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jivjov posted:They are new X-Wings and TIE Fighters that we haven't seen before. Before The Force Awakens, where had we seen T-70s and Special Forces TIEs? You misunderstood my post. Seeing a new variant of X-Wing is significantly less cool than seeing an entirely new genus of spaceship. Seeing a new kind of TIE Fighter owns if and only if it has a different silhouette. Thus: TIE Bombers showing up for the first time was sick as hell, but the two-seater that Poe and Finn escaped on was not new enough to be exciting.
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Bongo Bill posted:You misunderstood my post. Seeing a new variant of X-Wing is significantly less cool than seeing an entirely new genus of spaceship. I liked that one and it loving up the hangar but I have no strong feelings at all about the different x-wings and ties beyond that. They're the same things, which are still cool looking.
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Jul 19, 2018 00:45
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The new X-Wings actually look worse than the classic ones. They're ugly.
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Jul 19, 2018 01:19
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I'm just annoyed that the First Order TIEs have an inverted color scheme compared to the originals. It doesn't make sense on so many levels - inverted color scheme implies they're the opposite, but the First Order is deliberately trying to be a continuation of the Empire, so why would they change the colors? And the black sections on the TIE are meant to be solar panels, so it's extra stupid to have them in any color but black! And the original trilogy gave us four different styles of TIE that were visually distinct while still sharing the same basic design, so it just feels extra-lazy that we just got a palette swap for the sequels.
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Jul 19, 2018 04:54
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Tie fighters evolved into bombers and interceptors on screen, then sequels regressed the entire visual evolution. Even the first star wars hinted at a faster, more efficient tie with vader’s fighter.
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Jul 19, 2018 11:40
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The TFA ships are designed to look exactly the same to people who don't read visual dictionaries, and just different enough to convince the people who read visual dictionaries that they're new and interesting.
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Jul 19, 2018 16:33
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It doesn't seem like a big deal either way. I have a hard time imagining it either diminishes or improves anyone's lack of/enjoyment of the movie.
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Jul 19, 2018 18:55
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General Battuta posted:The TFA ships are designed to look exactly the same to people who don't read visual dictionaries, and just different enough to convince the people who read visual dictionaries that they're new and interesting. Why don't you actually look at the ships on screen with your eyeballs? You don't need a supplementary book to see the differences between the OT and ST X-Wings.
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Jul 19, 2018 18:59
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jivjov posted:Why don't you actually look at the ships on screen with your eyeballs? You don't need a supplementary book to see the differences between the OT and ST X-Wings. Which is presumably why they didn't say you needed one. The point is that they made sure to limit the differences to things that would only matter to people who care about the fine details as part of a general theme of doing more to appeal to nostalgia than novelty.
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Jul 19, 2018 19:06
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jivjov posted:Why don't you actually look at the ships on screen with your eyeballs? You don't need a supplementary book to see the differences between the OT and ST X-Wings. Maybe someone else wouldn't, but I didn't realize they were different designs until it was pointed out to me.
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jivjov posted:Why don't you actually look at the ships on screen with your eyeballs? You don't need a supplementary book to see the differences between the OT and ST X-Wings. This is pedantry. I know that you stake your reputation on defending absolutely every aspect of Star Wars on some EU errata, but for the average viewer, or even those of us who consider ourselves fairly close to the material, it is a distinction without a difference. In terms of artwork, the sequels are simply derivative, and deliberately so. You might not take issue with that, but it’s true.
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Jul 19, 2018 20:18
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Seems like sequels are by definition a derivative of their source.
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Strictly from an art and design perspective, the prequels can be described as being less derivative of the original films than the sequels. This shouldn’t be controversial. Whether it increases your enjoyment of the film is obviously up to you. The design decisions for the sequels are interpreted by me as being on the whole quite cynical, and unimaginative. Virtually nothing about the art or design of the sequels surprised or delighted me. It’s obviously subjective how you’ll respond to it. Whether or not this is a majority or minority opinion is of no interest to me.
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Also all Aliens have been replaced except the token dude who says one line to Po. Where are all the crazy species from the previous movies and from the EU? Give me some Verpine technicians dammit.
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oh hey https://twitter.com/StarWarsNewsNet/status/1020031890500096000
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Jul 19, 2018 20:51
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Really love how the characters look with their Episode 3 designs.
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Jul 19, 2018 20:56
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Interesting that the animation budget seems to be close to the show's previous levels, what with Obi-Wan's flowing robe and Anakin's long hair.
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Probably helps that this is a 12 episode run instead of a longer season like 1-5
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jivjov posted:Why don't you actually look at the ships on screen with your eyeballs? You don't need a supplementary book to see the differences between the OT and ST X-Wings. The only thing that ever stood out to me while watching the movies was that the that the new X-Wings have split engines instead of four whole ones, and the problem there is that it looks really ugly compared to the OT design.
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Jul 19, 2018 22:01
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I really hope the Republic win the Clone Wars.
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Episode X-XII should go for a Warring States way instead of New New Republic. All these smaller states fighting each other for control.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Episode X-XII should go for a Warring States way instead of New New Republic. All these smaller states fighting each other for control. drat. Now you got me thinking about an alternate Episode VII that was Star Wars but Ran. Luke is gonna retire and hand down the Jedi Order to one of his kids and all hell breaks loose.
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Detective No. 27 posted:drat. Now you got me thinking about an alternate Episode VII that was Star Wars but Ran. Luke is gonna retire and hand down the Jedi Order to one of his kids and all hell breaks loose. Goddamn that would have been so loving good. George might have liked the idea: he did throw money at Kurosawa so he could make Kagemusha.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Episode X-XII should go for a Warring States way instead of New New Republic. All these smaller states fighting each other for control. That would actually be both good and not like Episode IV-VI, so it definitely won't happen.
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Angry Salami posted:I'm just annoyed that the First Order TIEs have an inverted color scheme compared to the originals. It doesn't make sense on so many levels - inverted color scheme implies they're the opposite, but the First Order is deliberately trying to be a continuation of the Empire, so why would they change the colors? And the black sections on the TIE are meant to be solar panels, so it's extra stupid to have them in any color but black! For me the thing that doesn't make sense about the FO TIEs is that they have a seat facing backward.. That operates the forward firing weapons. The design makes no goddamn sense.
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SolarFire2 posted:For me the thing that doesn't make sense about the FO TIEs is that they have a seat facing backward.. That operates the forward firing weapons. The design makes no goddamn sense. The gunnery seat controls a turret; its got a 360 degree firing arc; other than where it would fire through the wings, obviously.
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SolarFire2 posted:For me the thing that doesn't make sense about the FO TIEs is that they have a seat facing backward.. That operates the forward firing weapons. The design makes no goddamn sense. Fairly certain the T-47 was the same way
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haha what e: hey gang, w--we heard some of you aren't into the New Star Wars! that's okay! remember that TV show you liked so much? h--how about more of it??? Harime Nui fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Jul 20, 2018 |
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Harime Nui posted:haha what You know Clone Wars is in the same continuity as the Sequel Trilogy, right?
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I don't know what's real anymore. I just want a comic that shows the Sheevmobile.
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They also did not manage to finish all episodes of the show when Disney bought Lucasfilm.
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jivjov posted:You know Clone Wars is in the same continuity as the Sequel Trilogy, right? Stop being so smug about these terrible new movies you dummy
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Harime Nui posted:I don't know what's real anymore. I just want a comic that shows the Sheevmobile. The Lando comic from a few years ago was about him stealing Sheev's favorite space yaucht.
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jivjov posted:You know Clone Wars is in the same continuity as the Sequel Trilogy, right? what does that have to do with anything
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jivjov posted:The gunnery seat controls a turret; its got a 360 degree firing arc; other than where it would fire through the wings, obviously. lmao This is what jivjov actually believes. Like genuinely, given how much fighters in star wars are shown to be able to gimbal their fixed guns, what the hell difference does putting a turret in the worst possible spot on a TIE fighter make other than the ability to shoot backwards and below you? Because 360 degree arc!!!* *except where wings are in the way is some serious marketing spiel on a ship shaped like an H. It's a 30-degree band along the meridian of the bottom hemisphere at very best. Why is the turret not mounted on the outside of one the wings, where it would actually make a meaningful difference in terms of covering a massive blind spot, and have an actually unrestricted field of fire? Are we meant to believe that FO procurement is a Pentagon Wars style shitshow? Also the new X-wing is incredibly dumb too in that it just has a different, bulkier cowl around what clearly still has to be four distinct engines.
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jivjov posted:You know Clone Wars is in the same continuity as the Sequel Trilogy, right? Lol
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sponges posted:Stop being so smug about these terrible new movies you dummy What "terrible new movies"? The only star wars movies I've seen in the past few years have been great.
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jivjov posted:What "terrible new movies"? The only star wars movies I've seen in the past few years have been great. You’ll get there someday.
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