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I like watching speedrun races but among top competitors you can totally see stuff like "oh player x messed up a trick and lost 30 seconds, there's the forfeit!" and yeah I think it's hard to draw and maintain a non-niche crowd that way.
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McFrugal posted:Wasn't there a big fuss a while ago about an attempt to monetize speedrunning? streambig.net
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i think speedrunning as a culture has largely gotten the hell over itself with regards to getting money in it since the ALttP rando guys are offering some (iirc, somewhat large?) cash payout for the next tournament and that seems to have gone down relatively uneventfully. People have mixed feelings on it, as do I, but it's not exactly been met with the same overwhelming tide of scorn that such things have prior.
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:i think speedrunning as a culture has largely gotten the hell over itself with regards to getting money in it since the ALttP rando guys are offering some (iirc, somewhat large?) cash payout for the next tournament and that seems to have gone down relatively uneventfully. People have mixed feelings on it, as do I, but it's not exactly been met with the same overwhelming tide of scorn that such things have prior. Cash for rando has the benefit of not being able to cheat by playing back a video like in that ill fated cash for twilight princess showcase race, big advantage in things seeming less scummy
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i was never against speedgame for moneys but i do remember pie signing an illformed machinima deal with one of the scummiest contracts i've seen in my life. i just don't want to see bright-eyed bushy-tailed kids get reamed by corporate disney
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Jul 15, 2018 22:54
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I never really understood speedrun tournaments either. There's no actual competition between the people involved. You could get the same result by having everyone record 5 runs and randomly choosing which one to play back for each match.  It gets even sillier when it's a game that has dumb RNG elements. Whoops, looks like runner #2 got all three hands in World 8, that's a two minute penalty they had no impact on 
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Zamujasa posted:I never really understood speedrun tournaments either. There's no actual competition between the people involved. You could get the same result by having everyone record 5 runs and randomly choosing which one to play back for each match. Yeah, pretty much. I feel the same way, which is why I didn't enter the Celeste thingy. I've done resetless runs sequentially and from that I can basically infer how I would've done if I had which is "comfortably within the Top 10 thereabouts but not a podium position" which doesn't really impart anything new since that's just...also where I'm ranked on the leaderboard, comfortably in the Top 10 but not better. it feels like a whole lotta fuckin time to commit to not learn anything new, I'd rather just run the game on my own time? Still though, a lot of people do get excited about it and have their interest reinvigorated by the tournament and it has definitely been a boost to the Celeste community, so I'm hard pressed to argue it's a bad thing in that light. It's done nothing but good things, and I guess that's all the reason you really need to run one? People enjoy it, but I don't really think it has much competitive value, if you get my gist. I'm weird and grumpy so I'm content to just let people enjoy themselves but still I will make these observations about the format. the part of this tournament I'm the most interested in is who's going to come out The Tournament Grind with the best PB between the 2nd/3rd/4th/5th place candidates, because they're the up and coming people who could challenge the 1st spot in due time. SuccinctAndPunchy fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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Jul 16, 2018 01:28
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I'm guessing most people run multi-platform games (like Celeste) on PC?
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gmq posted:I'm guessing most people run multi-platform games (like Celeste) on PC? Always PC for speed. on the subject of how much of a boon the tournament has been for the community's general activity:   it warms my heart to see such a sight
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Jul 16, 2018 01:33
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I'm imaging something like SGDQ's Mario 3 race playing out but with cash prizes on the line and that's the kind of disaster I'd tune in to see
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Zamujasa posted:I never really understood speedrun tournaments either. There's no actual competition between the people involved. You could get the same result by having everyone record 5 runs and randomly choosing which one to play back for each match. They could use romhacks with a known fixed seed so all racers got the same "random" elements. Which might also make it easier to spot cheaters. (The joke is that folks have had long arguments over whether the Zelda randomizer should do this.)
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https://www.twitch.tv/SpeedGaming6 Commentating another Celeste race here, this should maybe be more even with any luck. EDIT: OVER. That was fun! I enjoy doing these. SuccinctAndPunchy fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:Always PC for speed. what do you have against mario
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I think part of the fun of a race is the tension that comes from knowing that you've pretty much got one shot at the run so unlike in a run where you're trying to grind out a PB or WR all you have to do is beat the other person, so you're not gonna reset you're just gonna go and hope you bring it this one time.
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Zamujasa posted:I never really understood speedrun tournaments either. There's no actual competition between the people involved. You could get the same result by having everyone record 5 runs and randomly choosing which one to play back for each match. I don't understand this. If I followed this reasoning, I feel like I would have to also dislike a great number of other things. I'd have to dislike a huge number of sports, like running, swimming, gymnastics, skiing, and so on. I'd have to dislike all forms of artistic competition, except maybe musical duels. Maybe I just don't understand it since I lean generally toward enjoying speedrun races. But it really does seem like an alien concept to categorize competitions with the binary "do the participants directly interact in terms of mechanics or physics" and then say that only one of these categories is worthwhile or interesting
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Entertainment is subjective? Lutha Mahtin posted:I don't understand this. If I followed this reasoning, I feel like I would have to also dislike a great number of other things. I'd have to dislike a huge number of sports, like running, swimming, gymnastics, skiing, and so on. I'd have to dislike all forms of artistic competition, except maybe musical duels. The things you listed don't exist in a vacuum. Even if you can't directly influence an opponent, take gymnastics. You can see what the person before you is doing and decide to either go for something more consistent but less impressive, or go for something risky that might pay off. Sports like swimming or running also usually lack random "oops you rolled a 1 on the die, so you get a 2 minute penalty  " bullshit.
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There's no good reason for a speedrunning tournament to be a series of head-to-head matchups, just like it would be really dumb if you organised a running meet that way.
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Zamujasa posted:
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Overwatch Porn posted:what do you have against mario mainly petty stuff like twitter forcing mario speedruns into my face because everyone RTs poo poo from it and I just don't care but am forced to learn about every new skip that ever gets found in Odyssey regardless same general annoyance I have with american politics really but that's at least much easier to filter, but it's less Mario-specific in this case and more that I'm very pleased to see an indie game in the #1 slot. Indie is my jam. On a totally unrelated note, Version 2 of the Silent Hill 3 randomizer released lately that re-enabled this cut high-score and combo system from the game:  also "Invisible Enemies" if you like getting smacked by the invisible pimp hand of God
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I’m watching SGDQ vods and missing hanging with my finesparks. October can’t come fast enough 
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shaved two minutes off my Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon Normal/Veteran Any% PB (god that just rolls off the tongue) for a cool 23:15 ! still 6th place on the leaderboard. still a lot of time to save. biggest step forward would be getting a full deathless run
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Kaubocks posted:shaved two minutes off my Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon Normal/Veteran Any% PB (god that just rolls off the tongue) for a cool 23:15 ! Good work! Bloodstained is a cool run that I'm glad to see decently caught on with a lot of runners.
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Zamujasa posted:I never really understood speedrun tournaments either. There's no actual competition between the people involved. You could get the same result by having everyone record 5 runs and randomly choosing which one to play back for each match. On the other hand, it is rather stupid that the 'professional eSports scene' seems to purposefully exclude speedrunning, the only 'eSport' worth watching.
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Teddybear posted:Im watching SGDQ vods and missing hanging with my finesparks. October cant come fast enough Hey we ever get word on when is gonna get a bigger image, if at all? I know the request was put in but I dunno who's in charge of it or where to bug people about it.Carbon dioxide posted:On the other hand, it is rather stupid that the 'professional eSports scene' seems to purposefully exclude speedrunning, the only 'eSport' worth watching. Entertainment is subjective and all that, but for the most part I'm glad for it. I'd hate to see speedrunning become somebody's job because they need the prize money from the next race or whatever. Speedrunning having just one goal - the fastest time possible - means that competition is fierce but also pretty hard to make into something watchable, since the perfect run only happens once in a blue moon and every single run before then looks exactly the same aside from that one mistake that cost a few seconds. That's partly why races are picking up, because they all look the same so having direct visual references for what a single mistake can do helps people who aren't in the know keep up with what's going on.
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Doc Hawkins posted:They could use romhacks with a known fixed seed so all racers got the same "random" elements. Which might also make it easier to spot cheaters. LttP rando has the same boss rng for the same seed, and has for probably about a year now. Zamujasa posted:The things you listed don't exist in a vacuum. Even if you can't directly influence an opponent, take gymnastics. You can see what the person before you is doing and decide to either go for something more consistent but less impressive, or go for something risky that might pay off. Are you saying that you think this is not allowed in normal speedrun races or something? As far as I can tell, the only times where you aren't allowed to look at what the other person in the race is doing is when it's a rando or a blind race.
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Teddybear posted:Im watching SGDQ vods and missing hanging with my finesparks. October cant come fast enough Good news! ESA starts this week! https://esamarathon.com/schedule
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They're up to 6? I really hope SpeedGaming8 is weird stuff that would only be on The Ocho. Have a weekly show where PJ plays a random game in hopes he breaks it somehow.
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Golbez posted:They're up to 6? I really hope SpeedGaming8 is weird stuff that would only be on The Ocho. Have a weekly show where PJ plays a random game in hopes he breaks it somehow. When will I have speedgaming on my actual TV?
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TeaJay posted:Good news! ESA starts this week! Having a second stream to throw RPGs and other long running games onto is kinda awesome.
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Golbez posted:They're up to 6? I really hope SpeedGaming8 is weird stuff that would only be on The Ocho. Have a weekly show where PJ plays a random game in hopes he breaks it somehow. If it's almost a speedrun, we've got it here!
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my runs got rejected from SRC because i didn't include the file select screen in-game timer in my twitch highlight... ...so i made a new clip with included and now i'm officially on the leaderboard  i'm a speedrunner now got plenty of time to try and knock more time off it before AGDQ submissions roll around 
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Golbez posted:show where PJ plays a random game in hopes he breaks it somehow. This is every time he streams TBH.
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SGDQ highlights video is up. Whoever decided to interleave the pausa pausa pausa and the metroid pedestal skip is a genius
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Jabor posted:There's no good reason for a speedrunning tournament to be a series of head-to-head matchups, just like it would be really dumb if you organised a running meet that way. Right, heats of four, so everyone can watch. Also go Full Track & Field with lots of events and a team-point system.
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Doc Hawkins posted:Right, heats of four, so everyone can watch. I've thrown around this idea in the past but no one with the organizing chops (i have to trick people into trying out anything i ever suggest) has ran with it
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sub-22 curse of the moon normal/veteran any%
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Congrats! I'm planning to start learning this game for the 12 Hour Challenge, it is rad as hell.
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Lynx Winters posted:Congrats! I'm planning to start learning this game for the 12 Hour Challenge, it is rad as hell. I would've learned it for the 12 hour challenge too if it hadn't been scheduled for the middle of ESA again, although I might just do it outside of the "official" 12 hour challenge days because what does it matter really.
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A bunch of pages back I was asking about a SNES classic, both to try my hand at learning to speedrunn a few games (such as LttP or Super Metroid), and also playing a lot of games on there casually that I've never played before. I've just picked one up and I plan to start playing some things on there when I'm done playing a couple of games I've been playing a lot lately. I think I might try playing LttP first and trying some speedrunning with that because I'm in a big Zelda mood lately - I'm playing through Twilight Princess for the first time in many years and I'm planning to replay Breath of the Wild too, albeit casually, but LttP is something I want to do and figure out how to go fast. I do have a couple of questions related to this, if I may: 1) I've often read of the LttP randomiser in this thread and it sounds interesting to try when I get a better feel for the game, plus when I asked about the SNES classic someone mentioned it could be played on there, but I don't really know how to do it. Is it some kind of setting in the game? 2) This is not exactly related to speedrunning but recently I've been streaming a lot of games I've been playing via my PS4 and sometimes PC (even though my PC isn't very good), not many people at all watch me and I'm boring to watch but I still do it, it's more a project to give myself something to aim to do and keep me occupied and try to "succeed" at I guess. I just needed something to keep me positive and going for the goals/achievements on twitch is helping me. As I've been doing this a lot I've been wanting to stream from other systems too, such as my Switch or now the SNES Classic. I've been told there is hardware that can plug in to the console and my PC so it will stream through OBS like I'm streaming on PC. I've heard two names mentioned, Elgato and Avermedia, but they have many products and I'm really not sure which would be best for me. Do any of you use these type of things or have knowledge of them? As this isn't really related to speedrunning maybe there is another thread on SA someone knows that may be better for me to ask in?
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