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I've also houseruled runes to provide extra benefits for making spells permanent, to offset how the spell ends if the runes are disrupted. I think what I went with was waiving the reach to get to advanced duration for spells cast with runes. E: I also have a player who used Mind and rune tattoos to bump up a number of skills permanently to 5, so I'm looking forward to her getting in a fight with a Mage who knows to aim for that. It'll spice things up.
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Jhet posted:Pitfalls. Spellcasting is a lot different in how it's done, but it may not be immediately obvious if you're speed reading through it because you're already familiar with 1e. Other than that, just get used to people trying to fit yantras into everything, and maybe just leave them to do it. It can take up a lot of time figuring out spellcasting pools even when quick, so figure out how your group wants to play and then just roll with that level of pickiness. Maybe your group will be better than I am about the minutiae, and that's cool too. Biggest advice is to use Group Beats because of all the arguments that happened about 15 pages ago. You probably already read them. They work great, I love them. The mages in my game actually grow at a steady pace. Joe Slowboat posted:I've also houseruled runes to provide extra benefits for making spells permanent, to offset how the spell ends if the runes are disrupted. I think what I went with was waiving the reach to get to advanced duration for spells cast with runes. Noted. I'll do some more deep digging into the spellcasting section, which has been my longest 'read this section' portion of the game prep.
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Wikipedia Brown posted:That actually makes sense, but they could still renounce him. Why? Zak S has done nothing wrong. He has broken no laws, committed no crimes, and is an annoying douche that makes great games. Sorry, that's not good enough of a reason to "renounce" someone like we're in maoist china.
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Jul 15, 2018 23:58
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Before anyone engages with the post above me, consider the source.
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Jul 16, 2018 00:02
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Blockhouse posted:Before anyone engages with the post above me, consider the source. I have factually said on multiple occasions that Zak is a toolbox who sucks, but he isn't the monster you idiots claim he is.
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Jul 16, 2018 00:16
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oh for sure buddy
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Mr. Maltose posted:oh for sure buddy Great counter-argument, you've convinced me that Zak is literally a hitlernazi! Quick, we need to get you to the whitehouse, you'll easily be able to convince the president to step down so we can save america!
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Jul 16, 2018 00:24
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That’s not an argument. There’s literally no point with arguing with a stupid rear end in a top hat like you so just gently caress off.
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Jul 16, 2018 00:28
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WiiFitForWindows8 posted:I have factually said on multiple occasions that Zak is a toolbox who sucks, but he isn't the monster you idiots claim he is. Found the Zak S sock puppet thanks for helping lowtax keep the lights on btw
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Jul 16, 2018 00:39
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AnEdgelord posted:Found the Zak S sock puppet I am not Zak S you poo poo-gargling fuckpuppet. Go gently caress your mother and get raped by a horse. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 16, 2018 01:36
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WiiFitForWindows8 posted:I am not Zak S you poo poo-gargling fuckpuppet. Go gently caress your mother and get raped by a horse. c'mon Zak there is no need for that kind of language
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WiiFitForWindows8 posted:I am not Zak S you poo poo-gargling fuckpuppet. Go gently caress your mother and get raped by a horse. whoever you are please dont post like a 2007 youtube video about bad atari games
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Wrestlepig posted:whoever you are please dont post like a 2007 youtube video about bad atari games Man they go hard in the retro community.
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AnEdgelord posted:c'mon Zak there is no need for that kind of language I'll have you know slander is a crime, you fucker. You looking for a legal out? You think my poo poo doesn't sell? You think I'm not loaded with my LotFP royalties? You're loving finished kid, you're about to get screencapped and dropped on twitter so hard your loving head will spin.
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WiiFitForWindows8 posted:I'll have you know slander is a crime, you fucker. You looking for a legal out? You think my poo poo doesn't sell? You think I'm not loaded with my LotFP royalties? You're loving finished kid, you're about to get screencapped and dropped on twitter so hard your loving head will spin. Tbh I think you're overreacting just a bit Zak
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WiiFitForWindows8 posted:I'll have you know slander is a crime, you fucker. You looking for a legal out? You think my poo poo doesn't sell? You think I'm not loaded with my LotFP royalties? You're loving finished kid, you're about to get screencapped and dropped on twitter so hard your loving head will spin. lol
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*Peers closely, trying to decide if the forums are rendering a 2018 registration as 2013, or this is so many layers deep satire that we're in Narnia.*
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Shockeh posted:*Peers closely, trying to decide if the forums are rendering a 2018 registration as 2013, or this is so many layers deep satire that we're in Narnia.* Could just be a long term investment.
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Shockeh posted:*Peers closely, trying to decide if the forums are rendering a 2018 registration as 2013, or this is so many layers deep satire that we're in Narnia.* There is no satire here. Zak is unironically the single most important thing in RPGs today. I literally and factually stuffed the poo poo out of those ballots and voted for Frosbitten and Mutilated fifteen making GBS threads times, and I'm not even
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Don't you have some women to harass about games journalism ethics?
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Aw, it was kinda good until it was overcooked, now I'm just disappointed. 
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I read an article about a book called Charnel House and because I studied the Holocaust in college and heard bad things about current WOD, which I liked in high school I figured I'll go see what goons are saying about it , then I come into this thread and I'm like YIKES
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Frog Act posted:I read an article about a book called Charnel House and because I studied the Holocaust in college and heard bad things about current WOD, which I liked in high school I figured I'll go see what goons are saying about it , then I come into this thread and I'm like YIKES Charnel Houses of Europe: the Shoah is a pretty respectful and well written book. 8/10 worth reading for the average gamer (probably not as impressive for a Holocaust scholar), but there's still some WoD derpiness in there (like interchanging Ukrainian and Russian ethnicities all over the place). Lost_Heretic fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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Frog Act posted:I read an article about a book called Charnel House and because I studied the Holocaust in college and heard bad things about current WOD, which I liked in high school I figured I'll go see what goons are saying about it , then I come into this thread and I'm like YIKES
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Nessus posted:The thing with a lot of White Wolf projects is that the quality and lack of horrible cringe factor depended a lot on who was running that particular show. Charnel Houses of Europe had very good running; Freak Legion, I assume, did not. It did not, dear god did it not, for most of the author's on the book they either never worked with White Wolf again, or went on to write something just as bad or worse.
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Nessus posted:The thing with a lot of White Wolf projects is that the quality and lack of horrible cringe factor depended a lot on who was running that particular show. Charnel Houses of Europe had very good running; Freak Legion, I assume, did not. Freak legion had the savage genitalia merit/power so you decide
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Frog Act posted:I read an article about a book called Charnel House and because I studied the Holocaust in college and heard bad things about current WOD, which I liked in high school I figured I'll go see what goons are saying about it , then I come into this thread and I'm like YIKES I reviewed it here: http://projects.inklesspen.com/fatal-and-friends/monsieurchoc/charnel-houses-of-europe-the-shoah/
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I read Charnel Houses, thought 'wow, this is actually well done and now I never want to read it again and would never use it in a Wraith game I ever ran ever.' Like, I'm honestly glad it exists but it's certainly not something I think we need to revisit. Especially with the less than deft hands currently manning the WW ship. Now, Freak Legion I actually own and it is as every bit the delight you've heard. I like to think that it got stuff out of people's systems so they could work on better things, but as said above most of the writers went on to write worse things aside from maybe Cassada and Rea. I was also going to say Jim Moore, but he wrote Berlin by Night so ha ha no. Brucato worked on it. You're not surprised.
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Is there an equivalent to something like D&D's Dexterity saving throw in CofD, which would allow someone to dodge out of the way of a non-attack effect? The players in my Mage game were fighting against a very fast-moving enemy, and one of them got the clever idea of using Matter to cause some nearby metal to wrap around the target to hold them down. It makes sense that a fast enemy should be able to avoid getting caught in that, but I didn't know how to adjudicate that. Since I didn't want to bog down the game while I dove for the rulebook, I went with a Dex+Athletics roll penalized by Potency, but there's got to be a better solution than that.
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blastron posted:Is there an equivalent to something like D&D's Dexterity saving throw in CofD, which would allow someone to dodge out of the way of a non-attack effect? Unless the mage Aims the spell as a projectile thing, no.
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In that example, it makes literally no sense for it to not be evadable. It's not as if the metal is suddenly appeared around the target to hold them in place.
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The main problems with Shoah lie in that it's difficult to actually bring to the table, it's very selective in what it covers (and fair enough - notably, though, it isn't the sole extent of the 'dark kingdom of wire' but rather just some of the most notable, so presumably every camp and ghetto has a reflection), ignores some of the victims, and, though I disagree with this one, that it gives the Holocaust 'undue weight' compared to other mass slaughters in human history.
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Rubix Squid posted:In that example, it makes literally no sense for it to not be evadable. It's not as if the metal is suddenly appeared around the target to hold them in place. As someone running Mage, I have to agree: the way line of sight spells rely solely on player dice pool to lay on effects is cool, but so far it's made players fight by just unloading direct damage spells with line of sight as fast as they can as a group until the enemy falls over in a way that's frankly boring for everyone. At the same time, I can't do the same with enemy mages because it would just kill PCs fast and in an uninteresting manner. My solution thus far has been to have Awakened opponents roll up with Prime Mage Armor and similar, and then have said opponents fight non-optimally, but Mage absolutely likes magic to be by fiat in a way that makes the number of spellcasting bodies you can field the winning quantity. Experience and magical skill have mattered a lot less than 'there's four of us and we can basically guarantee you take some damage every one of our turns, on a CofD health track.' I don't have a solution to this yet to make things more interesting in combat other than Prime Armor, as noted. E: to be clear, I realize combat isn't the central element of Mage, but my issue is less 'it's not tactical enough' and more 'it's hard to make horrors and Tremere feel like threats when confrontations are intensely binary and I don't want to end the chronicle or make the players feel like everything is hopeless' - my experience with Werewolf is actually very different in this regard because of how much punishment PCs can wade through in a physical sense. Joe Slowboat fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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Is that even with the fact that damage spells need to pre-call how much damage they're going to do before you even roll? That's an aspect I find a lot of people forget about.
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Doubly so- because there's no uncertainty beyond the spell roll which they have a ton of control over. Once they know the withstand they're up against they can take it for granted that a human will die in 7 health levels. Hell, if they just focused on doing 2 HL each, and the enemy isn't regenerating or obviously inhuman, they can pretty reliably kill someone by staring at them consistently for a round. My only houserule on this so far has been to say that aimed damage spells use the enemy's Armor as Witchstand instead of Stamina or what have you, because it encourages throwing spells against Defense which has made magical gunfights more interesting. Also, Prime Armor.
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How many dice are they rolling to be able to do this consistently to every foe, especially after having to take penalties for range and all that? Especially since Withstand eats Potency directly?
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How do people feel about Scion now that the Origins text is out? I didn't back because the first edition was such a mess but I'm considering preordering through backerkit. The idea of having an openly known Urban fantasy setting is appealing, do people think it's worth picking up?
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neaden posted:How do people feel about Scion now that the Origins text is out? I didn't back because the first edition was such a mess but I'm considering preordering through backerkit. The idea of having an openly known Urban fantasy setting is appealing, do people think it's worth picking up? It is extremely good.
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There's also the Prime 2 spell Wards and Signs which provides bonus Withstand against all incoming spells, which when combined with Prime Armor can make it very easy for a Mage to avoid a lot of direct magical damage, which would then require some creativity to get around.
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neaden posted:How do people feel about Scion now that the Origins text is out? I didn't back because the first edition was such a mess but I'm considering preordering through backerkit. The idea of having an openly known Urban fantasy setting is appealing, do people think it's worth picking up? This is like complaining that the paintings on the wall at the 3 star restaurant with a $25 prix fixe tasting menu are bad, though e: The sample characters were also mechanically incorrect which is probably a larger actual problem than "Nessus the picky goon doesn't find these archetypes sufficiently vibrant to satisfy his two-headed rear end"
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