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Arglebargle III posted:Try to imagine getting so mad about pictures that you get kicked out of town. That's about, what, a quarter of the bans we have around here?
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Jul 17, 2018 13:26
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Arglebargle III posted:Try to imagine getting so mad about pictures that you get kicked out of town. "56k get out" on a whole new level.
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Jul 17, 2018 13:29
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Hot new Islamic meme causing strife in the Roman Empire fandom
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Jul 17, 2018 13:34
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Epicurius posted:There's a story by Macrobius that, when Augustus returned to Rome, a guy presented him with a raven that said "Hail, Augustus, our savior, hero of Actium!", and Augustus paid him a whole bunch of money for it. The guy's partner got upset because the raven trainer ripped him off, so he told Augustus, "Make him show you the other raven." Turns out the guy had a second raven who he had trained to say, "Hail Antony, our savior, hero of Actium!" Augustus just laughed and told him to share the money with his partner. yes but where's the raven that screams "quintilius varrus, give me back my legions!!"?
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Jul 17, 2018 15:12
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Jazerus posted:yes but where's the raven that screams "quintilius varrus, give me back my legions!!"? That's one of Wotan's ravens. It says it, and Wotan just laughs and laughs.
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Jul 17, 2018 16:37
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Milo and POTUS posted:Was there ever a pets in rome post? I'm sure they kept to some degree the typical working animal pets (dogs and cats) and the super rich had some more exotic ones (including the weird guy with lampreys) but I don't know exactly where to find it. I remember coming across a grave inscription that was apparently taken from just outside of rome, that went something like "*insert dog name here*, dog of *insert shopkeeper name here*: He never barked inappropriately, or bit any customer at the storefront. Let he who guarded his master, now guard his master's grave" I'm tearing my hair out trying to remember the name of some roman literary figure who also has a long, random digression on his pet dog, her "excellent qualities," good names for dogs, and the general salutary effect of owning a pet. I remember it being remarkable for how genuinely similar to modern experience his pet ownership was, stuff like how she would jump up for kisses, "could distinguish between friends and strangers," was a great companion on country walks, etc. It ends with him defending the tangent because he (paraphrasing) "wants to preserve for posterity the memory of blahblah, who was surpassing in every canine respect"
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Fuligin posted:I'm tearing my hair out trying to remember the name of some roman literary figure who also has a long, random digression on his pet dog, her "excellent qualities," good names for dogs, and the general salutary effect of owning a pet. I remember it being remarkable for how genuinely similar to modern experience his pet ownership was, stuff like how she would jump up for kisses, "could distinguish between friends and strangers," was a great companion on country walks, etc. It ends with him defending the tangent because he (paraphrasing) "wants to preserve for posterity the memory of blahblah, who was surpassing in every canine respect" Arrian of Nicomedia, the fan of Xenophon quote:I have myself bred up a hound whose eyes are the greyest of the grey; a swift, hardworking, couragious soundfooted dog, in her prime, a match, at any time, for four hares. She is, moreover (for while I am writing, she is still alive), most gentle and affectionate, and never before did any dog have such regard for myself and my friend and fellow sportsman Megillus. For, when not actually coursing, she's never away from one or the other of us. But while I'm at home, she stays within, by my side, accompanies me when I go abroad, follows me to the gymnasium, and, while I'm taking exercise, sits down by me. On my return, she runs before me, often looking back to see whether I had turned anywhere off the road, and as soon as she catches sight of me, shows her joy and keeps trotting on before me. If I'm going out on business, she remains with my friend, and does the same towards him. She's the constant companion of whoever is sick, and if she has not seen either of us, even for just a little while, jumps up repeatedly and barks with joy, as a greeting to us. At mealtime, she pats us first with one foot and then another, to remind her that she is to have her share of food. She also has many tones of speech, more than I ever knew in any other dog, pointing out in her own language, what she wants. Her name was Horme, which can be translated as Dash.
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Jul 18, 2018 04:49
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Fuligin posted:I remember coming across a grave inscription that was apparently taken from just outside of rome, that went something like "*insert dog name here*, dog of *insert shopkeeper name here*: He never barked inappropriately, or bit any customer at the storefront. Let he who guarded his master, now guard his master's grave" ARg I remember reading about that dog I will try to find it Edit I eventually found it by forum searching this thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDh2zGgVZzM&t=322s quote:While I am at home she remains by my side, and accompanies me when I go out, following me to the gymnasium, and, while I am exercising, sits by me. On my return home, she runs in front of me, often looking to see whether I had turned off the road; and as soon as she catches sight of me, shows symptoms of joy, and again, turns and trots in front of me. If I am going out on any government business, she remains with my friend, and treats him exactly the same. If she has not seen either of us for a short time, she jumps up repeatedly by way of greeting, and barks with joy. At meals she pats us, with one foot and the other, to remind us to feed fer. It's from Arrian's Cynegeticus, modelled on Xenophon's Cynegeticus, which should have been like my second guess Everything below that is from other links I surfed before I wised up and realized what I was looking for: https://www.thedodo.com/9-touching-epitaphs-ancient-gr-589550486.html http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/miscellanea/canes/canes.html http://www.isvroma.it/public/pecus/kitchell.pdf https://foundinantiquity.com/2013/11/15/the-melitan-miniature-dog/ https://www.quora.com/How-were-dogs-and-cats-treated-in-Europe-during-the-Roman-empire Martial wrote an epigram to a dog: quote:CIX. ON A PET DOG AND THE PAINTER.
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"An early experiment in steam power was performed by the architect of Hagia Sophia, Anthemios. He had a neighbor, Zenon, a lawyer, who had blocked his view with a structure. Unable to defeat him in court, Anthemios contrived the following. In a part of his basement that was underneath Zenon's house, he built vats and connected their sealed lids to the beams of the floor above. He brought the water inside them to a boil, making the floor shake and causing Zenon to rush out into the street in terror. Zenon was mocked for asking whether others had suffered damage from the earthquake. Anthemios earned the nickname 'Zeus the Thunderer' and 'Poseidon the Earth-Shaker'. These devices found no other use, being merely the 'fine toys' of an inventive mind. Anthemios also used arrays of focused mirrors to send dazzling light into Zenon's house, a trick on which he wrote a treatise, which survives."
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Jul 18, 2018 09:30
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Christ, what an rear end in a top hat
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Jul 18, 2018 13:09
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Seriously. And knowing that massive douche designed the greatest building in Europe.
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Jul 18, 2018 13:38
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Fuligin posted:I remember coming across a grave inscription that was apparently taken from just outside of rome, that went something like "*insert dog name here*, dog of *insert shopkeeper name here*: He never barked inappropriately, or bit any customer at the storefront. Let he who guarded his master, now guard his master's grave" I like to think that life back in those days was not that different from life today. Religions changes, the way politics worked is different, but every day life? Probably much the same. I'll point to cock drawings everywhere as ample evidence of my claim.
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Jul 18, 2018 13:46
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Grand Fromage posted:Seriously. And knowing that massive douche designed the greatest building in Europe. Which building is this?
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Jul 18, 2018 13:49
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Hagia Sophia, as the original post said.
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Jul 18, 2018 13:55
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Truly the spirit of the most inventive minds is best nourished by having a hate boner for some dude
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Jul 18, 2018 15:36
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Depends, sometimes the other guy trolls you so hard you just get angry enough to spit blood and die.
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Jul 18, 2018 15:43
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No Kongmings allowed.
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Jul 18, 2018 16:19
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Grand Fromage posted:By no evidence I mean there's been DNA analysis that turns up no evidence of a connection to Anatolian populations. I mean... pretty sure it is actually not uncommon for at least Southern Italians to have some very old genetic connections to Anatolia. But just in the sense that most Euros around that part of the continent are going to have genetic connections to extremely early human migrations from that direction, and later farmer migrations too. But that isn't anything specific to southern Italy let alone ancient central Italy. Sorry if this is pedantic.
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Jul 19, 2018 03:10
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skasion posted:Hagia Sophia, as the original post said. If it blocked the other guy's view I will just lose it
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Jul 19, 2018 05:45
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Milo and POTUS posted:Was there ever a pets in rome post? I'm sure they kept to some degree the typical working animal pets (dogs and cats) and the super rich had some more exotic ones (including the weird guy with lampreys) but I don't know exactly where to find it. Not rome, but wasn't their a very very minor Greek philosopher who wrote a poem-ode to his magnificent dog? edit: Arrian of Nicomedia, thanks thread CountFosco fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Jul 19, 2018 |
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Jul 19, 2018 18:59
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Grape posted:I mean... pretty sure it is actually not uncommon for at least Southern Italians to have some very old genetic connections to Anatolia. But just in the sense that most Euros around that part of the continent are going to have genetic connections to extremely early human migrations from that direction, and later farmer migrations too. If I recall the DNA evidence is between Nother Italian people's and who ever was on the other side of the Adriatic sea. I've always read that Latins were a sort of proto barbarian group that was likely invited into the region which may have formed some oral basis for their own narrative about Troy.
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Jul 19, 2018 21:05
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I wonder how many rulers that started out good but later became evil, just had neurosyphilis. Big harem of bitches and no condoms.
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Jul 26, 2018 11:26
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ChocNitty posted:I wonder how many rulers that started out good but later became evil, just had neurosyphilis. Big harem of bitches and no condoms. None in the ancient world, syphilis is a new world disease.
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Jul 26, 2018 12:17
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Just blame it on lead instead.
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Jul 26, 2018 14:57
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ChocNitty posted:I wonder how many rulers that started out good but later became evil, just had neurosyphilis. Big harem of bitches and no condoms. well, it wasn't syphilis, but yeah brain illness precedes a lot of cases like that. caligula is the classic example
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Jul 26, 2018 16:24
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Jazerus posted:well, it wasn't syphilis, but yeah brain illness precedes a lot of cases like that. caligula is the classic example When I was listening to the History of Rome podcast, i was left with the impression that Caligula's reign of terror wasn't actually sudden, or right after his illness like people suggests, and was only a convenient event in his life that people would point to: before this = good, after this = bad. From what I understood, it seems like he might have already been crazy but people were just so glad Tiberius was dead, they kind of overlooked it.
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Jul 26, 2018 19:14
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Caligula’s life is not especially well sourced relative to the other Julio-Claudian emperors so its a bit hard to judge his character at any given time. Suetonius accuses him of boasting later that he had attempted to murder Tiberius on Capri, and both Suetonius and Tacitus implicate him in Tiberius’ eventual death; but since both men were so little liked and both authors possessed of so much hindsight, it’s hard to say how unfavorably they mean that to reflect on Caligula’s early life. Nonetheless, they broadly agree that Caligula’s reign was at first (37-38) marked by passionate popular acclaim and that it wasn’t until late 38 or 39 that Caligula began knocking people off to get their money and running into serious problems with the Senate. Then in 40-41 he started pushing the self-deification thing.
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Jul 26, 2018 19:31
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skasion posted:Caligula’s life is not especially well sourced relative to the other Julio-Claudian emperors so its a bit hard to judge his character at any given time. Suetonius accuses him of boasting later that he had attempted to murder Tiberius on Capri, and both Suetonius and Tacitus implicate him in Tiberius’ eventual death; but since both men were so little liked and both authors possessed of so much hindsight, it’s hard to say how unfavorably they mean that to reflect on Caligula’s early life. Nonetheless, they broadly agree that Caligula’s reign was at first (37-38) marked by passionate popular acclaim and that it wasn’t until late 38 or 39 that Caligula began knocking people off to get their money and running into serious problems with the Senate. Then in 40-41 he started pushing the self-deification thing. How unpopular can you be if you're the guy after Tiberius and are rumored to have killed him?
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One of the cruel ironies of the bad emperors who everybody hates is that after you kill them, you're a guy who just murdered the emperor, and everybody hates you too, especially all the people in power who don't like setting precedent.
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Jul 26, 2018 21:13
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Dalael posted:I like to think that life back in those days was not that different from life today. Religions changes, the way politics worked is different, but every day life? Probably much the same. People are the same, life in historical times can sometimes be radically different, but people are people. We talked about it before, but the reason I have such an interest in Rome is the sheer amount of humanizing evidence we have from them. The vindolanda tablets are so relatable it is shocking the first time you read them. My favorite is the one from a mother sending her son extra socks because she is worried he will be cold in the far north. http://vindolanda.csad.ox.ac.uk/4DL...isplayEnglish=1
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WoodrowSkillson posted:My favorite is the one from a mother sending her son extra socks because she is worried he will be cold in the far north. 
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Jul 26, 2018 22:22
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The Vindolanda tablets are awesome, and also where I learned about the barely legible copy that is Roman cursive 
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How was fish prepared/cooken/eaten in Roman/ancient times? I listened to the Parable of the Feeding of the Multitudes yesterday and it occurred to me that they probably didn't fry them up like we do.
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Jul 30, 2018 10:28
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Apicius provides a couple fried fish recipes, and a lot of boiled or broiled fish recipes. A number of them recommend you cook in oil and broth, usually with wine or vinegar.
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Jul 30, 2018 12:32
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gradenko_2000 posted:How was fish prepared/cooken/eaten in Roman/ancient times? I listened to the Parable of the Feeding of the Multitudes yesterday and it occurred to me that they probably didn't fry them up like we do. Most translations of Luke 24 42 describe a piece of fish eaten by Jesus as broiled/roasted. The greek word is ὀπτοῦ, apparently. When Jesus comes back from the dead in John, he cooks his disciples a fish breakfast over a charcoal fire. They roast a fish in Tobit, don't know what the original word used was.
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Jul 30, 2018 13:17
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I wonder how early batter was invented.
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Jul 30, 2018 18:33
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feedmegin posted:I wonder how early batter was invented. I know chips aren't coming until much later, but if I could get some malt vinegar, please.
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I wish someone would make a documentary about Elagabalus. I know his rein was short and he didnt accomplish much as far as politics or military, but he was so hosed up and weird that it would still be entertaining.
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ChocNitty posted:I wish someone would make a documentary about Elagabalus. I know his rein was short and he didnt accomplish much as far as politics or military, but he was so hosed up and weird that it would still be entertaining. Neil Gaiman did a short graphic novel about him. It was kinda meh, okay. Didn't really capture how sad of a character that poor weird kid was. But yeah, he deserves his own doc. It would just be tough to do it in a way that didn't make trans people look bad.
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