stage a necklace theft and frame your cook's wife, and then forget about her for literal years before you jolt awake in the middle of the night and go try to let her out, and iirc she has a chance to have died in there.
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Jul 13, 2018 23:41
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I feel pretty bad about plotting to kill my Slow or Inbred grandchildren. Especially when like everyone in court wants to help me.
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Jul 13, 2018 23:48
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I felt really bad when I chose to have my wife cucked by Satan and she was super psyched about it. I realize this is a cool thing wife but you don't have to be so enthused over sexing up some other guy Somehow everyone knew it wasn't my kid too. I wanted my dynasty spawn of Satan 
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Jul 14, 2018 00:35
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Crow Jane posted:I feel pretty bad about plotting to kill my Slow or Inbred grandchildren. Especially when like everyone in court wants to help me. You might get the kinslayer trait from this, so make sure the reason for having them killed is worth it! I'm not saying kinslayer should 100% always be a dealbreaker but I always make sure the gains are worth that burden. I've got a question though. I'm trying for the Aladdin achievement and am currently playing 769 Jinquan. Not that it's relevant to my question but holy gently caress this isn't an easy start. But being Han I have the intrigue decision (though obviously I don't qualify for it yet) to adopt Chinese Imperialism. The wiki is rather sparse on the details of what that means. What's different about Chinese Imperial government from standard issue Feudalism?
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Honky Dong Country posted:You might get the kinslayer trait from this, so make sure the reason for having them killed is worth it! I'm not saying kinslayer should 100% always be a dealbreaker but I always make sure the gains are worth that burden. I kill them because I don't want to have to play as them, which seems as good a reason as any 
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