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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The AG is literally the mandated defense attorney for the state. Two of the four cases people were complaining about involved her office acting as the defense attorney for the state of California. good point. her not defending those cases cause people got angry at her would be a tragedy on the level of people not getting representation in criminal cases cause they can't find a lawyer who will take their case.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The AG is literally the mandated defense attorney for the state. Two of the four cases people were complaining about involved her office acting as the defense attorney for the state of California. Condiv not understanding what a state AG is responsible for, and just making baseless accusations trying to show everyone how morally superior he is? Color me shocked.
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Jul 16, 2018 19:42
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Gee if being state AG required her to do a bunch of evil poo poo maybe she shouldn't run for president considering it was a job she willingly signed up for and that speaks badly as to what her values are.
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Jul 16, 2018 19:45
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You guys just don't understand. It's not her fault she couldn't pick what cases she argues or what arguments her offices puts forth. She oversaw 4,000 people! Clearly she had to direct her office to fight to keep non-violent offenders in prison, since that's what the state wanted. Therefore, it's obvious there's nothing to be concerned about with her potentially leading the Executive Branch in a nation with countless racist laws on the books.
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Jul 16, 2018 19:46
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"what about rule of law!!" i sob as obama's DoJ refuses to defend DOMA "this is just like an accused murderer not being able to find legal representation" 
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Jul 16, 2018 19:51
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quote:In 2008, California voters approved Proposition 8, a constitutional amendment essentially banning same-sex marriage in the Golden State. I can't believe kamala harris left california without a defense attorney!! why does no-one care about rule of law?!
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Jul 16, 2018 19:58
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Condiv not understanding what a state AG is responsible for, and just making baseless accusations trying to show everyone how morally superior he is? Color me shocked. "she can't be expected to stop her underlings from committing horrific acts in her name" is a fascinating defensive tack to take, on behalf of someone who wants to be president
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Jul 16, 2018 20:13
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:"she can't be expected to stop her underlings from committing horrific acts in her name" is a fascinating defensive tack to take, on behalf of someone who wants to be president I mean who better to have authority over an agency that's running literal concentration camps?
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Jul 16, 2018 20:48
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Condiv not understanding what a state AG is responsible for, and just making baseless accusations trying to show everyone how morally superior he is? Color me shocked. LOL how are you consistently this dumb?
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HAHAHAHAHAHA not a cop at all, goddamn what a poo poo person I hope she gets shot down in flames when the primaries arrive
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Jul 16, 2018 21:16
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^^^ This is also a good example. A good way to reframe Leon's posts is to think of how you'd respond to someone who made a bunch of posts downplaying negative claims against Trump, even if those specific negative claims actually were false or exaggerated. You'd probably think "I bet this person either likes Trump or at least is opposed to anti-Trump people." Obviously Harris isn't Trump, but the point still stands that their behavior is clear evidence that they are, at the very least, opposed to those who would be opposed to Harris, whether or not that necessarily implies direct support of Harris.Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Leon is doing a pretty good job of making you look like a lunatic here. WampaLord is not particular good at arguing this*, but Leon's reasoning is deeply flawed in a way with actual negative repercussions. For future reference, the best way to know that someone like that Leon poster is a bad actor is by looking at what they choose to focus on. In Harris's case, there are very good reasons to oppose her running for President, and obviously superior candidates exist. Even if someone is making a dumb argument or focusing on one of the weaker arguments against Harris, someone who is actually concerned about outcomes would still center their argument on opposition to Harris, but using one of the more reasonable arguments against her (like her not prosecuting Mnuchin or something). You have to ask yourself "why would someone put so much effort towards defending Harris?" This isn't to say that Leon is pro-Harris, but it does mean that there's some bad/irrational motivation driving their actions (in this case likely "bizarre disproportionate distaste for leftists," since that's usually the case in situations like this). In general, one should always focus not just on whether the things someone is saying are true, but what they choose to focus on and emphasize. It is a very common flaw among liberals to focus on being technically/factually correct, but nothing beyond that. This makes it very easy to target propaganda at such liberals; all you have to do is cherry pick facts that support your position and arguments used by opponents that are wrong. * don't mean to throw you under the bus or anything, but the punishing parents of truant children thing, while still dumb/bad, is kind of blown out of proportion, and there are many better things to focus on Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/joanwalsh/status/1018948806954516480 how dare bernie call out bozos
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/joanwalsh/status/1018948806954516480 If we kiss Bezos' rear end a bit more, maybe he'll single-handedly underwrite the #Resistance!  e: Oh my God this reply: https://twitter.com/LFlanagan/status/1018951245803999235 Majorian fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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Jul 16, 2018 21:55
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Majorian posted:If we kiss Bezos' rear end a bit more, maybe he'll single-handedly underwrite the #Resistance! Managing Director of BELLE Capital USA
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Jul 16, 2018 22:01
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Majorian posted:If we kiss Bezos' rear end a bit more, maybe he'll single-handedly underwrite the #Resistance! @LFlanagan should tell that to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, who, rather than turn from discussing @LFlanagan approved topics for one second, actually and definitively put DACA on the back burner in negotiations with the President who campaigned on removing naturalized citizenship from the Constitution on the false assurance that Republicans would allow an up-or-down vote on it. He advocated putting immigrants on back burner in a book, except instead of wages for the working class, they said "the middle class", echoing moments throughout history where people just have to wait for the purposes of political expediency when they belong to a small enough minority. I wonder why @LFlanagan is so focused on some senator from Vermont when it comes to this issue and not the congressional Democratic Party leadership 
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Jul 16, 2018 22:16
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Her reasoning was that the inmate had been deemed eligible for parole and was being released in 3 months. The inmate was convicted of 2nd degree murder and served 28 years, but never requested the surgery until after their parole was approved. For how many of those 28 years was providing surgery even an option?
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Jul 16, 2018 22:28
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I will never vote for any "mainstream" prosecutor seeking higher office, under any capacity. It's a job for degenerates.
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Jul 16, 2018 22:29
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I will die b4 I vote noted cop Kamala Harris
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/joanwalsh/status/1018948806954516480 She couldn't be more proud of being a pile of poo poo.
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Thank God someone is standing up for the law-abiding citizens of California to ensure that people don't start using decades-long stays in torture facilities to get taxpayer-funded medical care. 
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Her reasoning was that the inmate had been deemed eligible for parole and was being released in 3 months. The inmate was convicted of 2nd degree murder and served 28 years, but never requested the surgery until after their parole was approved. She argued against letting the trans inmate in question stay in a prison matching their gender, you gently caress. Which might have also been a reason the surgery was never requested until after they got parole; getting it, but still being stuck in a prison of the wrong gender, is a great way to be the target of abuse. And rape. And so on. From both the other inmates and the guards. Her being progressive and tolerant in theory but cracking down on the vulnerable when she gets personally involved and putting the screws to them, regardless of your excuses ("it's only three months, so transphobic policy is fine"), is not actually a good look. Never mind that the state should be covering important, and indeed live-saving, if indirectly so, surgery for those who can't afford it, whether or not they're in prison. That said, California had their spot in the presidential primaries moved up a lot, to Super Tuesday I think, so that they could make a bigger impact on choosing the president (since, you know, it is pretty dumb that the largest state, and one of the largest sources of Dem support, was basically meaningless in choosing its candidate), and since Harris is from CA, that might be a big help to her getting the nomination. I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of why the change was made, really. I really hope it doesn't work out that way, because she is a cruel, cruel person, but I'm definitely worried. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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Roland Jones posted:She argued against letting the trans inmate in question stay in a prison matching their gender, you gently caress. Which might have also been a reason the surgery was never requested until after they got parole; getting it, but still being stuck in a prison of the wrong gender, is a great way to be the target of abuse. And rape. And so on. From both the other inmates and the guards. i like how he intentionally pointed out the crime the person was charged with, as if it had anything to do with the discussion at hand
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiGEh7UoMYg i love bernie even more now
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I remember when I thought Harris was cool, then I read about her career for like 5 minutes and noped out.
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Calibanibal posted:I will die b4 I vote noted cop Kamala Harris Me too. But that's because if she loses in the general the ACA is toast.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:As an AG, you don't get to choose your clients and you have to defend the state. lol no they don't. state attorneys general have wide latitude to refuse a case and often do
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:
Everyone else has explained why this was a dumb post but holy poo poo this is such a crazy statement. State AGs literally constantly refuse cases for reasons ranging from 'not a good use of resources' to 'bad politics for me' to 'eh, gently caress it'.
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Calibanibal posted:I will die b4 I vote noted cop Kamala Harris *I will die b4 I vote FOR noted cop Kamala Harris
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Don't forget that many Dems are just GOP who are ok with gay marriage. https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/1018638375971164160
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Condiv posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiGEh7UoMYg Something incredibly tragic would have to happen to him for me not to put BERNIE loving SANDERS in all fields on my 2020 ballot.
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This was missed in today's crazy show. Cop firing from a moving vehicle adjacent to a school. https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1019011266021474306
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:This was missed in today's crazy show. How else are you going to get the attention of the good kids with guns?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:This was missed in today's crazy show. Lmao wtf?? Why... would you not lean out the side? Like this isn’t GTA??? What??????
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Lightning Knight posted:Lmao wtf?? Why... would you not lean out the side? Like this isn’t GTA??? What?????? No cover?
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Lightning Knight posted:Lmao wtf?? Why... would you not lean out the side? Like this isn’t GTA??? What?????? the suspects were armed and shot three dozen times at the police in pursuit, so probably just for cover
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Wouldn't glass affect the trajectory?
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the full video is here by the way: https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/homicides/video-shows-violent-police-pursuit-near-downtown-las-vegas/
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exploded mummy posted:the full video is here by the way: https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/homicides/video-shows-violent-police-pursuit-near-downtown-las-vegas/ I watched the video. That was pretty intense. The officer didn't start firing until the people in the black van started shooting and it's implied from the video that he'd already been shot at previously. He didn't just go GTA out of a total loss of sense. Cops do dumb and bad things all the time. I don't think this was one of those times. It looks bad because of where he ended up, but the officer didn't have control over that.
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theCalamity posted:Wouldn't glass affect the trajectory? Not as much as you might think and especially from inside. Cops generally carry ammunition that goes through automotive windshields (something like Critical Duty or HST). That being said that cop is pretty much deaf now; shooting from inside a car will blow out eardrums.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Not as much as you might think and especially from inside. Cops generally carry ammunition that goes through automotive windshields (something like Critical Duty or HST). Pretty much. His hearing is hosed, though I'm not sure just how hosed with a window open.
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