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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:We are in the process of considering building, and many of the covenants in acreages we're looking have restrictions of a minimum of 2500' square footage. So instead of building a huge house around a tiny existing one like many people do to get past bylaws, do the opposite. Build a big shell with a tiny house inside and then knock down the shell.
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Leave the shell in place but make it totally retractable down into little hedges and fake out buildings.
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Jul 20, 2018 13:54
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 But, you know, smaller.
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:We are in the process of considering building, and many of the covenants in acreages we're looking have restrictions of a minimum of 2500' square footage. All I'm hearing is "1500' house, 1000' basement garage"
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Jul 20, 2018 14:03
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The Brady Bunch house is for sale. Technically, it's the one they used for the exterior title shot. Fun fact which you probably knew: that iconic front window is not on the actual house -- it was a fake added on for the shot (and if you look closely enough at a Brady Bunch title still, you can even see the wires they used to hang the window.). Nothing overtly horrible to find here (although it does have a bit of a time capsule element), but it is interesting to see the actual interior compared to the Brady Bunch sets. Surprise: they're nothing alike. But we all knew that.
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Jul 20, 2018 14:31
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Zamboni_Rodeo posted:The Brady Bunch house is for sale. Technically, it's the one they used for the exterior title shot. Fun fact which you probably knew: that iconic front window is not on the actual house -- it was a fake added on for the shot (and if you look closely enough at a Brady Bunch title still, you can even see the wires they used to hang the window.). Apparently the people who live in the house used for the exterior shots of the White house on Breaking Bad have had a hell of a time with gawkers and tour groups and randos showing up. I imagine that the passage of time fixes that but I’d personally never consider living in a house with that kind of publicity.
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Jul 20, 2018 15:11
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Liquid Communism posted:I swear I am going to end up building, and confuse the gently caress out of a builder as to why I have a big rural property and want a 1200 square foot ranch put on it instead of a 3500 square mcRanchsion. gently caress, man, I'm not even sure 3500 square feet constitutes a McMansion anymore. My c1925 house is something like 3000 square feet of finished space and it is absolutely dwarfed by the 2012 house we just went to for a kid's birthday party. It was maybe 50% bigger? On formal dining and living rooms: I guess we have both, but we use the former fairly regularly with guests since our regular eating nook only seats four, and we use the latter more frequently than the room with the television because it's just a super comfortable room for lounging. The only underutilized spaces are the attic room (which desperately needs to be renovated) and my wife's office (because we moved a whole bunch of poo poo in there to clean out what became the kid's bedroom).
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Apparently the people who live in the house used for the exterior shots of the White house on Breaking Bad have had a hell of a time with gawkers and tour groups and randos showing up. I imagine that the passage of time fixes that but I’d personally never consider living in a house with that kind of publicity. It's a common issue. The people that own the Halloween house have signs up asking people to stay off the porch and not to knock for "tours". Time will only fix so much as some shows/movies have a cult following that never seems to go away.
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Jul 20, 2018 15:38
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:We are in the process of considering building, and many of the covenants in acreages we're looking have restrictions of a minimum of 2500' square footage. Indoor ballgames court, set up a local youth sports club and collect fees.
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Jul 20, 2018 15:54
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cakesmith handyman posted:All I'm hearing is "1500' house, 1000' basement garage" Seriously though, if/when I build I'm seriously considering doing a bit that's "this is the part we live in" and a bit that's "this is the part our hobbies are in". The first part would be, like, living room, kitchen, bathroom, bedroom (repeat the last two as needed for size of family), the second part would be workshop, studio, greenhouse, garage, tool shed...anything else I'm forgetting? Slap a mud room between the two bits, or have them actually be two separate structures.
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Jul 20, 2018 15:58
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:(repeat the last two as needed for size of family) So, one then? TooMuchAbstraction posted:Slap a mud room between the two bits, or have them actually be two separate structures. Hazmat decontamination chamber
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Jaded Burnout posted:So, one then?  quote:Hazmat decontamination chamber Of course, I forgot the reactor, dangerous materials lab, and rocket test facility. 
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Jul 20, 2018 16:06
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Low blow, dude. We are goons, after all.
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Jul 20, 2018 16:09
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Low blow, dude. Hey, I did know this guy. He was a total slacker way back when.
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Jul 20, 2018 16:13
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Mr. Nice! posted:loving lol you know it, also it's 2500 FINISHED, LIVABLE square feet (a finished basement also does not count) and the builder just so happens to be the guy who is selling the lot!  I don't think we're going to build there, ultimately.
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Jul 20, 2018 16:38
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the developer who originally chopped up those parcels is a shrewd man. Are you restricted as to what builder you can use, too?
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Seriously though, if/when I build I'm seriously considering doing a bit that's "this is the part we live in" and a bit that's "this is the part our hobbies are in". The first part would be, like, living room, kitchen, bathroom, bedroom (repeat the last two as needed for size of family), the second part would be workshop, studio, greenhouse, garage, tool shed...anything else I'm forgetting?
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Jul 20, 2018 17:00
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i like nice words
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And if you play the banjo, it should be in desolation, far removed from all human life.
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Jul 20, 2018 17:02
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tetrapyloctomy posted:And if you play the banjo, it should be in desolation, far removed from all human life. Like Arkansas, or worse.
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Jul 20, 2018 17:06
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tetrapyloctomy posted:And if you play the banjo, it should be in desolation, far removed from all human life. I'm on my phone right now, so just assume I posted the Achewood strip with Lie Bot playing the banjo in the garage while everyone else eats dinner
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Jul 20, 2018 18:14
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:lol you know it, also it's 2500 FINISHED, LIVABLE square feet (a finished basement also does not count) and the builder just so happens to be the guy who is selling the lot! Is there a way to lookup cc&r’s just based on a listing?
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Jul 20, 2018 19:08
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I don't think there are, unfortunately, which is a total loving scam because these shadow laws below the level of public legal scrutiny but still enforceable with bullshit like liens are highly obnoxious to my sensibilities.
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Jul 20, 2018 19:14
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Zamboni_Rodeo posted:The Brady Bunch house is for sale. Technically, it's the one they used for the exterior title shot. Fun fact which you probably knew: that iconic front window is not on the actual house -- it was a fake added on for the shot (and if you look closely enough at a Brady Bunch title still, you can even see the wires they used to hang the window.). It's dated but not all that bad. And then I got to this:  I actually went "yargh" at my screen. Then I saw the booblightfan. Why are there so many old houses with a god-awful pink bedroom?
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Jul 20, 2018 22:48
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Is that an exhaust fan in the ceiling?
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WithoutTheFezOn posted:Is that an exhaust fan in the ceiling? Thing's can get pretty steamy in grandma's room. 
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tetrapyloctomy posted:gently caress, man, I'm not even sure 3500 square feet constitutes a McMansion anymore. My c1925 house is something like 3000 square feet of finished space and it is absolutely dwarfed by the 2012 house we just went to for a kid's birthday party. It was maybe 50% bigger? You can’t define McMansions by an absolute square footage. It’s more about being oversized for the area and for the lot. It also has to be architecturally disjointed and poorly built. 3,000 square feet barely registers as large here in suburban Utah, especially if you’re allowed to include basement space. You have to hit at least 4500 square feet to start getting into the really tacky McMansion stuff. Speaking of how houses end up so stupidly big, one of the real problems is that new construction seems to make absolutely piss poor use of space. My grandparents’ 1950s tract home didn’t have a wasted inch. Whereas some of the new homes in my neighborhood have large (like 15’ by 15’) areas that can’t be used as anything other than an oversized hallway. It’s such a waste. For me (family of four, kids are 13 and 11), our 1700 sq ft town house works, but I’d love to have about 2400 square feet so that I could have some space to myself. When we first got married our 800 sq ft apartment felt huge. Kids really change things. TheMadMilkman fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Jul 21, 2018 |
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There are also just regular mansions, large but actually nice houses around.  For everyone who missed it, Mcmansionhell made a very good chart on the subject of what is a mcmansion. 1 is a normal house, and 10 is a definite dollar-menu domicile. there wolf fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Jul 21, 2018 |
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Jul 21, 2018 07:27
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I have to take exception because the "tiny house" trend is also super stupid, just in a different way.
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canyoneer posted:I have to take exception because the "tiny house" trend is also super stupid, just in a different way. It is stupid, but it's the opposite of a mcmansion. And it's probably like a $30,000 mistake. If you build it on a normal lot, later you still have the option to build a real house and turn the tiny house into a guest cottage, man cave, or shed.
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Jul 21, 2018 07:51
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Property taxes here are calculated by the sqft of the ground floor, which encourages 2-story houses. Footage/taxes increase on 3rd story and up, which discourages some weirdness. The typical new build in cheapo Japan is around 1200-1300 sqft, and skinny 3-story homes in Tokyo are under 1000. Attics and basements and garages don't really happen here, either. Our 4-bedroom house is 1400 sqft and very comfortable. Everyone is welcome to visit ^__^
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peanut posted:Property taxes here are calculated by the sqft of the ground floor, which encourages 2-story houses. Footage/taxes increase on 3rd story and up, which discourages some weirdness. The typical new build in cheapo Japan is around 1200-1300 sqft, and skinny 3-story homes in Tokyo are under 1000. Attics and basements and garages don't really happen here, either. Aren’t homes in Japan treated as kinda disposable and demolished every 10 or 12 years once some maintenance is required?
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Not 10 years lol. Apartments have mandatory maintenance laws for both interior and exterior maintenance. Houses get torn town every generation or two, people live too long so the parents are still living in their house, and grown-up kids will take over grandma's house which is usually a shithole and rebuilding vs complete skeleton remodel is usually the same cost. Most "family homes" are inefficient mazes of additions and 90s remodels. Gorgeous old houses get taken care of, but post-war boomer huts are garbage. Come visit and see some old houses, and the 10-inch centipedes living next to the squatter toilet.
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Facebook Aunt posted:It is stupid, but it's the opposite of a mcmansion. And it's probably like a $30,000 mistake. If you build it on a normal lot, later you still have the option to build a real house and turn the tiny house into a guest cottage, man cave, or shed. It would be a $30,000 mistake, if it were built with the same standards and materials of a regular house, only scaled down. But they're not. Every tiny house I've seen has super luxe materials, custom "tiny" built-in furniture, and tons of trim and accessories. Somehow the idea of "What if house, but smaller?" has turned into a conspicuous bohemian consumption of "reclaimed" lumber and brand-new, "eco-efficient" appliances (please pay no attention to the carbon footprint of manufacturing these). Plus they're all more or less disposable because the rich kids that live in these abandon them as soon as their girlfriend falls out of the lofted bed drunk, or their boyfriend takes a nasty dump in the "humanure" composting toilet. It's annoying to have to reassemble your entire living space every time you switch activities, sometimes it's nice to be able to leave a bed unmade. It's also nice to occasionally be able to live with someone without being in arms' reach literally all the time.
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Also if you’ve ever met somebody with a tiny house they’re loving insufferable
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canyoneer posted:I have to take exception because the "tiny house" trend is also super stupid, just in a different way. Yeah, I should have said that 1 is definitely-not-a-Mcmansion rather than normal. I did stay in a tiny house that was a guest cottage in Scotland, and that seemed like the perfect use for one. The separate structure gives some privacy but you don't lose a lot of your yard to it; in that vein it'd probably be a good idea for kids building a house on the corner of their parent's lot to live in. But it seems like most of the people who actually have a tiny house are either having an extreme reaction to having lived in a mcmansion and wanting something smaller, or would be better suited by an RV but don't think that's hip enough.
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there wolf posted:There are also just regular mansions, large but actually nice houses around. quote:the presence of a three or more car garage is a pretty good sign that you’re looking at a McMansion rather than a run-of-the-mill suburban tract house. I'd probably agree with the "or more" part but nearly every run of the mill suburban tract house has a three car garage here. I've seen 1200 square foot ranches with 3 car garages (which is probably its own problem, but it isn't a mcmansion). The thing I hate is they make the garages just large enough to technically fit three cars but absolutely nothing else. I'm sure we could actually get three cars in our garage but there wouldn't even be enough room leftover for the garbage/recycling bins and the lawn mower.
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I have a garage. It's too narrow the typical modern car... (UK, built in the 60s).
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:Also if you’ve ever met somebody with a tiny house they’re loving insufferable Ive only known one couple that built a tiny house, but they were definitely insufferable. They would have also been better off with an RV or 5th wheel trailer, and the tiny house marked the start of the end of their marriage.
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I've only seen one tiny house I liked and it was a converted fifth-wheel and huge. If I was able to get away with it I might consider buying an old Airstream motorhome and renovating it into a tiny house like setup. It would be cheaper, nicer looking, and when I wanted to get rid of it, it would actually have resale value.
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I tried to convince my parents to move into an 800 sqft single story two bedroom but they thought it was too small because they are boomers and wanted ‘more house for their money’. Now I’ll have to drive 40 minutes to take care of them in their imminent old age instead of 10.
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I'm currently looking for a house that's at or under 1000sqft and they pretty much don't exist anymore. Everything that was that size has been expanded in some way so I've had to settle for probably getting one more bedroom that I need at the least.
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