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porfiria posted:He's saying you should judge works by their prose, not their content.
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Jul 16, 2018 00:17
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I’m a plebeian and I loved Baudolino
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Jul 16, 2018 01:16
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Not even being snide but I have no idea what you are trying to say here He's saying a book having aliens in it doesn't automatically reduce its quality.
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Jul 16, 2018 01:23
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petracore is a girl you pack of hollering goons
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Jul 16, 2018 01:55
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Ccs posted:He's saying a book having aliens in it doesn't automatically reduce its quality. I don't think anyone asserted it does
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Jul 16, 2018 02:13
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Riiight, but there's been assertions that you can tell a book is bad if it has dragons and space ships in it or whatever. I don't care if someone mocks genre fiction. I like seeing stuff picked apart. I think it's dumb to go 'the bad part of science fiction and fantasy is the fact that it's science fiction or fantasy', since how that's categorized basically comes down to 'is there magic? is there speculative technology?' It's good for books to be written well. It's good for books to have depth. Characters should be characters and not just cutouts to push the spectacle along. I really like this thread and I've said so before so idk why BotL is suddenly being hostile to me? BravestOfTheLamps posted:Hah, so you think Kurt Vonnegut is a great author.
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Jul 16, 2018 02:30
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This is the post I was more responding to, for what it's worth. I don't have an argument with Mel, I'm not even arguing the accidental granny-banging thing is not exactly promising. I was just pointing out that accidental mom-banging as a classical tragedy is a thing, so that taking out an absurd detail and going 'haha look at this poo poo' isn't exactly criticism.
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Jul 16, 2018 02:36
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I don't think anyone asserted it does On page 26 of this thread someone said that critics are wasting their time with any books involving "spaceships and laserguns."
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Jul 16, 2018 02:51
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PetraCore posted:I'm not even arguing the accidental granny-banging thing is not exactly promising. I was just pointing out that accidental mom-banging as a classical tragedy is a thing, so that taking out an absurd detail and going 'haha look at this poo poo' isn't exactly criticism. honestly my main prejudice is against this forum and the posters thereon, which includes me
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Jul 16, 2018 03:08
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avshalemon posted:this is a good point tbh and i guess i'm being unfair in immediately writing off an sf/f work written by a man due to the presence of questionable sex stuff, even if my opinion is based on having read a hell of a lot of questionable sf/f sex stuff written by a hell of a lot of men in my short and solitary life 'What if the green skinned sex slave girls were actually the slavers because irresistable pheromones' gently caress offffff.
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Jul 16, 2018 03:24
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PetraCore posted:Naw man I write off a lot of sf/f work written by a man that includes weird sex poo poo. Maybe sometimes it's going to be written well and make a good point and be like, real tragic or philosophical and stuff but usually it's just jerking off and I don't have time for that. As you should. Genre fiction gets away with a lot of creepy, weird poo poo because: * Genre fans have appalling taste, having barely read outside their genre * It gets excused because it's genre, "Oh sure, it had a lot of rape and misogyny, but the ideas were interesting" * I feel there's something like the Geek Social Fallacies going on, where fans think they can't veto the taste of other fans: "Lots of people like it but I'm just not into that whole dragon-loving elf libertarian genre". I once solicited recommendations for crime fiction from a hardcore fan of the genre, and the results were the most ridiculously stupid things I've ever read: full of genius serial killers with exotic MOs, angsty cops that live off cigarettes and coffee, set in weird and illogical locations just for the sake of the location.
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Jul 16, 2018 09:12
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Coming from an uneducated genre-fan all of Eco's books are wonderful. While i think the criticism is not without merit, content tolerance varies a lot, and serious works can have as much wtf, objectionable content as genre. I think the difference is not so great in this, except perhaps in the framing of said content, it can be awful indeed in genre fandom Also for all the mocking of genre in the thread, the lamp's reviews are what grabs my attention. They make me think about what i read in different ways and give a second chance to books i would not approach before.
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Jul 16, 2018 11:36
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and lo the great martyr is once again struck down
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Jul 16, 2018 14:49
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nonathlon posted:I once solicited recommendations for crime fiction from a hardcore fan of the genre, and the results were the most ridiculously stupid things I've ever read: full of genius serial killers with exotic MOs, angsty cops that live off cigarettes and coffee, set in weird and illogical locations just for the sake of the location. I mean this happens in music and film too. As you enjoy something more and more the generic no longer satisfies and you often look towards the more experimental, the more weird, and you excuse the lack of polish or perhaps even praise it due to the unique feel it gives the work.
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Jul 16, 2018 15:33
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I like genre fiction and also literary fiction and especially Baudolino but what I really like is BotL analyses, gimme more
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Jul 16, 2018 21:27
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I've not read any Eco but a lot of my favorite authors cite him as their major inspiration, such as Rhys Hughes. http://rhyshughes.blogspot.com/
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Jul 16, 2018 21:45
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ShinsoBEAM! posted:I mean this happens in music and film too. As you enjoy something more and more the generic no longer satisfies and you often look towards the more experimental, the more weird, and you excuse the lack of polish or perhaps even praise it due to the unique feel it gives the work. "It wasn't well executed but at least it was different." And what happens sometimes if you're lucky is that someone with more talent or prowess scoops that badly executed idea up and uses it as inspiration for something much better.
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Jul 16, 2018 22:44
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Ccs posted:I've not read any Eco but a lot of my favorite authors cite him as their major inspiration, such as Rhys Hughes. http://rhyshughes.blogspot.com/ "I am a writer of Fantasy and Magic Realism who often uses comedy and absurdism to examine philosophical issues. I am known for my original ideas, intricate plots and entertaining wordplay! I write short stories, novellas and novels. To a lesser extent I write poetry and non-fiction. I sometimes say that writing is the only thing I'm good at. I try to make that sound like a joke, but I don't think it is... I really am mediocre at most things, but my passion for writing keeps growing stronger!"
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Jul 16, 2018 22:45
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:"I am a writer of Fantasy and Magic Realism who often uses comedy and absurdism to examine philosophical issues. I am known for my original ideas, intricate plots and entertaining wordplay! I write short stories, novellas and novels. To a lesser extent I write poetry and non-fiction. I sometimes say that writing is the only thing I'm good at. I try to make that sound like a joke, but I don't think it is... I really am mediocre at most things, but my passion for writing keeps growing stronger!" I envy people who are capable of wholly uncritical self celebration
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Jul 16, 2018 23:15
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That thing is every author bio on every vanity press's site.
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Jul 16, 2018 23:23
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:"I am a writer of Fantasy and Magic Realism who often uses comedy and absurdism to examine philosophical issues. I am known for my original ideas, intricate plots and entertaining wordplay! I write short stories, novellas and novels. To a lesser extent I write poetry and non-fiction. I sometimes say that writing is the only thing I'm good at. I try to make that sound like a joke, but I don't think it is... I really am mediocre at most things, but my passion for writing keeps growing stronger!" You sure quoted his author bio there. I think his work is great. What would you expect out of an author bio? "I suck, but please still read my work?"
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Jul 16, 2018 23:43
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Ccs posted:What would you expect out of an author bio? "I suck, but please still read my work?" If the only person you can find to write positively about you is yourself, that should be reason for pause
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Jul 16, 2018 23:44
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for examplequote:I am known for my original ideas, intricate plots and entertaining wordplay! If this were true, he would not have to say so himself
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Jul 16, 2018 23:47
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So his author bio should be quotes of other people saying how he is good? Isn't that what blurbs are for, not author bios?
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Jul 16, 2018 23:48
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Ccs posted:So his author bio should be quotes of other people saying how he is good? Isn't that what blurbs are for, not author bios? most author bios, even when self-written, at least have the sense to not use the first person edit: they also tend to be wholly informative and not laudatory
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Jul 16, 2018 23:52
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My author bio is a drunkenly typed rant where i emphasize that I have nothing against a minority, but must nevertheless share some strong opinions that are commonly held but rarely spoken. The number of typos increases steadily, however, and you sigh in relief as the text becomes illegible. You have been spared.
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Jul 16, 2018 23:55
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:My author bio is a drunkenly typed rant where i emphasize that I have nothing against a minority, but must nevertheless share some strong opinions that are commonly held but rarely spoken. The number of typos increases steadily, however, and you sigh in relief as the text becomes illegible. You have been spared. Lol
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Jul 17, 2018 00:03
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Ccs posted:You sure quoted his author bio there.
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Jul 17, 2018 00:03
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:"I am a writer of Fantasy and Magic Realism who often uses comedy and absurdism to examine philosophical issues. I am known for my original ideas, intricate plots and entertaining wordplay! I write short stories, novellas and novels. To a lesser extent I write poetry and non-fiction. I sometimes say that writing is the only thing I'm good at. I try to make that sound like a joke, but I don't think it is... I really am mediocre at most things, but my passion for writing keeps growing stronger!" Salesmanship is the most important talent an author can have.
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Jul 17, 2018 00:14
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Who reads author bios lmao Read the story they wrote instead
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Jul 17, 2018 00:54
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Rhys Hughes Dot Blogspot Dot Com posted:In fact it is available as two ebooks, because it comes in two different editions, male and female, that differ in 10% of their contents. This is a trick that I picked up from Milorad Pavić, whose Dictionary of the Khazars also comes in male and female editions.
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Jul 17, 2018 01:07
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This guy rules.
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Jul 17, 2018 01:09
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we shouldnt make fun of this guy who says hes only good at one thing and isnt actually good at that thing, its giving me depression
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Jul 17, 2018 01:13
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what's different in the female and male versions, do the boy books have more bazongas
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Jul 17, 2018 01:24
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If you want you can read some of his stories here: http://platinumass.blogspot.com/ If you want to try out one of his books I recommend this one: http://www.tartaruspress.com/hughes-the-smell-of-telescopes.html
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Jul 17, 2018 01:38
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this guy who seems incapable of not writing in the sincere gbs voice is surely a good writer
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Jul 17, 2018 01:48
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quote:The Smell of Telescopes pass
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Jul 17, 2018 01:52
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Ccs posted:If you want you can read some of his stories here: http://platinumass.blogspot.com/ Rhys Hughes posted:She was a dame. She talked like a dame, moved like a dame, smelled like a dame, breathed like a dame, slept like a dame, yawned like a dame, coughed like a dame, dusted like a dame, cooked like a dame, had the metabolism of a dame, knew about as much astrophysics as a dame would, had a selection of hats typical of a dame. She was a dame. extremely hard pass my dude e: Rhys Hughes posted:“Do I look like an Englishman and Scotsman and Irishman? Of course it’s no joke. You are under arrest.” chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jul 17, 2018 |
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Cool, different tastes. Better to dislike an author's work based on his writing than his author bio.
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