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Oxygen Deficiency posted:To add to the above, note the fact that Alfyns injurous seed/dust moves are a guaranteed multi-hit elemental weakness that costs 0 SP and 0 BP. It's extremely good. More specifically, I think it's like: Injurious Seed: Single target, 2 hits Injurious Dust: Multitarget, 1 hit Ruinous Seed: Single target, 3 hits Runious Dust: Multitarget, I think 2 hits So Alfyn is probably better at breaking against a single target than Scholar because he can do three hits with Ruinous Seeds, and he's just as good (and more versatile) as long as you have Ruinous Dusts. That said you're not going to have an abundance of Ruinous anything early in the game so that's where Scholar will outshine him, and Scholar will of course do much more damage so it's still a fantastic job. A.I. Borgland Corp posted:What happens if you use injurious seed with like essence of grape Wind attack with a chance to lower physical defense. Plum is lightning and pomegranate is dark.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:That seems like it would work out pretty well, your left behind guys would be appropriately leveled for their earlier chapter content and have the added benefit of advanced gear and classes you already picked up. I've been getting the sense that the stories are tied together (or at the very least, some of them are) so it would be pretty cool if I could just not have to do it this way and instead do each level of chapters together instead of the way it's happening
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IcePhoenix posted:I've been getting the sense that the stories are tied together (or at the very least, some of them are) so it would be pretty cool if I could just not have to do it this way and instead do each level of chapters together instead of the way it's happening Then just do it that way? That's what I've been doing, and it seems to work out. Therion is in the high 20s but his experience requirements are ramping up, and everyone else is still somewhere in the 20s. I swap out characters here and there so Therion's the only one who's rising above the recommended level, and I haven't had to do any real grinding on the others.
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Even through Tressa is level 25, the chapter 2 boss for her is kicking my rear end. Main problem is the two soldiers who seem to take forever to die, but I can't ignore since they hit everyone for 400 damage per action.
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Got my first 2 party banters, one right after I completed Prim's ch2 and another when I got to the bar. One was with Cyrus about dancing and the other was H'annit being mopey about necklaces from dead parents. There is a small notification and a dedicated sound for when it pops up but yeah it's kind of crazy how easy you could miss that.
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Been playing this a lot the past week, and drat it's a weird game. There's some things to like here but to me most things just feel poorly designed overall. - You can already make fleeing from random battles basically guaranteed, so why not just make them optional? Constantly stopping the game just feels awkward and bad when you don't want constant fights against trash that isn't challenging or meaningful in any way. Feels like they are just intentionally annoying you when you can blow up any encounters in one turn anyway. - Some classes are just straight up bad. I fed Cyrus most of my magic berries, but it turns out one of the alternative classes is just a vastly improved version of the scholar - after you get him, scholar is 100% useless. - The first time I got to a final story boss (at level ~30-35, recommended was 45) the fight was great and I had to actually use some of my items (blinding powders etc). After that, the rest of them are absolute cakewalks because you already have good gear / leveled party members. Sure, I could just intentionally make my party bad to get some challenge, but again, what kind of game design is that? Only 1/8 of the game is meant to be anything but steamrolling over things unless you make your characters go in naked or something? - Most of the writing is awful and the game just absolutely refuses to shut up. I liked some of the stories, but it's incredible how much pointless non-interactive fluff they jammed even in those relatively brief story pieces. Every time a main character is walking out of the room in a cutscene, you can bet someone will stop them before they get out and tell you things you already got told 100 times before. Cyrus was probably the worst; the "detective" segments were just insulting and there was zero gameplay in them, you can't lose even intentionally and the "mysteries" are along the lines of "people are disappearing next to this giant hole in the wall. Only the magic Sherlock can figure out that they might be in the giant hole." I hope the postgame stuff is interesting, but drat it's a slog to finish the rest of the characters past the first ones - just opening it up after doing the first 4 characters or so would be great. Other games could learn from Octopath's example of making towns and NPCs a little more interactive with the path actions, but most of those are completely pointless gameplaywise too ("discount at an inn"? Really? Inn costs 100 and I have millions while literally throwing money away at fights already, thanks). I needed something to fiddle with while listening to podcasts / audiobooks and this did that, but imo it's not worth 60€.
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Dropbear posted:- Some classes are just straight up bad. I fed Cyrus most of my magic berries, but it turns out one of the alternative classes is just a vastly improved version of the scholar - after you get him, scholar is 100% useless. To be fair that is like 90% through the game
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sounds like your issues boil down to "I'm overleveled, have shitloads of ingame money, and I dislike most of the game" so I don't think I'd recommend you bother playing further? "scholar is 100% useless" though is kind of not true given how myself and others can vaporize enemies with Cyrus later on.Andrast posted:To be fair that is like 90% through the game How the gently caress are people this far already, I have 17 hours logged and only just completed a single Chapter 2 since launch day.
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H'aanit in her chapter 3 flashback is so CUTE.
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Phenotype posted:Then just do it that way? That's what I've been doing, and it seems to work out. Therion is in the high 20s but his experience requirements are ramping up, and everyone else is still somewhere in the 20s. I swap out characters here and there so Therion's the only one who's rising above the recommended level, and I haven't had to do any real grinding on the others. Therion is level 45. Olberic, Primrose, and Alfyn are close behind. I did a lot of exploring and had a couple lucky dances in higher level areas. If Therion was at least close to the level suggestion that's one thing, but he's more than double most of them. DLC Inc posted:How the gently caress are people this far already, I have 17 hours logged and only just completed a single Chapter 2 since launch day. I was in a pretty similar spot. Once you start doing stories you sort of just want to keep going. Also fast travel cuts out a lot of time running between areas. IcePhoenix fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jul 20, 2018 |
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Dropbear posted:Been playing this a lot the past week, and drat it's a weird game. There's some things to like here but to me most things just feel poorly designed overall. 
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DLC Inc posted:sounds like your issues boil down to "I'm overleveled, have shitloads of ingame money, and I dislike most of the game" so I don't think I'd recommend you bother playing further? "scholar is 100% useless" though is kind of not true given how myself and others can vaporize enemies with Cyrus later on. I got the "scholar but better" class at around 25h played maybe. I didn't finish all the earlier chapters before going into the later ones, though. This might be better paced that way.
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Phenotype posted:I don't know why people always mention "I haven't even completed a story". The way the game is structured, you only "complete" a story when you're in the endgame. It's not really set up for you to play a story all the way through from chapter 1 to chapter 4, because the level recommendations between chapters go up, and if you've finished someone's final chapter, you're gonna be way overleveled for anyone else's chapter 1. When you're at endgame levels, you'll naturally be at a point where you're 3/4ths of the way through everyone's story and can go around and knock all the Chapter 4s out in a row. Take that with a grain of salt, because I only finished my second chapter 2 last night (Tressa! I had to play Tressa's final chapter after Primrose's final chapter because Primrose's story is depressing enough... and also kind of peetered out at the end there leaving me utterly apathetic to it and it's ending. Having a purely feel-good story with a decent ending right after did wonders after Primrose's. Dropbear posted:I got the "scholar but better" class at around 25h played maybe. I didn't finish all the earlier chapters before going into the later ones, though. This might be better paced that way. The irony here is that "Scholar but better" is best when used by said Scholar.
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) but it seems like the game wants you to clear everyone's chapter 1, then clear everyone's chapter 2, etc. It seems like you CAN get away without recruiting everyone, but you'll have to do a little grinding before you're ready to handle the next chapter if you haven't been doing the majority of the chapter content.
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IcePhoenix posted:Therion is level 45. Olberic, Primrose, and Alfyn are close behind. I did a lot of exploring and had a couple lucky dances in higher level areas. Yeah, I'm tempted but I haven't bothered using the Bewildering Dance at all because of all the talk in here about it. It sounds neat to gain 50k experience in one fight but realistically I'd probably lose interest in the game once the combat became meaningless. I'm only a few levels above the recommended on Therion, and he's still BELOW a couple of the higher-end Chapter 2s, so he's just a little stronger than average, and since the rest of the party is average or a little below, it's been working out. DLC Inc posted:How the gently caress are people this far already, I have 17 hours logged and only just completed a single Chapter 2 since launch day. Hah, that's casual talk buddy. I did 15 hours between Friday night and Sunday night, and I'm almost at 21 now despite working all week. And I think I'm on the low end as far as this thread is concerned. It's hard not to play for hours every time I pick this thing up, if I had more free time I'd probably be closer to 40 hours in by now.
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Man, I made it to the Riverlands second city for Ophilia's second story but I didn't want to start without having found any of these subclasses I've been hearing about. Are they obvious or do I need to go searching for them?
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Folt The Bolt posted:The irony here is that "Scholar but better" is best when used by said Scholar. Huh, good to hear - I thought my nuts were wasted. Is there something I'm not getting in scholar, then? Stats seem pretty easy to get capped with chapter 4 gear (and all the magic nuts) so Cyrus' magic atk. shouldn't make a difference - I'd rather have alternative skills instead of the overlap scholar + mage gives. Or is there a way to get stats past the cap?
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I got scholar but better like 40% through my play through. And it's not redundant since only one person can use it (should be Cyrus) and you need all eight characters. Now that I'm done here's my definitive story tier list: Good: Olberic, Primrose, Therion Decent: Cyrus, Alfyn Boring/bad: H'aanit, Ophelia, Tressa
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Arist posted:Man, I made it to the Riverlands second city for Ophilia's second story but I didn't want to start without having found any of these subclasses I've been hearing about. Are they obvious or do I need to go searching for them? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466244308484358145/467224057570394112/mhFes1o.jpg
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Arist posted:Man, I made it to the Riverlands second city for Ophilia's second story but I didn't want to start without having found any of these subclasses I've been hearing about. Are they obvious or do I need to go searching for them? you literally walked past the apothecary one to get to Saintsbridge lol Phenotype posted:Yeah, I'm tempted but I haven't bothered using the Bewildering Dance at all because of all the talk in here about it. It sounds neat to gain 50k experience in one fight but realistically I'd probably lose interest in the game once the combat became meaningless. I'm only a few levels above the recommended on Therion, and he's still BELOW a couple of the higher-end Chapter 2s, so he's just a little stronger than average, and since the rest of the party is average or a little below, it's been working out. I still like the dance, it's a fun gimmick. But I find myself very rarely using it now. Generally Primrose uses her BP to explode things instead (scholar secondary).
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IcePhoenix posted:you literally walked past the apothecary one to get to Saintsbridge lol Yeah I had a feeling I goobered that one up
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Dropbear posted:Huh, good to hear - I thought my nuts were wasted. Is there something I'm not getting in scholar, then? Invest JP into the Warrior so you get Surpassing Power which ups the damage cap from 9999 to 99999. Then, equip skills to boost the power of elemental attacks alongside Surpassing Power from these four options: BP Eater - More damage when the attack is boosted. It's the best passive for increasing damage on any damage dealer. Augmented Elements - 25% more power with no downside. Elemental Aid - 50% more power in exchange for doubled SP on the elemental attacks. Elemental Edge - Provides a buff similiar to Peacock Strut (50%-60%) and can be temporarily dispelled in the same manner. A way to go about this is to equip Elemental Edge instead of Augmented Elements or Elemental Aid when you're fighting mooks to kill them with Sorcerer spells and equip the rest when dealing with bosses where you boost yourself with Alephan/Dreisang, Elemental Bane the boss and have a Dancer cast Peacock Strut on Cyrus to get the benefit that Elemental Edge would give you, before unloading on the boss with boosted Sorcerer spells (as you're probably paired up with someone that can give Cyrus BP every turn), probably after a break. EDIT: And for the record, while other people with elemental attack can do this, their default moveset and stalines make them much better suited to other roles (Primrose for example wants to cast Peacock Strut on the Sorcerer instead of being the Sorcerer and Ophilia is healing and otherwise wants to buff the Sorcerer and maybe Warmaster with Aelfric's Auspices instead of being the Sorcerer). Folt The Bolt fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jul 20, 2018 |
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You guys are too far in my head, I pushed towards Op's Ch4 boss just so I could finally drop her from my party and hosed up three runs by getting greedy with my dancing. 2 of them locked me out of items and then one of them was a group to 1 HP followed by SP 0.
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I've been seeing end game builds as saving grace bp eater elemental edge / physical prowess surpassing power
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Can someone remind me where I get the skill that improves fleeing? I can't seem to find it.
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Oxygen Deficiency posted:Can someone remind me where I get the skill that improves fleeing? I can't seem to find it. Cleric. Third Support Skill.
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Folt The Bolt posted:Cleric. Third Support Skill. Thanks muchly 
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Arist posted:Yeah I had a feeling I goobered that one up Watch your radar when you're going to "second ring" towns for an icon that looks sort of like a greek/roman temple entrance (it's like three pillars or something). Those are where you get the secondary classes. The ones that are the base eight classes are empty (no random encounters, no boss) and you just have to interact with an item at the end. The others are normal dungeons with a boss, but are also between the second and third rings so you can't really accidentally get them when looking for the first eight.
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IcePhoenix posted:Watch your radar when you're going to "second ring" towns for an icon that looks sort of like a greek/roman temple entrance (it's like three pillars or something). Those are where you get the secondary classes. The ones that are the base eight classes are empty (no random encounters, no boss) and you just have to interact with an item at the end. The others are normal dungeons with a boss, but are also between the second and third rings so you can't really accidentally get them when looking for the first eight. I vaguely remember something along those lines. Thanks for the help.
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I'm in the process of gathering all my characters, and I really like a lot of things about the game, but my major gripe so far is that holy gently caress it's really hard to see things in some of the darker areas. I was missing tons of small paths to treasure chests on the path to the cave in the Apothecary, then the cave itself was a nightmare. Maxing out the brightness makes things a little better, but then makes your player sprites obnoxiously bright, and playing in docked mode helps things out too, but even with both docked and max brightness I'm in the Whisperwood and am basically wallhugging my way trying to find the paths to these treasure chests I keep seeing. The lighting system really works during battles, but in all honestly I wish there was a way to turn it off while just exploring. e: also, just to make sure I'm seeing this right, you can't remove your starting character from your party until you complete their Ch4?
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:e: also, just to make sure I'm seeing this right, you can't remove your starting character from your party until you complete their Ch4? Correct
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I haven't played much beyond Ch. 1 yet but I'm probably going to try to do all the characters' stories concurrently, even if it means Alfyn will be overleveled. I hope he won't be too badly overleveled but that's probably better than my whole party being overleveled and then needing to grind up a whole new party of 4 after that. I wonder if it would help if I just make a policy of ignoring every Cait I see
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:I'm in the process of gathering all my characters, and I really like a lot of things about the game, but my major gripe so far is that holy gently caress it's really hard to see things in some of the darker areas. I was missing tons of small paths to treasure chests on the path to the cave in the Apothecary, then the cave itself was a nightmare. Maxing out the brightness makes things a little better, but then makes your player sprites obnoxiously bright, and playing in docked mode helps things out too, but even with both docked and max brightness I'm in the Whisperwood and am basically wallhugging my way trying to find the paths to these treasure chests I keep seeing. The lighting system really works during battles, but in all honestly I wish there was a way to turn it off while just exploring. Have you turned off Corner Shadows?    
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:I'm in the process of gathering all my characters, and I really like a lot of things about the game, but my major gripe so far is that holy gently caress it's really hard to see things in some of the darker areas. I was missing tons of small paths to treasure chests on the path to the cave in the Apothecary, then the cave itself was a nightmare. Maxing out the brightness makes things a little better, but then makes your player sprites obnoxiously bright, and playing in docked mode helps things out too, but even with both docked and max brightness I'm in the Whisperwood and am basically wallhugging my way trying to find the paths to these treasure chests I keep seeing. The lighting system really works during battles, but in all honestly I wish there was a way to turn it off while just exploring. Try turning off corner shadows. I think the game looks better without them and it makes things easier to see. Edit: beaten by a fancier post.
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The dungeons near the starter towns, do these contain any special loot/quest stuff or are they just there for an optional early game challenge?
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I heard the polar bear enemy was a pain in the rear end for people but I encountered one last night and he wasn't too bad....though his Rampage attack def has the chance to wipe your party if you were low
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Theswarms posted:The dungeons near the starter towns, do these contain any special loot/quest stuff or are they just there for an optional early game challenge? The one near Primrose's town had a quest item to steal from a NPC to finish a side quest that started outside of it. Some of them contain bosses. All dungeons (so far) seem to contain at least one purple chest with a really nice upgrade, provided you haven't already robbed / dipped into ch2+ dungeons or towns. They mostly seem to be around to add flavor and something to do while getting levels to complete Ch2s. I've used the same party of four, cleared all of the dungeons and my party is between 27-25. onesixtwo fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Jul 20, 2018 |
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I appreciate that they recorded every single character shoutout doing every single skill, but no one says NIGHT ODE with even half as much drama as Primrose.
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Saint Freak posted:I appreciate that they recorded every single character shoutout doing every single skill, but no one says NIGHT ODE with even half as much drama as Primrose. Cyrus smugging it up with "consider it... your tuition" when you use Collect with him is so good The personalized lines are a small touch that adds a ton of flavor and I appreciate that they went to the effort
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