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There is going to be some sort of immigration enforcement done by some agency so it seems like more of a PR thing to me. That is to say I don't know why abolishing ICE and moving its function under a different agency is preferable to just changing ICE to be not evil but optics I guess
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Shear Modulus posted:dont want to get TOO worked up about the baby concentration camps, no siree Republicans are the ones who brought the bill to the floor in order to show "look, democrats are against your safety"
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first they came for the infants and i said nothing, because i thought that being against an agency that imprisons infants would be bad optics
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Shear Modulus posted:first they came for the infants LOL you think the name of an agency matters vs what their boss tells them to do. Abolishing ICE will do jack and poo poo about infant imprisonment when it'll just be some other agency that takes that duty over.
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Seems to me that unless “revamp our entire immigration system so that we as a nation don't and an executive cannot unilaterally implement ICE bullshit” is the plan, it's a gesture at best. If everyone understands that that's what “ abolish ICE” means then so be it but it needs to be clear that this isn't some rogue agency we can fix by dismantling but a systemic and stautory mistreatment of immigrants and refugees that presidents of both parties have allowed
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Zil posted:Translation: "We didn't like the answers we were gettting, so we are going to pretend everyone loves us still"  They've finally managed to run government like a business!Also I just checked the weather for my upcoming trip to your fine state and 
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Paracaidas posted:
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zoux posted:There is going to be some sort of immigration enforcement done by some agency so it seems like more of a PR thing to me. That is to say I don't know why abolishing ICE and moving its function under a different agency is preferable to just changing ICE to be not evil but optics I guess the proposed abolish ice bill is good separate deportation enforcement from, well, everything else, shuffle the everything else to other agencies, consider how to unfuck us immigration law, consider directly how to unfuck deportation enforcement (insofar as we decide we still need it) RisqueBarber posted:Good. It would have made him and other democrats vulnerable in November.
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Water Resistant posted:LOL you think the name of an agency matters vs what their boss tells them to do. Abolishing ICE will do jack and poo poo about infant imprisonment when it'll just be some other agency that takes that duty over. me, dumb: it seems like all the worst abuses are coming from the agency that news reports have indicated for years has been overrun by chuds and infiltrated by white nationalists and cliven bundy militia types. seems like we should do something about that you, wise: you fool. the infant kidnapping and child rape camps are here to stay. as everyone knows, once a government agency starts doing a thing, there's no way for congress to stop it. Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Jul 19, 2018 |
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cant believe that people are being so extreme as to call to abolish ICE, a government agency without which our government would be unable to function. do these fools really understand what they are asking, to go back to the dark ages before ICE existed, the unremembered days of (checks notes) 2003
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Shear Modulus posted:cant believe that people are being so extreme as to call to abolish ICE, a government agency without which our government would be unable to function. do these fools really understand what they are asking, to go back to the dark ages before ICE existed, the unremembered days of (checks notes) 2003 ice performs many valuable non-deportation functions those functions were reallocated to it in 2003, when it was created the primary proposal put forth shuffles those functions to other agencies you are not helping, but if you want to derive some more smug self-satisfaction from owning people, you do you
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GreyjoyBastard posted:ice performs many valuable non-deportation functions what was the federal agency that was performing the function of kidnapping asylum-seeking babies and dragging infants to kangaroo courts before its responsibilities were absorbed into ICE. i think it is possible and would in fact be a good thing for the US to have an agency or agencies that inspect shipments entering the country for contraband items like weapons and bombs and contaminants and invasive plant species, without said agency also running an operation where they kidnap children. beyond that, your third sentence seems you are in favor of the most well-known "abolish ice" proposal? unless you are leaving unsaid a position that a) dismantling the government department called ICE, and dispersing its responsibilities that don't include mission creep into becoming a brownshirt organization, is in fact not abolishing ICE, the organization that was just eliminated, or b) that doing the above would be bad? not sure why you are calling me out for saying that a government unit that grossly overstepped its mandate and has committed human rights violations should be shut down and those human rights violations stopped.
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There are ways of communicating that don't rely on so much hyperbole and invective language that would get people who already are on your side of stopping ICE camps to not seem like your enemy. Maybe you should try one of those out.Zil posted:We have two seasons, summer and not summer. Nah summer can be broken down to Summer Summer 2: With a Vengeance
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We have a nice 6 month summer (some would consider it 8). To be fair, it's even hotter than normal this year.
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isk posted:We have a nice 6 month summer (some would consider it 8). To be fair, it's even hotter than normal this year.  Hold SXSW in the dead of August so no one ever moves here again
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https://twitter.com/GideonResnick/status/1019939214346145792 Veasey is the only Texas Rep on this list. No Doggett, no Beto, no SJL, smfh
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/GideonResnick/status/1019939214346145792 Any idea why Beto isn't there? I'm like 90% sure he's campaigned on this.
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RisqueBarber posted:Any idea why Beto isn't there? I'm like 90% sure he's campaigned on this. Dunno, reporting says "It's expected to increase" but if you get contacted/canvassed by his campaign I'd advise people to bring it up. Doggett has been ahead of his party in terms of progressive stances so I'm actually more surprised he isn't in it.
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Zil posted:We have two seasons, summer and not summer. Normal seasons: Spring Summer Fall Winter Texas seasons: Summer DEATH SUMMER Summer ...Fall? Stay hydrated y'all. zoux posted:
No loving Kidding. Austin should pass an ordinance forcing all festivals of a certain size to be in June, July or August. Hell, tell the shitheads in congress that it's about stopping the influx of liberal Californians and they might actively agree with/support Austin for once Alkydere fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Jul 19, 2018 |
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Or maybe they could accept that they're growing and start improving infrastructure and encouraging the growth of affordable housing instead of gentrifying everything.
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Keeshhound posted:Or maybe they could accept that they're growing and start improving infrastructure and encouraging the growth of affordable housing instead of gentrifying everything. We're talking about workable, realistic solutions here Also, they want the California liberals in Austin so they can bang on about them. Texas Trib editor: https://twitter.com/eramshaw/status/1019966382857912320 zoux fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jul 19, 2018 |
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God dammit interns, change his loving passwords and don't give him the new one.
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Speaking of Beto did he recently come out all gung-ho on impeachment and abolish ICE? I'd be pretty surprised but I've heard he's shifted from his squishier kinda comments before.
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sexpig by night posted:Speaking of Beto did he recently come out all gung-ho on impeachment and abolish ICE? I'd be pretty surprised but I've heard he's shifted from his squishier kinda comments before. I definitely saw a DMN headline where he called for impeaching Trump after the Helsinki meeting, though I don't have a link handy
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Like, I know reality doesn't matter at all anymore, but "Tough as Texas"? Has anyone EVER thought of putting "Ted Cruz" and "Tough" in the same sentence before?
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Spiritus Nox posted:I definitely saw a DMN headline where he called for impeaching Trump after the Helsinki meeting, though I don't have a link handy Here ya go: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2018/07/17/time-impeachment-says-beto-orourke-after-donald-trump-summit-russias-putin
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zoux posted:
That could be your only issue, and people would vote you in for mayor/city council.
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Alkydere posted:Normal seasons: Valley Seasons: Get Ready to Burn (January-February) ROAST TIME (Spring) OH YEAH, WE ROASTIN' (Summer) THIS TRAIN DON'T STOP (Fall)
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DFW officially recorded 108 yesterday which was a daily record, all time is 111. Supposed to get hotter this weekend.
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But if global warming, why snow? 
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Keeshhound posted:But if global warming, why snow? It's 108 and snowing? We got bigger problems than global warming folks
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Dameius posted:DFW officially recorded 108 yesterday which was a daily record, all time is 111. Supposed to get hotter this weekend. i want to die
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Makes the bike commute pretty hard, let me tell you.
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The Dipshit posted:Makes the bike commute pretty hard, let me tell you. Right there with you on that one. I loathe having to go in to work with the heat the way it is.
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The Dipshit posted:Makes the bike commute pretty hard, let me tell you. Someone on a bike in Houston just shot some doctor on a bike. Maybe everyone should just stay in doors.
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https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1020126181369229313 Surely this will get the legislature to act
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Certified 5 alarm spicy!
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