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loquacius posted:Cory Booker really shot himself in the foot with that whole saying-ridiculous-cheesy-poo poo-in-every-speech thing Cory Booker shot himself in the foot for having his first national appearance be chewing out Obama during the 2012 campaign for going after Bain Capital.
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:Hillary isn't going to run. Centrist Dems will probably find some young and moderate Obama-like who gives feel good speeches to coalesce around. they wont. Remember that Obama was the outsider in 2008. The centrists are completely incompetent to the point where they can only win with massive structural advantages and even then they repeatedly gently caress up, see ocasio, deleons endorment for recent examples.
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Jul 16, 2018 15:55
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Hillary will be involved somehow. She may or may not run. Her hubris is a wildcard for this point Booker and Harris are lined up to be the next Obamas, with Harris being Hillary Obama Cop Fusion Gillibrand is a more traditional successor for Hillary, but Obama's third term must happen, as Obama was the best president and mentioning Bill brings up him being a pervert too much, and FDR/kennedy/etc were before Reagan, the jesus of politics that all democrats must worship
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Jul 16, 2018 15:59
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Main Paineframe posted:Hillary probably will run, because she hasn't shown even a single sign that she's learned her lesson or realized that her political career is over I'm pretty Hillary runs when she is pretty sure she is going to win, which I don't think even she believes will be true anymore. But who knows.
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Jul 16, 2018 16:00
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Main Paineframe posted:of course, 2020 is still over two years off We're only 18 months away from Iowa and New Hampshire casting the first votes of the 2020 primaries.
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Jul 16, 2018 16:03
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She'll make noise about running and then when everyone screams NO at her will pass it off as "encouraging the next generation of leaders what of course I'm not running again why would you ever think that"
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Jul 16, 2018 16:06
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Main Paineframe posted:Hillary probably will run, because she hasn't shown even a single sign that she's learned her lesson or realized that her political career is over In about 6 months after her various test-messages have all been rejected, some of her donors will sit her down and have "The Talk" with her, and then she'll support Harris.
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Jul 16, 2018 16:08
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:I'm pretty Hillary runs when she is pretty sure she is going to win, which I don't think even she believes will be true anymore. But who knows. It's Her Turn
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Jul 16, 2018 16:10
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It probably depends on how external her locus of control is. If she's totally convinced herself that Russian disinformation and meddling is the only reason she failed, then I could totally see her running again. I'm just excited that now Dems get the absurd clown car primary this time around. And they're all gonna get shanked by the Maple Marvel.
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Jul 16, 2018 16:15
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Barry Convex posted:another factor is that on most issues where the left has had proven success in moving the Overton window to the left post-2016 (m4a, ICE, etc.), we have the advantage of being able to make easily understood, maximalist demands. russiagate, on the other hand, is an issue where the prevailing liberal narrative (“Soviet Russia engaged in an act of war to install their puppet as US President”) is a lot simpler than anything Klion or anyone else on the concerned-about-Russiagate left can come up with as a response It isn't just a matter of being simpler, being a leftist who is concerned about Russiagate is politically meaningless. There's nothing to propose that isn't happening already.
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Jul 16, 2018 16:20
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Main Paineframe posted:during the Dem majority, plenty of progressive stuff (like card check and a public option) passed the House easily only to die in the Senate at the hands of Blue Dogs
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Jul 16, 2018 16:20
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It isn't just a matter of being simpler, being a leftist who is concerned about Russiagate is politically meaningless. There's nothing to propose that isn't happening already. less hawkish diplomatic responses, some of which Klion has suggested, but I’m not sure how to go about pushing for those
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Jul 16, 2018 16:23
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It's been a while since I've heard anyone say "stop talking about <serious political issue> because you're DISTRACTING FROM THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION which is WHAT PUTIN WANTS" so y'know counting my blessings
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Jul 16, 2018 16:27
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loquacius posted:It's been a while since I've heard anyone say "stop talking about <serious political issue> because you're DISTRACTING FROM THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION which is WHAT PUTIN WANTS" so y'know counting my blessings So you're racist now.
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Jul 16, 2018 16:32
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Jul 16, 2018 16:33
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loquacius posted:It's been a while since I've heard anyone say "stop talking about <serious political issue> because you're DISTRACTING FROM THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION which is WHAT PUTIN WANTS" so y'know counting my blessings did you know that Feinstein is the current ranking Dem member on the Senate Judiciary Committee, and therefore voting for de Leon is equivalent to helping RUSSIA a lot of people on Twitter are informing me of this right now
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Jul 16, 2018 16:42
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Main Paineframe posted:did you know that Feinstein is the current ranking Dem member on the Senate Judiciary Committee, and therefore voting for de Leon is equivalent to helping RUSSIA Well, you see, if she was to be voted out that seat would obviously go to a Republican, duh. That's just how committees work.
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Jul 16, 2018 16:47
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They'll argue with the cold spectre of death and only if mercy exists will they be taken as a response.
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Jul 16, 2018 16:54
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hillary is definitely not going to run
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Jul 16, 2018 16:57
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:hillary is definitely not going to run Counterpoint -- Hillary needs to run in order to finally discredit Clintonism and bring in a thousand years of socialist darkness
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Jul 16, 2018 17:00
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Hillary's not going to run? Then why is she in the news every gawd-damned day? Why is she raising money? Why the gently caress is she traveling the world giving speeches about how awesome she is and how lovely trump is? And when did she give up ownership of the DNC? As far as I can tell she still owns the loving machine.
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Jul 16, 2018 17:08
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Thoguh posted:Well, you see, if she was to be voted out that seat would obviously go to a Republican, duh. That's just how committees work. but you see, her EXPERIENCE and INFLUENCE are irreplaceable and a freshman lawmaker is literally POWERLESS yes, I know it would go to an experienced Dem and that the ranking member slot would be taken by Leahy, who's been ranking member before. when I pointed that out, they just started accusing me of having "empty arguments" over and over
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Jul 16, 2018 17:10
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Itd be funny to see Hillary run but then someone ruins the mood by pointing out the consequences
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Jul 16, 2018 17:10
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Stairmaster posted:Itd be funny to see Hillary run but then someone ruins the mood by pointing out the consequences what's the worst that could happen
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Jul 16, 2018 17:12
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gently caress it. Get hillary on testosterone, estrogen, and androstenedione. Let supermechahillary face off with primary challengers for the chance to be president in 2020.
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Jul 16, 2018 17:13
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spacetoaster posted:gently caress it. Get hillary on testosterone, estrogen, and androstenedione. if Hillary ran as queen ultimate hard rear end who's gonna drive the gop into the sea she prolly would have one, another reason the abuela poo poo was terrible still want Hillary to win tho, maximum suckdem splitting so comrsde Bernie can gulag the dccc
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Jul 16, 2018 17:15
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ThndrShk2k posted:Booker and Harris are lined up to be the next Obamas, with Harris being Hillary Obama Cop Fusion Cory Booker and Hillary doing the fusion dance, and suddenly a cop jumps between them at the last moment, causing Harris to pop out. Pener Kropoopkin posted:It isn't just a matter of being simpler, being a leftist who is concerned about Russiagate is politically meaningless. There's nothing to propose that isn't happening already. Yeah, when I think about Russiagate I just can't really link it to any significant outcomes. I think almost anyone would agree that we should improve our security and I never really see leftists actually wanting to stop the investigation, but people act like you're insane and a ~tankie~ for merely not showing the required level of enthusiasm. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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Jul 16, 2018 17:17
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Is taking money from the dnc/dccc the same as taking corporate money?
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Jul 16, 2018 17:21
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remember when Gillibrand and Booker were hailed as the next Hillary and Obama 
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Jul 16, 2018 17:22
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Matt Zerella posted:remember when Gillibrand and Booker were hailed as the next Hillary and Obama I mean, if you look at their lists of physical descriptors -- "white, blonde, female, politician" and "black, politician, apparently not angry about all that systemic-racism stuff" -- they're pretty much dead-ringers and we all know how much baddems like their adjectives
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Jul 16, 2018 17:24
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lol if you're not excited to suit up for the primaries, the time I spent in the trenches for Sanders forged the poster I am today
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Jul 16, 2018 17:36
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spacetoaster posted:Is taking money from the dnc/dccc the same as taking corporate money? Yes DNC rolls back Obama ban on contributions from federal lobbyists - The Washington Post (Feb. 12, 2016) DNC votes unanimously to no longer accept money from fossil fuel companies – ThinkProgress (Jun. 12, 2018) They took five steps back when no one was looking and one step forward when they suspected people were catching on
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Jul 16, 2018 17:37
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im gonna assume hillary runs again because the assumption is a win-win for me. if she doesnt run, im happy bcasue she is terrible. if she does run, im happy because i get to laugh @ online centrists
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Jul 16, 2018 17:41
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Matt Zerella posted:remember when Gillibrand and Booker were hailed as the next Hillary and Obama I to remember the upcoming 2020 primaries.
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Jul 16, 2018 17:46
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Jul 16, 2018 17:49
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Ytlaya posted:Yeah, when I think about Russiagate I just can't really link it to any significant outcomes. I think almost anyone would agree that we should improve our security and I never really see leftists actually wanting to stop the investigation, but people act like you're insane and a ~tankie~ for merely not showing the required level of enthusiasm. it's being pushed so hard precisely because it doesn't link to any significant outcomes other than making Trump look bad they want to create a sense of crisis to support their "must back sitting Dems no matter what because the GOP is bad" position, but they don't want to take an actual position on any meaningful issues because they're still obsessed with winning over the mythical moderate suburban Republicans, and the Congressional GOP has basically given up on legislative policy-making this term anyway
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Jul 16, 2018 17:50
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https://twitter.com/Mondoweiss/status/1018661502184763393?s=19
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Jul 16, 2018 17:53
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Trying to figure out if this feels more like your favorite '00s alt-punk band putting out a top-40 hit, or finding out that a cool punk kid you used to hang out with found Jesus and lives in the suburbs with a spouse, 3 kids, and a job as a retail manager
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Jul 16, 2018 18:05
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galenanorth posted:Yes Help me understand the fossil fuel thing. Is there a back door, or wordplay, being used here? They take a shitload of money from the house of saud don't they?
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spacetoaster posted:Help me understand the fossil fuel thing. Is there a back door, or wordplay, being used here? They take a shitload of money from the house of saud don't they? 2016 - They remove the ban on contributions from federal lobbyists (5 steps back) 2018 - They ban contributions from a specific type of federal lobbyist (1 step forward)
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