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chaosapiant posted:I'm confused at all the chat about Chris being on a boat. Why does that matter? Is there any proof he's using backer money to go on vacation or something? I like when we focus on the poo poo that's really stupid and dumb about SC such as $27,000 jpegs, but following his personal life seems silly to me and very reaching for something to be upset about. He was broke before he started selling jpegs to idiots.
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Jul 19, 2018 17:42
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its not really personal if you decide to post that poo poo on twitter
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Jul 19, 2018 17:44
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big nipples big life posted:He was broke before he started selling jpegs to idiots. Sure, maybe. But do we know for sure that his boat-money is backer money? I mean I'm sure some of it is, he has a salary after all. My point is that Chris is such a colossal moron and failure that we shouldn't have to reach that deep to poke fun.
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Jul 19, 2018 17:44
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mostly the reason that started was because sandi and chris continued to perpetuate the idea that they were just normal, down to earth folks who would never use your "donations" for their own extravagance the backers agreed, even through pictures expensive office space, airplane desks, "plywood" garage doors and $100,000 plus vacations
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Jul 19, 2018 17:48
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like even MoMA used to argue chris was only making like 80k a year or something lol
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Jul 19, 2018 17:49
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TheAgent posted:mostly the reason that started was because sandi and chris continued to perpetuate the idea that they were just normal, down to earth folks who would never use your "donations" for their own extravagance Ok, I can kinda see it from that angle. That's what I was looking for, thanks!
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Jul 19, 2018 17:49
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chaosapiant posted:I'm confused at all the chat about Chris being on a boat. Why does that matter? Is there any proof he's using backer money to go on vacation or something? I like when we focus on the poo poo that's really stupid and dumb about SC such as $27,000 jpegs, but following his personal life seems silly to me and very reaching for something to be upset about. Because the guy who's received 190 million dollars so far is so full of himself that he goes on lavish getaways when his product is *Heads off to Monaco for his annual vacation using his undeserved salary gained from cheating others and then posting about it on social media*
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Jul 19, 2018 17:49
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yeah he's wearing a $15,000 pilot's watch, I'm sure he's sitting in his Simi valley condo across from a five guys drive thru, pinching them pennies to ensure the highest fidelity in star citizen
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Jul 19, 2018 17:50
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chris often wishes he could upgrade his 1999 Toyota Corolla, but alas, one must think of the backers
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Jul 19, 2018 17:50
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Just post the Road to Citizencon video whenever anyone asks why Chris should be attacked for whatever reason.
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Jul 19, 2018 17:50
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chaosapiant posted:Sure, maybe. But do we know for sure that his boat-money is backer money? I mean I'm sure some of it is, he has a salary after all. My point is that Chris is such a colossal moron and failure that we shouldn't have to reach that deep to poke fun. Well where else did his money come from? Everything about CIG came from backers money, including the bears really loving expensive holiday.
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Jul 19, 2018 17:51
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Nobody makes a stink about the time a backer caught him going to Fiji for travel. The backer even took a loving photo like a dork. Most people let that slide because Chris and Co never really talked/posted about that one, so whatever. But there WAS a time when CIG leaked that Chris thought they should always fly first class, because The Backers Will Never Know. How many times is Chris "away in Europe" again?
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Jul 19, 2018 17:53
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youd think after more than 3 games across 2 different studios chris would have started to understand words like "frugal" and "deadline"
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Jul 19, 2018 17:55
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stingtwo posted:Well where else did his money come from? Everything about CIG came from backers money, including the bears really loving expensive holiday. That's kinda my original point. If you're asking at all where someone got their money, then you don't know. As safe as the assumption may be, it's still an assumption and I just can't imagine anyone caring enough to even follow Chris on twitter and then go "see? he's partying and he's a fraud: here's proof!" I also didn't back SC and have no dog in this race. I'm just tagging along for the juicy drama. I'm just trying to separate the "real" drama like the refund case and the jpeg sales vs the fake/overblown poo poo people just latch onto to be angry about.
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Jul 19, 2018 17:55
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chaosapiant posted:That's kinda my original point. If you're asking at all where someone got their money, then you don't know. As safe as the assumption may be, it's still an assumption and I just can't imagine anyone caring enough to even follow Chris on twitter and then go "see? he's partying and he's a fraud: here's proof!" I also didn't back SC and have no dog in this race. I'm just tagging along for the juicy drama. I'm just trying to separate the "real" drama like the refund case and the jpeg sales vs the fake/overblown poo poo people just latch onto to be angry about.
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Jul 19, 2018 17:56
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Daztek posted:
I suppose Michael Jordan will have to play Derek Smart in the documentary about the rise and fall of Chris Roberts? 
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Jul 19, 2018 17:59
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CIG have lied so much about how much things cost it's sort of just a thread joke at this point for fucks sake they have a $20000 espresso machine and a full time barista to run it
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Jul 19, 2018 17:59
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TheAgent posted:youd think after more than 3 games across 2 different studios chris would have started to understand words like "frugal" and "deadline" He doesn't even understand "game".
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Jul 19, 2018 17:59
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big nipples big life posted:To be fair, even though he is a massive idiot, Joe's first language isn't English. It's not my first language either, but Joe even makes me cringe at times.
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Jul 19, 2018 18:00
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Bofast posted:I suppose Michael Jordan will have to play Derek Smart in the documentary about the rise and fall of Chris Roberts? I always thought he favored Mario Van Peebles.
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Jul 19, 2018 18:01
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Everybody get up it's time to scam now We got a real thing going on welcome to the Space Scam Here's your chance do your dance at the Space Scam, alright 
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Jul 19, 2018 18:01
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also there's no more "real drama" or "fake drama" it's all combined across hundreds of thousands of posts and trying to sort out poo poo from 2015 or 2016 or gently caress even six months ago is a huge task that will probably take dozens of hours or research and cross checking youd probably need the help of an archivist, which, strangely, CIG also employs
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Jul 19, 2018 18:06
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Sarsapariller posted:Everybody get up it's time to scam now Gizmondo folks in the house lets go It's your boy "Ortwin" a'ight so Pass that check and watch me flex Behind my back, you know what's next
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Jul 19, 2018 18:07
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People have posted at length about his hubris, but the essence is this: Chris thinks he is a visionary, and perhaps he actually is - he has a grand idea for the BDSSE and all the features and interactions thereof. To Chris, this "vision" represents 90% of the work. All that's left is to translate what's in his head to a the game. So he goes about his life as if the work is done. His vision is realized. He has the company, he has the money, he has the idea, the thing is done to him. It's time to party. This is why he's confused as to how the current state of the game isn't what is in his head. "This is Bullshit" he utters as he tries his own game as if for the first time. "Look at this fidelity!" he says as he shows a completely fake vertical slice which was tailored directly for his ego. "Why are we not working harmoniously toward my vision exactly how I thought we'd be?" he asks his staff which is spread across two continents and designing alien races which can't fit in the hallways of their own ship. A good analogy would be Tolkien. Chris has this grand world trapped in his head, he's worked out every little detail and interaction and wonderful thing that exists in his world. He imagines everyone exploring the fantastical things he's dreamed up and made a reality - a magnum opus of imagination and creativity. Except Chris hasn't written the books, hasn't drawn any maps, can't use a typewriter and is also illiterate.
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Jul 19, 2018 18:14
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Dooguk posted:It is? LOL. Hinting at actual gameplay content is how you know this is a fake.
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Jul 19, 2018 18:15
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chaosapiant posted:Sure, maybe. But do we know for sure that his boat-money is backer money? I mean I'm sure some of it is, he has a salary after all. My point is that Chris is such a colossal moron and failure that we shouldn't have to reach that deep to poke fun. How do you know that LeBron James' vacation money comes from basketball? Now, Imagine that, after boasting about how much he was always coding for the game and killing himself, his own wife posts a picture of him on a fancy boat, while the dudes at CIG are crunching for gamescom. If you need me to explain the joke in excruciating detail just send me a message and one of our joke specialist will contact you as soon as possible. trucutru fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Jul 19, 2018 |
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Jul 19, 2018 18:16
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TheAgent posted:chris often wishes he could upgrade his 1999 Toyota Corolla, but alas, one must think of the backers I heard he's in talks with Uruguay's ex-president to get this one second-hand: 
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Jul 19, 2018 18:20
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Daztek posted:
Keep in mind Google tailor's your search results based on your browsing habits and past searches.
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Jul 19, 2018 18:21
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Viscous Soda posted:Keep in mind Google tailor's your search results based on your browsing habits and past searches. don't ruin this for me, pls
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Jul 19, 2018 18:22
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Hobold posted:But thats from like, three years ago. I saw that. I guess you could say my level of care that I was wrong was so close to zero it would almost be a negative number. Which is fine because being below zero is something I'm rather used to.
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Jul 19, 2018 18:22
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TheAgent posted:CIG have lied so much about how much things cost it's sort of just a thread joke at this point Oh, come on, they are not that dumb. It's $12,000 and the barista was only there for a couple of days to train people. Same people who then proceeded to use the machine perfectly and keep the area spotless.
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Jul 19, 2018 18:23
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chaosapiant posted:That's kinda my original point. If you're asking at all where someone got their money, then you don't know. As safe as the assumption may be, it's still an assumption and I just can't imagine anyone caring enough to even follow Chris on twitter and then go "see? he's partying and he's a fraud: here's proof!" I also didn't back SC and have no dog in this race. I'm just tagging along for the juicy drama. I'm just trying to separate the "real" drama like the refund case and the jpeg sales vs the fake/overblown poo poo people just latch onto to be angry about. We haven't been hunting his twitter looking for "dirt" like the racist tweets of baseball players in school 7 years ago. This thread tends to be quick when CIG shows off lavish poo poo like his trip to Monaco, the coffee machine and and sliding doors. We just point and laugh when calling it out when backers or staff say "made out of plywood". Sure he could have made his money from Hollywood but those who have actually dug have found otherwise, everything he financed bombed at the box office besides a punisher movie and Kevin Costner basically blacklisted him from tinsel town. stingtwo fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jul 19, 2018 |
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Jul 19, 2018 18:23
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PrimeNerd posted:lol, that Kazan must be fuming. Hacker News has a thread on this boondoggle. Chris Roberts saving PC gaming again. This needs testing in the EU. Or retesting in the US. Get the EFF involved as these TOS shenanigans are in danger of setting a precedent which going forward erode consumer rights on digital purchases. No way can I give a company $1000 under TOS 1, they update to TOS 2, I spend $1 (or even just log in to continue using my $1000 purchase) and all my purchases then sit under TOS 2. reverend crabhands fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jul 19, 2018 |
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Jul 19, 2018 18:25
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stingtwo posted:We haven't been hunting his twitter looking for "dirt" like the racist tweets of baseball players in school 7 years ago. This thread tends to be quick when CIG shows off lavish poo poo like his trip to Monaco, the coffee machine and and sliding doors. We just point and laugh when calling it out when backers or staff say "made out of plywood". This is what I was looking for in my original post. On the surface it kinda just looks like “why is Chris stealing backer money to have fun instead of working on my game?” Im satisfied with this instead.
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Jul 19, 2018 18:26
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Tinfoil Papercut posted:St. Jude's is actually really cool, my wife and I donate every year. They take care of every expense for the parents of the kids there so they don't have to worry about anything except their child. If you ever wanted to donate to a cause or ever wanted to buy a 200 dollar spaceship JPG, give them some consideration. Yeah, St. Jude's is legit pretty cool.
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Jul 19, 2018 18:28
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When top management also own the company, any salary above labor market value is de facto dividends being paid out. Chris has promised that all funds go towards development, so he can't really pay out dividends/earnings. So instead he has an inflated salary (and possibly some perks better than usual for the position). Many backers seem to be perfectly fine with this, as they think it matches his position and contribution. But to anyone watching this from a distance, Chris on a boat cements the point of view that is just a plain old business, selling a product and making buck for the owners. Normally the owners of a business make profit based on an investment made through funding the company at an earlier stage or simply buying shares in the company. In a capitalist economy, business owners are (in principle) providing capital for the operation of the economy and their profit is derived from this initial investment. Chris didn't make an initial investment of any relevance compared to the funds raised through pledges. So he's not entitled to anything but the value of his labor. If venture capitalists had funded this, they'd give him pennies compared to what he's getting now. They'd quite possibly offer him NOTHING until there was profit for them. The salaries paid to the owners is yet another factor revealing that this is not crowdfunding. There is no pledging. They are selling products and pre-orders. They were NEVER building the company. The core business model was active from day one. Backers are not backers. They're customers. CIG have leveraged the initial round of crowdfunding to set up a jpeg factory, selling pre-orders for *dreams*. Chris pulling out money for himself is the fundamental problem. I'd never blame them for failing. I might loudly disagree with their decisions and statements, but I'd never fault them on a moral level. On the contrary, it's an important part of a healthy society to make failed ventures a possibility. But when the owner can just pull out huge sums regardless of whether it's a failure or not, that's very wrong. In a laissez faire free market, that would be perfectly fine. I don't know about the US, but in Europe we do have regulations and laws to protect consumers from bullshit like this. Selling $27,000 jpegs is perfectly fine if they can be refunded prior to delivery and if the money actually goes towards (failing at) making the dream come true. But it's not fine when some of that money gets put into Chris pocket and there are weird no-taksie-backsies-ironclad-tos-hahaha-arbitration-hahaha policies in place to prevent reasonable refunds. And I haven't even gone into the misleading marketing issues. It's not just greed at play here - there's also dishonesty, and a lot of indications that this was the case right from the start. So yeah, it does matter that Chris is on a boat.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:
It’s more than that. 1) Sandi is source of Chris’s quote 2) She was pretending while giving that interview Chris wasn’t her husband. 3) She was explaining that Chris was already booked to fly Business Class International overseas, the cost of which was several thousand more. 4) She recounts that Chris encouraged her (his then secret wife) to also upgrade to Business Class for flights. 5) As she anecdotally recounts hesitations about how it might look to the fans, she quotes Chris saying, “The fans will never know, you deserve to be comfortable.” chaosapiant posted:That's kinda my original point. If you're asking at all where someone got their money, then you don't know. As safe as the assumption may be, it's still an assumption and I just can't imagine anyone caring enough to even follow Chris on twitter and then go "see? he's partying and he's a fraud: here's proof!" I also didn't back SC and have no dog in this race. I'm just tagging along for the juicy drama. I'm just trying to separate the "real" drama like the refund case and the jpeg sales vs the fake/overblown poo poo people just latch onto to be angry about. Everything needs to be kept in proportion, but it’s already been established by Sandi that Chris encourages wasteful company spending for the both his and her comfort, justifying it because “the fans won’t know.” The tacky extravagance of the LA office furnishings testifies to this, the upgraded international airfare for Roberts family members and indulgence of Sandi’s Hollywood acting pursuits on the side does as well. It’s all in a continuum of lying that is far deeper than casual observers understand and is very worth mocking.
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Jul 19, 2018 18:32
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reverend crabhands posted:Chris Roberts saving PC gaming again. I don't think they should even be allowed to enforce a TOS for a service they haven't delivered yet. But refunders keep mixing undelivered and disapppointing stuff together, and that's wrong. If you pre-order a luxury car, pay upfront, get a stupid crap car as part of the deal, can the dealership then deny you a refund if they never deliver the luxury car? Pretty sure they'd be told to pay the amount paid minus the price of the stupid crap car they delivered. They'd possibly get slapped hard if it turned out they never even tried to procure the luxury car for you, but just sold new cars to other people. That's the angle that needs to be taken.
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TheAgent posted:CIG have lied so much about how much things cost it's sort of just a thread joke at this point 
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