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prototypes have a tendency to take on life so be careful what you hack together and how, imo
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don't u just go to nugget and get the three packages for that then glue them together? sounds like a half hour job tops
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Bloody posted:don't u just go to nugget and get the three packages for that then glue them together? sounds like a half hour job tops i'm a barely literate moron so it might take me as much as two hours
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Jul 14, 2018 06:09
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Krankenstyle posted:prototypes have a tendency to take on life so be careful what you hack together and how, imo corollary: the answer to a proof of concept "investigating whether we could do this" is "yes". no exceptions nobody ever fuckin thinks about "investigating whether we should do this" <insert jeff goldblum here>
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Jul 14, 2018 06:48
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carry on then posted:uh, do you not think mvps are possible in java? that depends entirely on what dependencies you inject via XML in your AbstractFactoryContainer
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Jul 14, 2018 07:13
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LOL Dave Winer and Chuck Shotton insist I must be entirely ignorant of Electron and Node.js because I don’t worship it and I write native code instead of web pages
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eschaton posted:LOL Dave Winer and Chuck Shotton insist I must be entirely ignorant of Electron and Node.js because I don’t worship it and I write native code instead of web pages who and who?
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Jul 14, 2018 09:17
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Ignorance of node is a virtue
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theyre all just different tools for different purposes - just be pragmatic about it. i personally find my work more interesting and productive when when ive got options.Gazpacho posted:Ignorance of node is a virtue thats probably true regardless of my last few posts
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Jul 14, 2018 13:43
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having actually for somewhat tangential reasons (a very decent node library solving a problem, i.e. interacting with a messy web service, i had) done a tiny bit of node i will rather say: knowledge of node is no virtue, to a great extent because the entire thing is incredibly trivial i would never deploy it if it can be avoided, and would sooner quit my job than get into a situation where i deploy and have to actually support a node thing over time, but the fact that it is simple is one good thing i dare say about it
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Jul 14, 2018 14:00
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let me remind you that extremism in the defense of type safety is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of performance is no virtue - barry siliconwater
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Jul 14, 2018 15:37
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so does node have a decent logging library yet? last time I checked they were insisting on not having a general abstraction and so your node service might run or not but you're guaranteed to have zero insight into why i know there's something called Winston which some people like but it's supported by approx 0.01% of the ecosystem
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if you’re node app needs logging it is no longer a prototype
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Sagacity posted:so does node have a decent logging library yet? i see what you did here. nice trick question.
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Jul 14, 2018 18:45
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major props to Java for turning off a generation of people to static typing until better languages came along
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Sagacity posted:so does node have a decent logging library yet? last time I checked they were insisting on not having a general abstraction and so your node service might run or not but you're guaranteed to have zero insight into why https://github.com/strongloop/modern-syslog
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Jul 16, 2018 03:02
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LinYutang posted:major props to Java for turning off a generation of people to static typing until better languages came along what better languages?
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Jul 16, 2018 04:33
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yeah, Dylan predates Java/Oak by many years
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Jul 16, 2018 04:37
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Stringent posted:what better languages? haskell
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Stringent posted:what better languages? c#
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Stringent posted:what better languages? java 8
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carry on then posted:java 8 ok I'll buy that
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Jul 16, 2018 05:51
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Golang and Kotlin are eating Java's lunch wherever it used to be relevant. Nobody except grampas shaking fists as clouds are interested in starting a new project in Java, condolences
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Jul 16, 2018 13:39
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LinYutang posted:Golang and Kotlin are eating Java's lunch wherever it used to be relevant. lol ok
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LinYutang posted:Golang and Kotlin are eating Java's lunch wherever it used to be relevant. i want to frame this
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Jul 16, 2018 14:32
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kotlin is litterrally java and go is a joke
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LinYutang posted:Golang and Kotlin are eating Java's lunch wherever it used to be relevant. they are, in the same way that the toilet eats my lunch
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Jul 16, 2018 14:32
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lol golang. i kinda like it, but no way is it a better language than java. it’s alright at best.
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Jul 16, 2018 14:34
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I’ve seen one company in my native Scandinavian land use go for their backend. their hiring pool has been exhausted when they hired that one candidate that company? it’s called vivino
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Jul 16, 2018 14:48
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Go's eating a few languages' lunches, mostly: - python & ruby for devops folks who want a single binary to be shipped (rather than maintaining scripting environments) and better concurrency control than they have in their language - erlang & elixir folks where the concurrency niche is very similar -- but to me as an Erlang dude, this is like "C++ and Java eating Smalltalks' OO lunch" and welp - node.js for some server-side poo poo where badly-managed goroutines are still much better than callback-based hell, the front-end is not super important, and where promises and other constructs in JS have arrived a bit too late For the most part, I wouldn't expect Go to make a significant dent into any other community's user counts. MononcQc fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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golang? people actually use that poo poo?
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MononcQc posted:- python & ruby for devops folks who want a single binary to be shipped (rather than maintaining scripting environments) and better concurrency control than they have in their language fwiw this is why i kind of like golang: it’s got problems, but i’d much rather be using it than python/ruby/perl and being able to ship a single binary is nice. it’s no c#, but i wouldn’t use that for the things i think go works well for anyway.
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golang is extremely good for devops stuff yeah
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What's the use case for .NET? Some misguided people up the chain watched one too many youtube videos and has sprinkled the suggestion that we do all future linux work in .NET Core, for homogeneity purposes with their front-end internal apps team in a different department. I don't know if they're yanking my chain but I'm plowing ahead with Go. Putting significant time into .NET Core will eventually be met with "Why don't we just develop and run this under Windows? And lets move this data to MS-SQL too!" and then my drinking will develop into full alcoholism.
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MononcQc posted:Go's eating a few languages' lunches, mostly: completely agree w/ think post
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homercles posted:What's the use case for .NET? Some misguided people up the chain watched one too many youtube videos and has sprinkled the suggestion that we do all future linux work in .NET Core, for homogeneity purposes with their front-end internal apps team in a different department. if you're too poor to afford windows .net core lets you make the best of a bad situation.
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homercles posted:What's the use case for .NET? Some misguided people up the chain watched one too many youtube videos and has sprinkled the suggestion that we do all future linux work in .NET Core, for homogeneity purposes with their front-end internal apps team in a different department. lol. nice attempt but the golang bit makes it too obvious. 3/10.
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homercles posted:What's the use case for .NET? Some misguided people up the chain watched one too many youtube videos and has sprinkled the suggestion that we do all future linux work in .NET Core, for homogeneity purposes with their front-end internal apps team in a different department. .NET languages are cool but the ecosystem is a gigantic mess. the entire legacy of .NET development basically went in the toilet when .NET Core came out, so you're limited to the subset of libraries that were specifically designed for or have been updated for .NET Core. also ASP.NET has been redesigned around an IoC container (which they heavily conflate with the concept of dependency injection in general). .NET Core is legitimately cross-platform though, so I don't think there's any risk of it being a slippery slope to Full MS Now unless someone already has that agenda. You can still develop on Windows against .NET Core and run stuff in Linux Docker containers -- that's what I've done for work, and it worked well enough. It's not terrible if you have pre-existing reasons for using C# or another .NET language, but there's nothing that makes .NET worth switching to on its own if you're already using something that does basically the same stuff. I'd still take it over golang.
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more j-blo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZgbKrDEzAs
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