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neonbregna
Aug 20, 2007

Evil Robot posted:

I ate a can of mixed vegetables today with an expiration date of 2012. Tasted fine. GWM?

Only if you live in socialized medicine paradise. If not enjoy your bankruptcy proceeding for treatment of a blown rear end gasket

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canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

bob dobbs is dead posted:

Aren't there multiple youtube channels predicated on eating decades old canned and preserved goods

How's ~120 years old for you?
https://youtu.be/jZoHuMwZwTk

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
Yeah, same guy ate civil war hardtack

SiGmA_X
May 3, 2004
SiGmA_X

Ixian posted:

If we're really lucky he'll actually make those claims to the IRS and get slapped with a frivolous argument charge on top of everything else and that is where the IRS really fucks you.

I mean, I don't love paying taxes either but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate a good bit of stupid when I see it.
I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like criminal structuring. There have been other cases where people got hit with prison time over this - not related to bitcoin, but the loan structuring to avoid taxation.

StormDrain posted:

Just open a payday loan company.
Or a buy here pay here car lot! I want to open one... John Oliver really sold me on how good with money they are.

Raere
Dec 13, 2007

Years ago my friend worked for a clothing retailer. She got an extra $1 in her paycheck for every person that applied for the store credit card. So, every week she filled out an application for herself and submitted it. After she got approved she would call and cancel the application. She did this for several months.

She checks her credit score at some point and sees that it’s tanked because of all the hard credit checks.

She knew full well credit checks affected your credit score. But she reasoned that the store cards are “charge cards” not credit cards, it wouldn’t affect her score. They weren’t actually charge cards, but even if they were it would still affect her score.

Make an extra buck a week in return for dropping your credit score by 50 points. BWM.

lampey
Mar 27, 2012

Krispy Wafer posted:

Do you rotate the same set of tires so one vehicle is on blocks in the yard?

I just found out my wife’s Buick has a burnt out headlight. No problem, I can fix that.

It’s a $300 part that requires me to remove the whole bumper. On a loving GM automobile!?!

On a g6 you are supposed to remove the front bumper to change a lightbulb but you can stretch it and get it in there without damaging the bumper or taking it off. Dodge stratus put the battery in the wheel well. Its hard to get in there if you have winter tires.

My aunt's boyfriend leased a Pontiac g6 after totaling her second dodge stratus. MI doesnt do points on a license the same way as other states and she liked to drive fast. I guess she could talk her way out of most speeding tickets, and you need three tickets in two years for 16 plus mph over to lose your license. Even then it is not 100% and many cops will mark it down as 15 over. Totaling a car doesnt count for points in many cases. MI insurance rates are the highest in the country so it doesnt seem that much higher for bad drivers.

At the time she had a 120 mile a day commute including picking up and dropping off the boyfriend. She was sharing her third stratus with her boyfriend so the Pontiac was supposed to stay under 10k miles a year. She totaled it and they decided to share one car. They knew the mileage was way over and they would have to buyout the lease. Iirc she was on the hook for the payments too. The boyfriend would handle the maintenance, oil changes, brakes, changes the tires, took the car in twice for something else and she couldnt use the car for a day or two each time. One day she is driving to work and braking and the car is pulling hard to one side, luckily no one is injured and no significant damage. Took it to the shop and he said the brakes are badly worn and she is arguing they fixed it a couple months ago.

Come to find out the boyfriend was lying about doing maintenance the last two years or so. She could have died. Pretty elaborate lies considering she had to borrow a car or rent one a few times. The car had about 75k miles with at least CV 6 months till the lease is up, never had the tires changed or brakes, the other repairs were a lie, and who knows if he even did the oil. This is a car he spent nearly two hours a day riding in along with her and he knew they would not be able to turn it back in when they are over the lease mileage with two years left. I never found out his reasoning. She confronted him and tried to set him on fire unsuccessfully, he moved out

Wolfy
Jul 13, 2009

Raere posted:

Years ago my friend worked for a clothing retailer. She got an extra $1 in her paycheck for every person that applied for the store credit card. So, every week she filled out an application for herself and submitted it. After she got approved she would call and cancel the application. She did this for several months.

She checks her credit score at some point and sees that it’s tanked because of all the hard credit checks.

She knew full well credit checks affected your credit score. But she reasoned that the store cards are “charge cards” not credit cards, it wouldn’t affect her score. They weren’t actually charge cards, but even if they were it would still affect her score.

Make an extra buck a week in return for dropping your credit score by 50 points. BWM.
Even without the credit check, who the hell would even fill out the form for one loving dollar?

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

Raere posted:

Years ago my friend worked for a clothing retailer. She got an extra $1 in her paycheck for every person that applied for the store credit card. So, every week she filled out an application for herself and submitted it. After she got approved she would call and cancel the application. She did this for several months.

She checks her credit score at some point and sees that it’s tanked because of all the hard credit checks.

She knew full well credit checks affected your credit score. But she reasoned that the store cards are “charge cards” not credit cards, it wouldn’t affect her score. They weren’t actually charge cards, but even if they were it would still affect her score.

Make an extra buck a week in return for dropping your credit score by 50 points. BWM.

Hard inquiries start to fade off your credit score in a couple months and disappear totally in 2 years.

They aren't really bad for your score at all, except in the very short term.

Raere
Dec 13, 2007

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Hard inquiries start to fade off your credit score in a couple months and disappear totally in 2 years.

They aren't really bad for your score at all, except in the very short term.

That’s good to hear. She hasn’t talked about it in a while so it must’ve gotten better.

Trustworthy
Dec 28, 2004

with catte-like thread
upon our prey we steal

Raere posted:

charge cards

Hmph, I genuinely didn't know that charge cards were a real, separate category of cards. I mean, I know how an AmEx-style card works, but in every context I've ever heard the term "charge cards," it's always just been hicks talking about credit cards.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Wolfy posted:

Even without the credit check, who the hell would even fill out the form for one loving dollar?

Someone making minimum wage and barely surviving, presumably.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

lampey posted:

On a g6 you are supposed to remove the front bumper to change a lightbulb but you can stretch it and get it in there without damaging the bumper or taking it off. Dodge stratus put the battery in the wheel well. Its hard to get in there if you have winter tires.

My aunt's boyfriend leased a Pontiac g6 after totaling her second dodge stratus. MI doesnt do points on a license the same way as other states and she liked to drive fast. I guess she could talk her way out of most speeding tickets, and you need three tickets in two years for 16 plus mph over to lose your license. Even then it is not 100% and many cops will mark it down as 15 over. Totaling a car doesnt count for points in many cases. MI insurance rates are the highest in the country so it doesnt seem that much higher for bad drivers.

At the time she had a 120 mile a day commute including picking up and dropping off the boyfriend. She was sharing her third stratus with her boyfriend so the Pontiac was supposed to stay under 10k miles a year. She totaled it and they decided to share one car. They knew the mileage was way over and they would have to buyout the lease. Iirc she was on the hook for the payments too. The boyfriend would handle the maintenance, oil changes, brakes, changes the tires, took the car in twice for something else and she couldnt use the car for a day or two each time. One day she is driving to work and braking and the car is pulling hard to one side, luckily no one is injured and no significant damage. Took it to the shop and he said the brakes are badly worn and she is arguing they fixed it a couple months ago.

Come to find out the boyfriend was lying about doing maintenance the last two years or so. She could have died. Pretty elaborate lies considering she had to borrow a car or rent one a few times. The car had about 75k miles with at least CV 6 months till the lease is up, never had the tires changed or brakes, the other repairs were a lie, and who knows if he even did the oil. This is a car he spent nearly two hours a day riding in along with her and he knew they would not be able to turn it back in when they are over the lease mileage with two years left. I never found out his reasoning. She confronted him and tried to set him on fire unsuccessfully, he moved out

I remember this story from several years ago. It’s definitely one that deserves to be repeated.

Brakes and tires are totally optional like in-cabin air filters.

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter

Wolfy posted:

Even without the credit check, who the hell would even fill out the form for one loving dollar?

I was sure it was some kind of typo like supposed to be $10 or $1 per hour or something.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

lampey posted:

On a g6 you are supposed to remove the front bumper to change a lightbulb but you can stretch it and get it in there without damaging the bumper or taking it off. Dodge stratus put the battery in the wheel well. Its hard to get in there if you have winter tires.

My aunt's boyfriend leased a Pontiac g6 after totaling her second dodge stratus. MI doesnt do points on a license the same way as other states and she liked to drive fast. I guess she could talk her way out of most speeding tickets, and you need three tickets in two years for 16 plus mph over to lose your license. Even then it is not 100% and many cops will mark it down as 15 over. Totaling a car doesnt count for points in many cases. MI insurance rates are the highest in the country so it doesnt seem that much higher for bad drivers.

At the time she had a 120 mile a day commute including picking up and dropping off the boyfriend. She was sharing her third stratus with her boyfriend so the Pontiac was supposed to stay under 10k miles a year. She totaled it and they decided to share one car. They knew the mileage was way over and they would have to buyout the lease. Iirc she was on the hook for the payments too. The boyfriend would handle the maintenance, oil changes, brakes, changes the tires, took the car in twice for something else and she couldnt use the car for a day or two each time. One day she is driving to work and braking and the car is pulling hard to one side, luckily no one is injured and no significant damage. Took it to the shop and he said the brakes are badly worn and she is arguing they fixed it a couple months ago.

Come to find out the boyfriend was lying about doing maintenance the last two years or so. She could have died. Pretty elaborate lies considering she had to borrow a car or rent one a few times. The car had about 75k miles with at least CV 6 months till the lease is up, never had the tires changed or brakes, the other repairs were a lie, and who knows if he even did the oil. This is a car he spent nearly two hours a day riding in along with her and he knew they would not be able to turn it back in when they are over the lease mileage with two years left. I never found out his reasoning. She confronted him and tried to set him on fire unsuccessfully, he moved out

Why was the boyfriend lying about doing the maintenance? Was he just pocketing the cash for himself or was there some kind of brainfuckery in play?

Also was "tried to set him on fire" metaphorical? :stare:

Raere
Dec 13, 2007

StormDrain posted:

I was sure it was some kind of typo like supposed to be $10 or $1 per hour or something.

iirc it was also a tracked metric, so it ever so slightly improved her score or w/e that managers hound retail employees about

Anyway it was very BWM, she would have been better off putting the effort into convincing more actual customers to sign up

SiGmA_X
May 3, 2004
SiGmA_X

Weatherman posted:

Why was the boyfriend lying about doing the maintenance? Was he just pocketing the cash for himself or was there some kind of brainfuckery in play?

Also was "tried to set him on fire" metaphorical? :stare:

If memory serves - yes, and no.

lampey
Mar 27, 2012

Weatherman posted:

Why was the boyfriend lying about doing the maintenance? Was he just pocketing the cash for himself or was there some kind of brainfuckery in play?

Also was "tried to set him on fire" metaphorical? :stare:

I would normally expect drugs or gambling addiction. There weren't any outward signs. Maybe he was just insane. It just doesnt make any sense to lie about doing the maintenance. New cars don't really need that much so it isn't saving much money.

She was understandably upset. Fire alarms went off, he wasn't seriously injured though.

Veni Vidi Ameche!
Nov 2, 2017

by Fluffdaddy

bob dobbs is dead posted:

Aren't there multiple youtube channels predicated on eating decades old canned and preserved goods

There is an extremely obese prepper type on YouTube who open tins of like 100 year old potted chickens, and huge slabs of beef, and eats them. It’s pretty great. Canning is one of my hobbies, so I’ve seen a lot of those videos.

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug

lampey posted:

She confronted him and tried to set him on fire unsuccessfully, he moved out

This is known as "burying the lede" Depressing but typical story about how two people in a relationship can find ways to be complete dickheads to one another: Sad, but routine. Trying to set the other person on fire (successfully or not): Tell us more.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Self immolation protests lose a lot of their effect when you realize the monk is just trying to distract everyone from who ate all the pho.

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe
I've been making changes to my autolending for P2P loans with the new parameter being any loans over $50k. The typical loan on the market is like one I've seen today.

Loan reason: University fees and a holiday
Existing loan: $66k with 4 payments made
New loan: $70450 for 5 years @ 11.99%

Seriously there's so much BWM yet the system grades the loan as an A5 (yay for credit scoring). Seriously they don't even get a pickup truck out of this, they can't afford a holiday and seriously how the gently caress are they going to pay $1566 per month while going to university and being on holiday? They can't afford a loving holiday.

I'm beginning to think all of New Zealand is BWM as I was looking at a chart of debt to GDP. New Zealand households have twice the debt to GDP of the US, and Australia is about 10% worse again. How has the whole country managed to gently caress up this badly when people get free healthcare and have no medical debt?

SpelledBackwards
Jan 7, 2001

I found this image on the Internet, perhaps you've heard of it? It's been around for a while I hear.

When you're not saddled with the possible looming spectre of medical debt, you can open up the floodgates on your credit cards without worrying!

uvar
Jul 25, 2011

Avoid breathing
radioactive dust.
College Slice
House prices that are guaranteed to go up forever and the occasional squandered resource boom, what else are we supposed to do with all that equity? How about...

quote:

Easy way to short S&P 500 - ASX: BBUS (self.AusFinance)

For those interested, if you think the US market is a bubble and will burst soon, you can short the US market with this betashares ETF. Seems a lot easier than opening a CFD account.

...Yep, it's negatively correlated to the S&P 500, so if the S&P 500 falls, it will go up. I've never used this personally, but I might give it a try!

...Just FYI, the downsides are relative high management fees and low liquidity (but I think liquidity will improve if the US market starts to fall)

Sure, the fund has dropped 30% in the past year, but time in the market beats timing the market, right?

SpelledBackwards
Jan 7, 2001

I found this image on the Internet, perhaps you've heard of it? It's been around for a while I hear.

uvar posted:

Sure, the fund has dropped 30% in the past year, but time in the market beats timing the market, right?

So what you're saying is, it's on sale. Just like the Buffett Warren Billionaire would recommend.

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe

uvar posted:

House prices that are guaranteed to go up forever and the occasional squandered resource boom, what else are we supposed to do with all that equity? How about...

Sure, the fund has dropped 30% in the past year, but time in the market beats timing the market, right?

This idea needs more leverage to provide full enjoyment. CFDs are great except when you need to come up with more money.

Nirvikalpa
Aug 20, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Fitzy Fitz posted:

You never, ever, ever pay for your entire graduate degree (unless you're rich or something). Universities fund grad positions, and if you're not being offered funding, you don't go.

Aren't a lot of pre-professional Masters like MBAs almost always without funding? A lot seem like a ripoff though

Suspicious Lump
Mar 11, 2004

Devian666 posted:

I've been making changes to my autolending for P2P loans with the new parameter being any loans over $50k. The typical loan on the market is like one I've seen today.

Loan reason: University fees and a holiday
Existing loan: $66k with 4 payments made
New loan: $70450 for 5 years @ 11.99%

Seriously there's so much BWM yet the system grades the loan as an A5 (yay for credit scoring). Seriously they don't even get a pickup truck out of this, they can't afford a holiday and seriously how the gently caress are they going to pay $1566 per month while going to university and being on holiday? They can't afford a loving holiday.

I'm beginning to think all of New Zealand is BWM as I was looking at a chart of debt to GDP. New Zealand households have twice the debt to GDP of the US, and Australia is about 10% worse again. How has the whole country managed to gently caress up this badly when people get free healthcare and have no medical debt?
What lending platform do you use and is it GWM to lend to people who are bad with BWM? I'm over in Australia (hi cousin!), wonder if it's accessible?

Also I can't really decide if it's morally corrupt to lend people money at higher-than-usually rates (usury?), are we taking advantage of them or are we providing a service? My religious upbringing

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

WithoutTheFezOn posted:

Oddly enough, in parts there really aren’t. Family members are telling me houses in their city frequently sell within 1-3 days, and there are very few places to rent.

That's a BWM problem all its own. Almost all that's been built in Central Iowa for 20 years is McMansions and townhomes. The aging stock of reasonably sized houses hasn't kept up with demand in any way, so anything decent that's sub 2k square foot gets immediate offers from people who've been sitting on savings while renting.

WithoutTheFezOn
Aug 28, 2005
Oh no
Won’t argue that, but I’d guess that’s true pretty much everywhere. Been a long time since I’ve seen or heard of (significant) new construction of <2000 sqft houses anywhere.

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe

Suspicious Lump posted:

What lending platform do you use and is it GWM to lend to people who are bad with BWM? I'm over in Australia (hi cousin!), wonder if it's accessible?

Also I can't really decide if it's morally corrupt to lend people money at higher-than-usually rates (usury?), are we taking advantage of them or are we providing a service? My religious upbringing

It's Harmoney and they have expanded into Australia.

Any moral decisions you'll have to decide for yourself. Not everyone is destroying themselves financially. That said I've help fund a few expensive weddings/house additions etc.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

WithoutTheFezOn posted:

Won’t argue that, but I’d guess that’s true pretty much everywhere. Been a long time since I’ve seen or heard of (significant) new construction of <2000 sqft houses anywhere.
The more expensive the land gets, the less modest sized homes on lots makes sense. If zoning regulations were eased up, you'd probably see a lot more small/medium sized homes being built.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

WithoutTheFezOn posted:

Won’t argue that, but I’d guess that’s true pretty much everywhere. Been a long time since I’ve seen or heard of (significant) new construction of <2000 sqft houses anywhere.

All about that margin for the builders. It's not that much more expensive to build 3k square feet of open concept with minimal quality builder's grade everything, and it'll sell for a premium to people who think they have to have it.

Buying into that is a whole forest of BWM between developer-run HOAs, builders that go out of business just after finishing the neighborhood to avoid warranty work, and shoddy construction and urban planning that's going to make resale terrible for a lot of these places.

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Nap Ghost

Nirvikalpa posted:

Aren't a lot of pre-professional Masters like MBAs almost always without funding? A lot seem like a ripoff though

Your employer should ideally front the money, but yeah an MBA is like the one exception I can think of for paying for a Master’s

Absolutely do not go into debt for one.

Mocking Bird
Aug 17, 2011
Masters of Social Work and Nursing are not often funded or fully funded and can be good investments as they come with licensure privileges

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

Mocking Bird posted:

Masters of Social Work and Nursing are not often funded or fully funded and can be good investments as they come with licensure privileges

Most hospitals will pay for a working nurse to get a MSN though? Agreed that they’re not funded by the school (ie the graduate student will not be paid a stipend to work for the school doing research or TA’ing)

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

Devian666 posted:

It's Harmoney and they have expanded into Australia.

Any moral decisions you'll have to decide for yourself. Not everyone is destroying themselves financially. That said I've help fund a few expensive weddings/house additions etc.

How do they actually verify the income and other financial information of the borrowers? And is there any recourse for lenders if someone defaults? Microfinancing seems like it is ripe with potential for fraud and BWM.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Pre-professional degrees can be an exception, yeah. I think "video game design" probably falls under that category, but there's no way in hell the financial return is worth paying for that degree.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Fitzy Fitz posted:

Pre-professional degrees can be an exception, yeah. I think "video game design" probably falls under that category, but there's no way in hell the financial return is worth paying for that degree.

Choose a job you love and you'll never have to work a day in your life.

Pew pew! Viddea games! Pew!

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time
Bad With Money 2018: A degree in Video Game Design is a pre-professional program.

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DEMAG
Aug 14, 2003

You're it.

Good With Flavor. Those work great for marinating meat.

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