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Can't wait until the Musk fan club invades this guy's home looking for his child sex basement. "OH HE DOESN'T HAVE A BASEMENT?!?! THAT'S JUST WHAT HE WANTS YOU TO THINK!!"
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Significant public investment in basic research and technology cold have gotten us even further without the compromises required for a commercial venture. As a bonus, there's no need to build a cult of personality or further enrich people with more money than they can spend. Yeah but that was never going to happen, so who cares? Commercial investment was ALWAYS going to be the way forward once the basic science was laid out. Also just  at the idea of gov't doing it right. Let's just forget Apollo 1, Challenger, and Colombia. Also the fact that everyone in this forum knows firsthand how the gov't functions.He's clearly being a dick to that diver for no apparent reason, though. Godholio fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Jul 15, 2018 |
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Government already funds/does a whole lot of science though  It's usually just not that flashy or well-known, even when very successful. But explodey spaceships make for very big news.
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Jul 15, 2018 16:55
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I was gonna say government funding gave us insulin, an affordable treatment that has saved millions of lives but then I forgot about the fuckery going on in the States
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Jul 15, 2018 16:58
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The GOP has tried three or four times in the last two years to kill ARPA-E and other energy initiatives. Not just climate change or green energy poo poo either, we're talking materials science and other assorted infinitely useful tech. The GOP doesn't feel that government should be involved in the research industry at all, as witnessed by them shutting down the HHS databases this week. We are seriously about to enter a scientific dark age.
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Jul 15, 2018 17:00
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Godholio posted:Yeah but that was never going to happen, so who cares? Commercial investment was ALWAYS going to be the way forward once the basic science was laid out. Also just If you’re going to mention those incidents, you should also bring up Spaceship One, the Titanic, Deepwater Horizon...
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FrozenVent posted:If you’re going to mention those incidents, you should also bring up Spaceship One, the Titanic, Deepwater Horizon... Of course you'd bring up the event where every engineer died 
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Jul 15, 2018 17:02
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Doc Hawkins posted:Musk calling that guy a pedo is absolutely childish spite mixed with creepy projection, but boy would that be a new level of milkshake duck if he happened to be right. Yeah I was gonna say the dudes a professional diver and Thailand isn't exactly a weird place for him to setup shop. gently caress Musk.
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Slavic Crime Yacht posted:Of course you'd bring up the event where every engineer died One of the stoker survived. Then he got a job on the Empress of Ireland 
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Slavic Crime Yacht posted:Of course you'd bring up the event where every engineer died Public funding is much more efficient at meeting dead rocket engineer quotas 
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FrozenVent posted:If you’re going to mention those incidents, you should also bring up Spaceship One, the Titanic, Deepwater Horizon... I mean...I went with one government agency and two programs. You spanned a century and multiple companies (but I get your point, and you're not wrong). Nobody's going to do it perfectly, and business has the added "benefit" of financial incentive to cut corners. My point is that government isn't inherently better, safer, or smarter - they cut just as many corners and make equally lovely decisions as we all know. A constant throughout the space age is that the government has funded the early steps then handed bits and pieces off to industry to free up its own resources for follow-on work. They've been doing this since the 50s.
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Some good news, for a change: https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1018339762967629824?s=21 de Leon is a gently caress Trump, legalize pot, Medicare for All progressive. The Dems, incredibly, managed to not gently caress this one up.
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Doc Hawkins posted:Weird. So us Musk-haters are actually being less cynical than you. Yes. Also I don't love the guy at all. See below: Vasudus posted:The GOP has tried three or four times in the last two years to kill ARPA-E and other energy initiatives. Not just climate change or green energy poo poo either, we're talking materials science and other assorted infinitely useful tech.
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Eej posted:I was gonna say government funding gave us insulin, an affordable treatment that has saved millions of lives but then I forgot about the fuckery going on in the States US government research spending is huge, rather than pick out specific examples I'll put in that I've been funded by the US gov to do research before. I'm not even American. They just do that. Lots.
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Hexyflexy posted:US government research spending is huge, rather than pick out specific examples I'll put in that I've been funded by the US gov to do research before. I'm not even American. They used to do it a LOT more.
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FrozenVent posted:Empress of Ireland quote:"If the testimony of both captains were to be believed, the collision happened as both vessels were stationary with their engines stopped,"
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Godholio posted:They used to do it a LOT more. And should do it a lot more again, because leaving it to private industry is loving ignorant "Corporate research" is simply "how cheaply can we do this and still make money, safety and actual advancement be damned"
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Professor Bling posted:And should do it a lot more again, because leaving it to private industry is loving ignorant I can understand how you wouldn't understand if you hadn't had experience of the difference between a government lab (or university) and a commercial lab. There's so much research to do that'll never bring any kind of profit, and without it you'll never get to the bit 50 years down the road where society can cash out.
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Godholio posted:They used to do it a LOT more. This. I can only speak for the biomedical field, but the money is dwindling. Most of the time you hear about a huge increase etc it's either been an inflationary adjustment, or a specifically targeted budget increase towards a singular issue. What money is left is also being split more into public/private ventures (SBIR grants etc) more than in the past. It's often heard that private industry should be taking over their share of research but when drug production is beholden to shareholders you get no long-term R&D into things like antibiotics that are not very profitable compared to many other drugs. So, we get public funded research that private companies take over as public funds run lower and lower and then it gets taken out of an open scientific community and becomes a trade secret. Then poo poo like this happens: http://antibiotics-theperfectstorm.blogspot.com/2016/08/pfizer-and-astrazeneca.html http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2018/07/novartis-drops-antibiotic-development-program Those companies close the antibiotics divisions to make more money on boner pills or whatever and now the public sector is still x years behind the curve research wise because any advances made privately are now locked down.
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Jul 15, 2018 17:27
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Bunch of people sucking on that government teat the hardest saying no one else needs any
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Vasudus posted:The GOP has tried three or four times in the last two years to kill ARPA-E and other energy initiatives. Not just climate change or green energy poo poo either, we're talking materials science and other assorted infinitely useful tech. GOP doesn't even care about private sector research anymore. See: trying to rescue coal despite advances in geothermal, solar, etc. I think the one thing we can all agree on is that nothing is going to change until they're voted out of office.
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Jul 15, 2018 17:33
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I was rooting for Croatia but congrats France I guess
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boop the snoot posted:I was rooting for Croatia but congrats France I guess Good job France, 2 goals worth a poo poo, one bullshit dive setpiece, and one peno. Viva la Croatia
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Air force one now landing in Helsinki, already at least one protest in Helsinki today, with neonazi gang posing with welcome trump sign lmao
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What are Putin's goals? They're that, only biglier
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Anyone ever try asking a Trump fan why Nazis never got behind Reagan/Bush/Dole/Bush/Romney like they have with Donnie?
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Casimir Radon posted:Anyone ever try asking a Trump fan why Nazis never got behind Reagan/Bush/Dole/Bush/Romney like they have with Donnie? He already answered that a year ago, there are very fine people among the nazis.
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Casimir Radon posted:Anyone ever try asking a Trump fan why Nazis never got behind Reagan/Bush/Dole/Bush/Romney like they have with Donnie? Because Nazis are democrats. This is 100% what they will say.
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Vasudus posted:The GOP has tried three or four times in the last two years to kill ARPA-E and other energy initiatives. Not just climate change or green energy poo poo either, we're talking materials science and other assorted infinitely useful tech. Well it's not like America was ever made great by government policies which encouraged the world's top scientific minds to come here.
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The Muskovites really are that dumb. https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/1018578339148201984
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LingcodKilla posted:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1018505513091379200 "Germany made a pipeline deal with Russia. Where they're going to be paying Russia billions and billions of dollars a year for energy, and I say that's not good, that's not fair. You're supposed to be fighting for someone and then that someone gives billions of dollars to the one you're, you know, guarding against. I think it's ridiculous, so I let that be known also this time," Mr. Trump told Glor." Capitalism … bad?
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Vasudus posted:The GOP has tried three or four times in the last two years to kill ARPA-E and other energy initiatives. Not just climate change or green energy poo poo either, we're talking materials science and other assorted infinitely useful tech. There's also 60 years of material on GOP congressmen trying to totally kill FFRDCs in general.
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Jul 15, 2018 20:44
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Hello https://twitter.com/im_PULSE/status/1018533571689099265
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Goodbye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXeMoBPSDk
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Very Nice
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