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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:i get that biden is polling highest right now but it seems insane to me that people think he’s actually realistically #1 right now given #metoo and the leftward swing it feels like we’re in you have a lot more faith than me in dem leaderships willingness to overlook those things
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Al! posted:you have a lot more faith than me in dem leaderships willingness to overlook those things The Dem leadership's grip on things is getting awfully weak though. That may change by 2020, but let's hope it doesn't.
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Willa Rogers posted:at the beginning of 2003, joe lieberman was polling the highest among dem candidates. lmao that’s amazing, is there polling collected somewhere of top presidential candidates 2+ years out? on a related note it was fun to see forecaster harry enten melt down bc people didn’t grasp the nuances of his logic putting biden at 1, and then drop bernie at 5 bc he’s an old white dude
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Al! posted:you have a lot more faith than me in dem leaderships willingness to overlook those things not sure how much sway the leadership has over the primary voters anymore tho
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:not sure how much sway the leadership has over the primary voters anymore tho i should say dem leadership and the average dem primary voter remember that if biden runs obama comes out to campaign for him
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:lmao that’s amazing, is there polling collected somewhere of top presidential candidates 2+ years out? pollingreport.com keeps all their old polls, I think; they have a search feature, too.
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GalacticAcid posted:see now, this is good messaging https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9xz4YkUurQ
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GalacticAcid posted:New Ides to Make Democrats the Party of the Future the rage i cannot process this
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjHgiG9NGIU cursed video
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quote:Third Way’s polling shows an advantage over what it called the "Sanders-style message" — 46% of voters said the government’s focus should be on “policies that spread opportunity to more people and places,” compared to 25% who said “policies that address income inequality.” when i hear "policies that spread opportunity", i definitely think of loans, Social Security But Wall Street Takes a Cut, and a work camp for grandma
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New IDeas to Make DipnDots the ICE Cream of the Future A modern ICE cream must take the challenges and opportunities of the 21st century head on. We recently issued 12 bold policy ideas for the ICE cream economy that would do just that. They would all provide Americans with the opportunity to eat a good ICE cream. One idea, to become the official sponsor of ICE,
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this is my favorite poo poo via politico: President Bill Clinton veered sharply off message Thursday, telling CNN that Mitt Romney's business record at Bain Capital was "sterling." "I don't think that we ought to get into the position where we say 'This is bad work. This is good work,'" Clinton said. "The man who has been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold." Clinton also went on to say that Romney's time at Bain Capital represented a "good business career." The Obama campaign is in the third week of an all-out assault on Romney's time as a corporate buyout specialist — accusing the GOP nominee of bankrupting companies and laying off workers all while pocketing a profit for himself and investors. But the negative tenor of their attacks on an influential segment of Wall Street have made some Democrats uncomfortable. Clinton is the highest profile Obama surrogate so far to show discomfort with the attacks on Bain, with the former president even praising the company and Romney's record. Newark mayor Cory Booker and Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick also both declined to press the attack against Bain. In Booker's case, he released a YouTube video clarifying his comments after calling the Obama attacks (and Republican counter-attacks on Obama) "nauseating" — all while being publicly chastised by top Obama staffers.
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GalacticAcid posted:...are you contending that stalin was a liberal Nixon was a liberal. He pushed for healthcare reform and established the EPA
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"centrism dot biz" is an A+/S- tier username tbqh
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Just run somebody with charisma who says they care about economic justice, but is lying. The Obama 2008 method.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Nixon was a liberal. He pushed for healthcare reform and established the EPA this take has been around for a long time and i get why it has contrarian appeal it obfuscates historical realities & context though
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GalacticAcid posted:this take has been around for a long time and i get why it has contrarian appeal it does! which is why I find it so funny
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The Little Kielbasa posted:Just run somebody with charisma who says they care about economic justice, but is lying. The Obama 2008 method. That's what's so  about the current state of the Dems - they can't even do that.
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Majorian posted:That's what's so Saying they care about the economy/workers implies Obama didn't do enough for them so oh hey Russians!!
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hello fellow suck zoners, I think I'm gonna run for office as a democrat, here are my signature platforms 1. tax credits for energy efficient dishwashers 2. ethically sourced quinoa for all goverment buildings 3. a non-binding resolution saying that ICE agents are mean and we'd like them to behave better when caging babies can someone point me to the nearest $200/hour DNC approved consultant?
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The Nastier Nate posted:hello fellow suck zoners, I think I'm gonna run for office as a democrat, here are my signature platforms lose that third point, you don't want to drive away the moderate republicans
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The tragedy of school vouchers is they actually would be better than our current system IF you had simple laws that schools couldn't refuse students or charge more for academic activities than the voucher amount. But that defeats the purpose for most supporters because they just want a system where their kids won't have to be around blacks/poors
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Jeb! Repetition posted:The tragedy of school vouchers is they actually would be better than our current system IF you had simple laws that schools couldn't refuse students or charge more for academic activities than the voucher amount. But that defeats the purpose for most supporters because they just want a system where their kids won't have to be around blacks/poors I don't agree, I think having multiple "competing" schools would just dilute the quality overall even given those stipulations. What leads you to this conclusion though?
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id be ok with voucher schools if they were owned and the profits were shared among the teachers that taught at them
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mastershakeman posted:Saying they care about the economy/workers implies Obama didn't do enough for them so oh hey Russians!! its not very hard to say "obama saved us from hitting a situation worse than the great depression, now with the stable platform im gonna put more money in your pockets" somehow hillary hosed up this extremely easy messaging
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anime was right posted:its not very hard to say "obama saved us from hitting a situation worse than the great depression, now with the stable platform im gonna put more money in your pockets" somehow hillary hosed up this extremely easy messaging because she honestly didnt think the economy was bad
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anime was right posted:its not very hard to say "obama saved us from hitting a situation worse than the great depression, now with the stable platform im gonna put more money in your pockets" somehow hillary hosed up this extremely easy messaging That is a good argument from her end, but I still don't think the bailout was a good idea
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Because it wasn't.
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GalacticAcid posted:I don't agree, I think having multiple "competing" schools would just dilute the quality overall even given those stipulations. What leads you to this conclusion though? Having worked in multiple school districts, sometimes school cultures become so endemically toxic that it's more realistic to build a new school culture from the ground up.
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How many school vouchers do u need to exchange for a degree
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ThndrShk2k posted:Because it wasn't. right, the point here was to lie. even if, god forbid, she thought the economy was "fine" making everyone think they'll be richer is kind of like one of the easiest ways to get elected but i guess donors dont want her to lie about giving money to the Normies vOv
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Calibanibal posted:How many school vouchers do u need to exchange for a degree you pay for 9 school vouchers but one the 10th you get a free textbook
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hillary was real dumb op
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crippling case of third way brainworms
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The Nastier Nate posted:hello fellow suck zoners, I think I'm gonna run for office as a democrat, here are my signature platforms 1 is good, or at least a good start, but we need people to have some skin in the game so we need to limit these tax credits to dishwashers at startups. 2, I worry that no one actually knows how to pronounce quinoa or what it is so we're going to need you to fully fund and run these ads through our partner ad agency about quinoa and its advantages for data center consolidation. 3, as my colleague Doctor Modulus has indicated, is just going to drive away moderate Republicans whose votes are ours by divine right. That said, I guess people are kind of angry about this babies in cages thing...oh. Oh, I've got it. Pledge your support to a bipartisan congressional investigation into Russian infiltration of ICE and the Russian subversion of our baby prisons. Did you know that more than half of those babies we're torturing are actually Russian spies? It's really disturbing stuff, I know. That will be ten thousand dollars.
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The thing about the common "oh, they paid it back and we made a $15.3 billion profit on $426.4 billion invested after six years" defense of the bailout is that it doesn't account for inflation, normally when banks give loans to us, they get compounding interest on it and a lot more profit than 3.5% for all that risk, or 0.5% per year, especially considering the mortgages were worthless. The profit is also never reported as having taken into account inflation. Federal Reserve Vice Chairman Alan Blinder and Moody's Analytics Chief Economist Mark Zandi claim the financial crisis would have been much worse without it, but I figure that doesn't mean they couldn't have addressed the financial crisis another way.
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I like John Lanchester's recent essay on the crisis / bailout, ten years later -- After the Fall in the LRB. It might ask you to submit an email to read it, you can use a fake one. If that doesn't work and you really want it, PM me. Lancester posted:The immediate economic consequence was the bailout of the banks. I’m not sure if it’s philosophically possible for an action to be both necessary and a disaster, but that in essence is what the bailouts were. They were necessary, I thought at the time and still think, because this really was a moment of existential crisis for the financial system, and we don’t know what the consequences would have been for our societies if everything had imploded. But they turned into a disaster we are still living through. The first and probably most consequential result of the bailouts was that governments across the developed world decided for political reasons that the only way to restore order to their finances was to resort to austerity measures. The financial crisis led to a contraction of credit, which in turn led to economic shrinkage, which in turn led to declining tax receipts for governments, which were suddenly looking at sharply increasing annual deficits and dramatically increasing levels of overall government debt. So now we had austerity, which meant that life got harder for a lot of people, but – this is where the negative consequences of the bailout start to be really apparent – life did not get harder for banks and for the financial system. In the popular imagination, the people who caused the crisis got away with it scot-free, and, as what scientists call a first-order approximation, that’s about right. It's oriented towards the consequences in the UK but situates that within a global / transatlantic context.
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