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SlothfulCobra posted:The best part of those old wrong theories is that they're rarely totally wrong, because even incorrect models can be correct enough to give out good enough answers for their intended purposes. They're wrong, sure, but there's varying degrees of wrong. Yeah even ancient societies that though the sun revolved around the earth still had otherwise pretty accurate tracking of stars and planets. Hell it was only from examination of those records that people eventually realized that the only thing that didn't fit the model was the sun/earth relationship itself.
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Ive just made the mistake of going into the paradox forums and reading the autism posted there. Basically a bunch of morons espousing propaganda for the country/group of cities they want to play as. I might understand this poo poo in the context of a big MP game with tons of people trying to turn opinion against another group, but these games are for the most part single player focused. I’m reminded of some very cringy adults rping with plushies.
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^^^^ nationalism.txtDrSunshine posted:
I found a cite: https://amp.theguardian.com/theguardian/2011/jan/26/genghis-khan-eco-warrior It doesn't read like it would make a huge difference.
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So when do we get the coming Hoi4/EU4/CK2 DLCs? Any guesses? I suspect October/November.
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Alikchi posted:So when do we get the coming Hoi4/EU4/CK2 DLCs? Any guesses? I suspect October/November. My guess for CK2 is September. Seven months is a pretty common point from first dev diary to release, and the first CK2 diary for this dlc came out at the end of January.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Yeah even ancient societies that though the sun revolved around the earth still had otherwise pretty accurate tracking of stars and planets. Hell it was only from examination of those records that people eventually realized that the only thing that didn't fit the model was the sun/earth relationship itself. Steel, rifling and many other things were well known before industrialization, but it took the ability to mass produce steel and fabricate it in a big way, to say, make large rifled cannons or modern turreted armored warships, even though many of these things could exist beforehand. Technology is a very multifaceted thing.
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Alikchi posted:So when do we get the coming Hoi4/EU4/CK2 DLCs? Any guesses? I suspect October/November. They occasionally enjoy releasing HOI DLCs on historic dates but December 7th is a bit far out. I'll say maybe late October for that one.
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Drone posted:They occasionally enjoy releasing HOI DLCs on historic dates but December 7th is a bit far out. I'll say maybe late October for that one. They could drop one on August 6th or 9th.
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I really appreciate all the input so far on this mod, wanting to make sure it finds that fine line between fun and realism. I am really glad to see all the discussion and interest that has been generated. Here are the updated Trade Goods list. Blank cells are simply cells I haven't been able to find info on/haven't come up with anything yet.  Thoughts/suggestions? Also, I setup a subreddit like all the cool mods have and posted my first "dev diary". I will probably keep most updates over there, but I hope I can still turn to here on occassion because, let's face it, goons are actually pretty cool (except for when they aren't) and comments on reddit are just the worst. But it makes a good platform for something like this. Reveilled posted:If you've got any interest in reading about the practicalities of a post-apocalyptic world, I'd recommend The Knowledge by Lewis Dartnell as a really interesting book on the topic. It's a sort of pop-science book that goes through the basics of what you'd need to restart society--basic chemistry and metallurgy, medicine and electricity. Thank you for this recommendation. I'm going to put a hold on it at the library and will pick it up soon.
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ExtraNoise posted:I hope I can still turn to here on occassion because  I would like to follow your mod but I sure aint going to reddit to do so.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:
I will still post here, don't worry. I just don't plan on taking over this thread with every little update or massive dev diary style post, that's all. 
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Finally wrapped up the edited map tonight (turns out it still needs some more editing), and now I've begun laying down the rivers. Here's a full-scale shot from my working file: Once the rivers are done, it will be time to start adding cities/provinces.
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Wait, I am confused. Is your mod just going to take place in the Pacific Northwest? That's a really big/high detail map for just one corner of a map of the entire North American region.
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Jul 22, 2018 14:07
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DrSunshine posted:Wait, I am confused. Is your mod just going to take place in the Pacific Northwest? That's a really big/high detail map for just one corner of a map of the entire North American region. The map is enormous. There is a lot of detail. Edit: This is the entire map at 15%: 
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Jul 22, 2018 16:24
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 Yesss get in time to lead random places in America I've visited to continental dominance
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Jul 22, 2018 16:34
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I hope there will be city of Twin Peaks.
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DrSunshine posted:Wait, I am confused. Is your mod just going to take place in the Pacific Northwest? That's a really big/high detail map for just one corner of a map of the entire North American region. I mean, have you seen the imperator map? It's not quite the same level of detail but it's still pretty detailed and covering an area twice as large.
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Alikchi posted:So when do we get the coming Hoi4/EU4/CK2 DLCs? Any guesses? I suspect October/November. Eu4 is Soon and probably would've dropped by now if it wasn't for summer, I think HoI4 was due to be in 2019 at some point? So probably p late.
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I really want Dharma to get surprise released like 1 week after they all come back from their summer holidays. It would be great and I think they did this with one of the CK2 DLCs?
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Surprised nobody posted these: 
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Holy poo poo. Just for comparison, I think there were less than 10 provinces in the Italian peninsula in EU:R.
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Holy gently caress. I guess they must have improved the engine a bunch in order to cope with such a dense map. And the grey parts are wasteland, right? Not simply waiting to be filled out with even more provinces?
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how the gently caress are you supposed to manage all that just clicking out provinces for a peace would be a chore
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Chalks posted:
I think they're mostly uninhabitable terrain but I don't know for sure if more provinces are coming.
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Yeah they look like impassable regions. Looks like they're all deserts or large mountain ranges or jungles.
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Dev diary: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/imperator-development-diary-9-23rd-of-july-2018.1111789/ Thoughts: Aggressive Expansion is a little hard to read, but not to such a degree that I've ever felt it was a problem. And I very, very much like the fact that it can vary wildly country to country depending on what you're doing and what they care about. I definitely would not like to sacrifice the latter in the hope of solving the former. Unless all we're talking about here is a little topbar number telling you what your highest AE with any country is. Or "average (highest)". That could work? Also: yay! Defensive leagues! And all this impassable terrain makes me hard: e: loving lol, a 7000 province budget and India still gets shafted. 
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Put China in you cowards
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Every province has stellaris-type tile management 
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Even finding names for all those provinces must be a huge ballache.
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Autonomous Monster posted:
I think the map gloms provinces with the same resource together and make them look like extra big provinces.
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Trogdos! posted:Every province has stellaris-type tile management Not even stellaris has stellaris type tile management
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Chalks posted:Holy gently caress. Some of it may be, some of it may just might not be filled in yet. There was much more "wasteland" the last time we saw the map. I'm guessing even more provinces will be added in parts of it. Particularly, it doesn't make sense for there to be light gray wasteland in eastern europe followed by terra incognita. Maybe some of that will be filled in? NoNotTheMindProbe posted:I think the map gloms provinces with the same resource together and make them look like extra big provinces. Every resource label is a single province. There are several spots where you can see multiple of the same resource labeled next to each other, like the clump of horses along the Indus. edit: Then again, there are some large, oddly shaped spots with one label like the grain in Mesopotamia, so I dunno. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Jul 23, 2018 |
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Some of it may be, some of it may just might not be filled in yet. There was much more "wasteland" the last time we saw the map. I'm guessing even more provinces will be added in parts of it. Particularly, it doesn't make sense for there to be light gray wasteland in eastern europe followed by terra incognita. Maybe some of that will be filled in? https://twitter.com/producerjohan/status/1020736241573285888 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hg9MOFMZBM
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Some of it may be, some of it may just might not be filled in yet. There was much more "wasteland" the last time we saw the map. I'm guessing even more provinces will be added in parts of it. Particularly, it doesn't make sense for there to be light gray wasteland in eastern europe followed by terra incognita. Maybe some of that will be filled in? Giant blob of fish in the Netherlands looks way wrong to be a single province imo
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Surprised nobody posted these:  I'm India, notable for being far less densely populated than Europe at this time period. Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I mean, have you seen the imperator map? It's not quite the same level of detail but it's still pretty detailed and covering an area twice as large. I had forgotten about how insane it is. All I can say is good luck, ExtraNoise. Doing a single-person mod in CK2 was hard enough, and maddening with all the provinces. I don't know how someone can do a mod for I:R without just getting completely dissuaded by how immense these maps are supposed to be.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Then again, there are some large, oddly shaped spots with one label like the grain in Mesopotamia, so I dunno. RabidWeasel posted:Giant blob of fish in the Netherlands looks way wrong to be a single province imo Check out that big blob of grain in the Egyptian delta. It's got enclaves. Has to be agglomerated. Also: was the western desert really populated enough to justify all those provinces?
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Kinda seems like there's a weirdly large amount of wasteland, especially east of Turkey. Also yeah lol at India looking like it's getting shafted but honestly these days it would be weird if there was a Paradox game that wasn't highly Eurocentric.
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Jul 23, 2018 14:42
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It’s called Imperator: Rome how shocked can you genuinely be that Europe is the main focus.
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Fellblade posted:It’s called Imperator: Rome how shocked can you genuinely be that Europe is the main focus. This is the same "Name" fallacy that comes up again and again in Paradox's forums. Crusader Kings is not just about being a crusader king, and in fact some of the most fun gameplay is in the other 75% of the map.
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