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Cybernetic Vermin posted:historical poo poo mostly. microsoft was quicker to drop the mdi model they had as an equivalent though (to some extent no doubt because it was even worse) fun fact: excel in windows has an abomination of a hybrid model and depending on whether you open worksheets via the open dialog within a single excel instance or open them via explorer, behavior will differ and macros that modify data between sheets may or may not work.
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Jul 14, 2018 13:19
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:historical poo poo mostly. microsoft was quicker to drop the mdi model they had as an equivalent though (to some extent no doubt because it was even worse) mdi was definitely better than osx's hosed up menu bar since mdi apps still had parent windows + menu bars that would always be distinct from other applications
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Jul 14, 2018 13:20
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Scott Forstall posted:https://ifixit.org/blog/10279/apple-macbook-keyboard-cover-up/ jfc they’re such bad laptops.
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Jul 14, 2018 15:31
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what if... hear me here... what if.... apple made a thick laptop and called it the big mac? do you think it will sell???
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Jul 14, 2018 18:20
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:what if... hear me here... what if.... apple made a thick laptop and called it the big mac? do you think it will sell??? lomarf
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Jul 14, 2018 18:22
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:what if... hear me here... what if.... apple made a thick laptop and called it the big mac? do you think it will sell??? don’t post about your desire for timb’s “special sauce”
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Jul 14, 2018 18:23
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fart simpson posted:that’s super dumb in one of the developer previews, they removed the dot indicators on the dock by default. you weren't supposed to care whether or not the app process was running, like on iOS. personally i think they should've stuck with it and kept the dots for legacy or long-running network apps like Mail
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Jul 14, 2018 18:45
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the paradigm of an application that can continue to run with a title bar and everything but no open windows is consistently the dumbest poo poo in the mac os interface
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Jul 14, 2018 18:48
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gonna write a windows app that becomes a floating menu bar when you close it. you'll have to use File > Quit to get rid of it.
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Jul 14, 2018 18:55
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Toady posted:in one of the developer previews, they removed the dot indicators on the dock by default. you weren't supposed to care whether or not the app process was running, like on iOS. personally i think they should've stuck with it and kept the dots for legacy or long-running network apps like Mail you can still turn them off in dock preferences
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Jul 14, 2018 18:56
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Fiedler posted:gonna write a windows app that becomes a floating menu bar when you close it. you'll have to use File > Quit to get rid of it. this is every app that minimizes to the tray hth
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Jul 14, 2018 18:57
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carry on then posted:this is every app that minimizes to the tray hth those are hidden by default. try using windows 10.
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Jul 14, 2018 19:05
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fart simpson posted:that’s super dumb this is useful when you close the last open window but still want to create or open up a different document with cmd+n or cmd+o (or through the menu bar). if the app was closed your keyboard shortcuts would be cast off into the void and you would be lost, hopeless, resigned to restarting the app before you're able to once again add meaning and purpose to your life via a Pages document
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Jul 14, 2018 19:14
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windows is way more egregious about this poo poo in win 10 where you'll quit an app and it'll just get tucked away to the little arrow menu in the bottom right, so there's no immediate way to tell if you actually shut down the app or not
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Jul 14, 2018 19:16
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GenJoe posted:windows is way more egregious about this poo poo in win 10 where you'll quit an app and it'll just get tucked away to the little arrow menu in the bottom right, so there's no immediate way to tell if you actually shut down the app or not that is extremely irritating yes and there should be a system-wide setting for you to override that behavior. it's always the awful horseshit apps like discord and slack that do it, too. but conceptually it's very similar to apple's running-app-without-any-windows thing. however, the concept of the little taskbar icons is not bad, since sometimes you do have a background process running that shouldn't be in the main taskbar but for which you need an indicator or whatever. i'm fine with taskbar = running apps with windows, little icons = running apps without. what is really needed is a user-facing distinction between "terminate program" and "send to invisible background process." right now clicking the x or choosing quit may do either one and that's the fundamental irritation
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Jul 14, 2018 19:26
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Sagebrush posted:there should be a system-wide setting for you to override that behavior
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Jul 14, 2018 19:32
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windows: conceptually very similar to apple’s thing, but bad.
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Jul 14, 2018 19:48
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jony neuemonic posted:windows: conceptually very similar to apple’s thing, but bad. nah they're equally stupid, just in different ways.
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Jul 14, 2018 19:49
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the default hidden thing with the notification area is to discourage developers from using the notification area in this way. it turns out that lots of developers, though, are stubborn morons who refuse to upgrade from win7.
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Jul 14, 2018 19:52
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Sagebrush posted:nah they're equally stupid, just in different ways. windows is worse by virtue of being windows
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Jul 14, 2018 19:54
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Sagebrush posted:nah they're equally stupid, just in different ways. qft sometimes I'm not sure which one I hate the most, but then windows installs candy crush again on my parents computer.
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Jul 14, 2018 19:56
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Fiedler posted:gonna write a windows app that becomes a floating menu bar when you close it. you'll have to use File > Quit to get rid of it. McKesson Horizon is like this when you launch it it's just a floating title and menu bar and when you pick poo poo from the menu it launches separate, tiny, floating, detached, titlebar-less windows that you interact with via menus on the floating menu bar that appear and disappear. The first time I did remote support for that poo poo I thought it was a joke.
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Jul 14, 2018 22:55
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Fiedler posted:the default hidden thing with the notification area is to discourage developers from using the notification area in this way. it turns out that lots of developers, though, are stubborn morons who refuse to upgrade from win7. then you failed and you need to do something different. not throw your hands up in the air and/or try to claim it was the correct behavior anyway
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Jul 14, 2018 23:12
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jit bull transpile posted:McKesson Horizon is like this when you launch it it's just a floating title and menu bar and when you pick poo poo from the menu it launches separate, tiny, floating, detached, titlebar-less windows that you interact with via menus on the floating menu bar that appear and disappear. must've just ported an osx app.
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Jul 14, 2018 23:14
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carry on then posted:then you failed and you need to do something different. not throw your hands up in the air and/or try to claim it was the correct behavior anyway no u
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Jul 14, 2018 23:15
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Fiedler posted:must've just ported an osx app. Lol @ the idea of enterprise health care software on Mac OS
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Jul 14, 2018 23:17
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jit bull transpile posted:Lol @ the... software on Mac OS
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Jul 15, 2018 01:27
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lookit all this wandows Stockholm syndrome refugees trying to post hoc justify lovely Microsoft design decisions.
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Jul 15, 2018 02:11
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Chris Knight posted:lookit all this wandows Stockholm syndrome refugees trying to post hoc justify lovely Microsoft design decisions.
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Jul 15, 2018 02:12
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in tyool 2018 windows steals focus constantly this is inexcusable bullshit Microsoft lol
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Jul 15, 2018 02:15
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between every lovely experience you've had with an operating system, the common element was you
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Jul 15, 2018 02:29
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no the common element was Computer
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Jul 15, 2018 02:58
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HAIL eSATA-n posted:Microsoft lol
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Jul 15, 2018 03:31
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this is the thread for the bad hardware with the good operating system you want the thread for the good hardware with the bad operating system
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Jul 15, 2018 06:56
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im looking forward to reports on how badly the hex core mbp throttles itself under an actual workload
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Jul 15, 2018 07:35
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brap posted:im looking forward to reports on how badly the hex core mbp throttles itself under an actual workload
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Jul 15, 2018 07:36
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so loving glad i got this 2015 before they took them off the store...
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Stringent posted:so loving glad i got this 2015 before they took them off the store... 2 of my buddies did the same thing, no shame i have a 2017 rmbp touchbar trashpos and it's "fast" but i have to use a kb (and thus a mouse too) to get anything done with it. if apple came out with a good bluetooth kb with touchbar id maybe be intrigued
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