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Phone posted:the question i have been asking friends lately has been: what's worse? nazis or nazi enablers? It's the Nazis, but the Nazis do have more intellectual honesty
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Jul 20, 2018 15:31
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First they came for the Nazis, and I did not speak out Because I was not a Nazi. Then they came for the KKK, and I did not speak out Because I was not a wizard. Then they came for the NRA, and I did not speak out Because I was not a gun nut. Then they came for Silicon Valley and humanity was finally free.
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Jul 20, 2018 15:38
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enablers are worse. that gymnastics rapiat wouldnt have gotten away with it for so long if the higher ups didnt enable him.
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Jul 20, 2018 15:41
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ikanreed posted:It's the Nazis, but the Nazis do have more intellectual honesty i don't really buy it. i've been in a dark place recently (that's right, i have been reading the comments) and the amount of navel gazing garbage "exposing nazis to the marketplace of ideas will be the real death blow" is absolutely staggering. people arguing in earnest that it's Actually Good that wapo is letting white nationalists pen op eds because wapo has a responsibility to allow for freeze peach. this isn't even a new or novel things either, for example when newspapers were reporting on the kkk and how bad the klan was, they put the loving sign up form in the article and people cut them out and sent them in to sign up.
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Jul 20, 2018 15:51
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Phone posted:the question i have been asking friends lately has been: what's worse? nazis or nazi enablers? Nazis are worse, but there's a fuckload more of the enablers
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Jul 20, 2018 15:53
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Mercrom posted:you have to draw the line somewhere this is literally nonsense "if we ban some speech, that will amount to an active government endorsement of literally all speech that wasn't banned, therefore" is a hell of a way to start an argument
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Jul 20, 2018 16:10
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WampaLord posted:Nazis are worse, but there's a fuckload more of the enablers On that note, I suspect the answer to this will be no, but were any Nazi enablers from World War II (e.g. neighbors who ratted out on Jews) punished in any way? Even like some mercenary Israeli who extrajudicially killed someone? univbee has issued a correction as of 16:22 on Jul 20, 2018 |
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Jul 20, 2018 16:11
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Phone posted:the question i have been asking friends lately has been: what's worse? nazis or nazi enablers? theyre the exact same imo the trolls & ironic nazis also; "We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be."
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Jul 20, 2018 16:13
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univbee posted:On that note, I suspect the answer to this will be no, but were any Nazi enablers from World War II (e.g. neighbors who ratted out on Jews) punished in any way? Even like some mercenary Israel who extrajudicially killed someone? some people lost their jobs and stuff for a while, but it really wasn't practical to prosecute literally everyone who cooperated with an authoritarian regime that could have you beaten or imprisoned for failing to cooperate and also made cooperation an essential requirement for many careers and positions. by 1945, most of the German professional and political class had been members of the Nazi party denazification petered out pretty quickly, especially when the West decided that West Germany needed to be rebuilt as a bulwark against communism. all but the worst offenders had been granted amnesty by 1952
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Jul 20, 2018 16:27
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Main Paineframe posted:some people lost their jobs and stuff for a while, but it really wasn't practical to prosecute literally everyone who cooperated with an authoritarian regime that could have you beaten or imprisoned for failing to cooperate and also made cooperation an essential requirement for many careers and positions. by 1945, most of the German professional and political class had been members of the Nazi party Right, I hadn't considered the "forced to cooperate for work" side of things, that makes sense.
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Jul 20, 2018 16:32
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Phone posted:i don't really buy it. i've been in a dark place recently (that's right, i have been reading the comments) and the amount of navel gazing garbage "exposing nazis to the marketplace of ideas will be the real death blow" is absolutely staggering. people arguing in earnest that it's Actually Good that wapo is letting white nationalists pen op eds because wapo has a responsibility to allow for freeze peach. do the wapo and nyt regularly let socialists and communists pen editorials for them?????
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Jul 20, 2018 17:17
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Main Paineframe posted:this is literally nonsense you are right that sounds pretty dumb i guess ill go back to revise my post to not say that
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Jul 20, 2018 18:09
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univbee posted:On that note, I suspect the answer to this will be no, but were any Nazi enablers from World War II (e.g. neighbors who ratted out on Jews) punished in any way? Even like some mercenary Israeli who extrajudicially killed someone? Depends on where, France for example did not take kindly to Nazi collaborators https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/01/06/nazi-colaborators-france/
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Jul 20, 2018 18:11
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https://twitter.com/idlematts/status/1019768075250528256
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Jul 20, 2018 19:28
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uwu o_O did ur daddy spend all his money?! that sux >_<;
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Jul 20, 2018 19:33
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Media Bloodbath posted:First they came for the Nazis, and I did not speak out—
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Jul 20, 2018 21:15
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Media Bloodbath posted:First they came for the Nazis, and I did not speak out 
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Jul 20, 2018 21:26
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praying for your capitalist overlords to politically police speech on their platforms means theyre gonna start banning communists and socialists and anti-capitalists lol
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Jul 21, 2018 00:13
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activists critical of american foreign policy could easily be branded as conspiracy theorists and banned under similar justifications
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Jul 21, 2018 00:16
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comedyblissoption posted:activists critical of american foreign policy could easily be branded as conspiracy theorists and banned under similar justifications this is what will happen, lol
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Jul 21, 2018 00:18
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Al! posted:you make holocaust denial illegal in the usa and itll only be used to go after critics of isreal while actual nazis will continue to do it openly, thats how it works here
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Jul 21, 2018 00:19
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Willie Tomg posted:this already happens, lol
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Jul 21, 2018 00:21
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at the very loving least, back in the day you could go to Online and find out what happened and correlate it with the news sources of record looking ahead, its really just going to be one State Media and the Astroturf Crazies vs another. it sucks.
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Jul 21, 2018 00:23
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ugh is anyone even calling for the govt to step in? i mean id like facebook to be illegal in toto but lol at expecting the us govt to do anything correctly
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Jul 21, 2018 00:35
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well, the government is actively lobbying facebook to give fox news and infowars and other poo poo special treatment
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Jul 21, 2018 01:12
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Jul 21, 2018 01:42
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Shear Modulus posted:well, the government is actively lobbying facebook to give fox news and infowars and other poo poo special treatment facebook is already giving them special treatment though? i mean yeah putting their current practices into law would be bad, and honestly i think the american goverment should be banned too but idk what to do
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Jul 21, 2018 02:26
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comedyblissoption posted:praying for your capitalist overlords to politically police speech on their platforms means theyre gonna start banning communists and socialists and anti-capitalists lol Never heard of McCarthy?
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Jul 21, 2018 02:38
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comedyblissoption posted:praying for your capitalist overlords to politically police speech on their platforms means theyre gonna start banning communists and socialists and anti-capitalists lol they already ban anti-racists for things like posting screencaps of threats that racists made against them
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Jul 21, 2018 02:41
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its funny how leftists pretend things couldnt get any worse if chuds and neoliberals stopped idolizing free speech
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Jul 21, 2018 05:15
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Mercrom posted:its funny how leftists pretend things couldnt get any worse if chuds and neoliberals stopped idolizing free speech idgi things can definitely get worse and probably will whether or not chuds/libs stop idolizing freeze peach
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Jul 21, 2018 05:37
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Mercrom posted:its funny how leftists pretend things couldnt get any worse if chuds and neoliberals stopped idolizing free speech lol it's only free speech for right wing shitheads. the free speech defenders never stick up for leftists and if you paid attention you would loving know this fact by now you moron
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Jul 21, 2018 05:49
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lmao when the time is right the ruling class is gonna advocate "common sense" free speech restrictions just so they can excuse the banning of anti-capitalist speech later
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Jul 21, 2018 06:02
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Mercrom posted:lmao yes, everyone know this why are you pretending like this is some deep insight
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Jul 21, 2018 06:31
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its not deep insight its speculation. i dont even think its very likely but the risk is bad enough that imo we shouldnt actively encourage the zuck to limit what the plebs can say
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Jul 21, 2018 06:38
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thats very different from the govt stepping in fuckerberg is already putting a ton of limits on what people can say, and terribly wrong limits too (more left-wing speech is curbed than right-wing) since theyre curbing free speech  , they might as well do it in a less harmful way.
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Jul 21, 2018 06:46
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ugh double post
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Jul 21, 2018 06:46
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Main Paineframe posted:i forget, is this the thread where we make fun of Zuck? because his sister decided to weigh in on his Holocaust denial comments Rich Jews nowadays will literally defend Holocaust denial unironically. I literally can't even. What the gently caress. We live in hell already.
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Jul 21, 2018 06:54
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I'm not saying I want Facebook to suppress speech any more than it does, but I am saying that any Jew who defends literal Holocaust denial is a traitor to our people, and to all of humanity.
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Jul 21, 2018 07:07
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im sure the rich jews who are abetting holocaust denial have nothing to worry about, the nazis that they are enabling certainly won't turn on them as soon as they can.
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Jul 21, 2018 07:09
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