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got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

MonsieurChoc posted:

You know what, the more this goes on, the more I think suicide bombers might have had a point.

if you're dying anyway...

# ? Jul 19, 2018 22:49

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# ? May 24, 2024 16:10

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

Zas posted:

https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1004063051383910400

It's cool that the new Hasbara is to pretend discriminitely murdering hundreds of people is better than indiscriminitely killing no one.

# ? Jul 20, 2018 05:45

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Zas posted:

https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1004063051383910400

Nice anti-Semitism

# ? Jul 20, 2018 18:07

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

Israel-Palestine negotiation status: the Trump administration team for solving the conflict forever is busy writing WaPo articles about how Hamas needs to voluntarily dissolve itself

https://twitter.com/jdgreenblatt45/status/1020092880390688775

# ? Jul 20, 2018 19:03

Willie Tomg: Feb 2, 2006

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/antifa_jlm/status/1019963145245167618

lmao conservative rabbis are too left for israel

# ? Jul 20, 2018 19:15

Bear Retrieval Unit: Nov 5, 2009; Mudslide Experiment

reminder that unless you're an orthodox, the official position of the state of israel is that you're a second tier garbage jew that may as well be a gentile.

# ? Jul 20, 2018 19:38

Bear Retrieval Unit: Nov 5, 2009; Mudslide Experiment

btw israel is currently bombing the gently caress out of gaza and there are talks of a large scale operation. I guess bibi wants a victory lap after passing the apartheid law.

# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:13

Tubgoat: Jun 30, 2013; by sebmojo

Rofl, loving Jared Kushner. In a less chaotic evil world, having that name attached to anything should discredit it entirely pending a thorough peer-reviewed study, and even then I wouldn't be so sure.

# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:19

qkkl: Jul 1, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

the basic law passed 62-55, yet i'm reading that basic laws need a super-majority to be passed. something doesn't seem right...

# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:21

the bitcoin of weed: Nov 1, 2014

Bear Retrieval Unit posted:

btw israel is currently bombing the gently caress out of gaza and there are talks of a large scale operation. I guess bibi wants a victory lap after passing the apartheid law.

things are real rough right now. israel has closed off the main commercial entry into gaza for long enough for people to start running out of gas

e: for a few days now

https://twitter.com/MuhammadSmiry/status/1019338311398240256?s=19
https://twitter.com/MuhammadSmiry/status/1019214573134663680?s=19

and now they're getting into bombings

the bitcoin of weed has issued a correction as of 21:27 on Jul 20, 2018

# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:22

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

Willie Tomg posted:

lmao conservative rabbis are too left for israel

conservative Judaism is basically the centrist version of Judaism, which was founded as a middle ground between traditional Orthodox Judaism and the fairly liberal Reform Judaism

Israel officially refuses to recognize anything to the left of Orthodox Judaism, and has instead let most of its religious authorities fall under the control of Haredi Judaism, which is usually described as "ultra-Orthodox", and which I would describe as "far-right and extremely regressive"

a brief comparison:

in Reform Judaism, women are treated equally to men. they can be rabbis, and also count as a "worshipper" for the purposes of religious activities which require a certain number of worshippers
in Conservative Judaism, women aren't allowed to be rabbis but can be counted as worshippers
in Orthodox Judaism, women aren't allowed to be rabbis, aren't included in the worshipper count, and are required to be in a segregated prayer area apart from the men, which is separated by a physical barrier blocking the two genders from seeing each other
in Haredi Judaism, all of the Orthodox restrictions apply, plus women are also not allowed to sing within earshot of a man, are not allowed to sit next to a man on public transit, and are edited out of mixed-gender photos that are displayed in public

most American and European Jews are Reform or Conservative. Israel is dominated by Orthodox and Haredi Jews

# ? Jul 20, 2018 22:02

GWBBQ: Jan 2, 2005

Lieberman to UN: Hamas is deteriorating the situation for themselves.

I guess they just need stop punching themselves and everything will be fine.

# ? Jul 20, 2018 22:18

Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

a sniper managed to kill a coward border soldier so now snipers are bad and deaths mean something and war needs to happen and what do you mean but sniper casualties in the great march of return?

# ? Jul 20, 2018 22:32

qkkl: Jul 1, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

Main Paineframe posted:

conservative Judaism is basically the centrist version of Judaism, which was founded as a middle ground between traditional Orthodox Judaism and the fairly liberal Reform Judaism

Israel officially refuses to recognize anything to the left of Orthodox Judaism, and has instead let most of its religious authorities fall under the control of Haredi Judaism, which is usually described as "ultra-Orthodox", and which I would describe as "far-right and extremely regressive"

a brief comparison:

in Reform Judaism, women are treated equally to men. they can be rabbis, and also count as a "worshipper" for the purposes of religious activities which require a certain number of worshippers

in Conservative Judaism, women aren't allowed to be rabbis but can be counted as worshippers

in Orthodox Judaism, women aren't allowed to be rabbis, aren't included in the worshipper count, and are required to be in a segregated prayer area apart from the men, which is separated by a physical barrier blocking the two genders from seeing each other

in Haredi Judaism, all of the Orthodox restrictions apply, plus women are also not allowed to sing within earshot of a man, are not allowed to sit next to a man on public transit, and are edited out of mixed-gender photos that are displayed in public

most American and European Jews are Reform or Conservative. Israel is dominated by Orthodox and Haredi Jews

from my interpretation the Haredi restrictions were more on the men than the women, as in it is men that aren't allowed to sit next to women, not the other way around.

# ? Jul 20, 2018 22:34

Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

the poor fellows must be very distraught having to pen up their women like cattle

# ? Jul 20, 2018 22:37

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

qkkl posted:

from my interpretation the Haredi restrictions were more on the men than the women, as in it is men that aren't allowed to sit next to women, not the other way around.

that's probably the case in the actual religious-legal arguments, but as actually practiced in the real world, men hold the social and political power and use it to silo women out of the way so that they don't have to engage in the inconvenience of avoiding women in shared spaces

many Haredi neighborhoods feature gender-segregated buses or even gender-segregated sidewalks

note that this happens not only in Israel, but in the US as well. yes, it's super illegal in both countries, but Haredi communities tend to be cultishly close-knit and thus punch way above their weight politically. so private companies usually play along with their demands and local government tends to turn a blind eye

one article that summarizes it briefly but decently:
https://forward.com/news/144987/sex-segregation-spreads-among-orthodox/

quote:

When a recent online exposé revealed that women on a city-franchised bus were required to sit in the back, those who seemed to be least outraged were the women who actually ride the bus and live in the two heavily Orthodox Brooklyn neighborhoods it connects.

“It never bothered me,” said Rachel Freier, a lawyer from Boro Park who rides another segregated bus to Manhattan from her summer home in the Orthodox enclave of Kiryas Joel. “It is not that I feel I am being segregated. As a woman, it is my own sphere of privacy.”

The revelation that gender segregation was enforced on a bus franchised by the city raised the hackles of New York officials, who soon pressured the private bus company holding the city franchise to reverse its policy. But to many who live in the ultra-Orthodox world, the practice of sex segregation, which appears to be spreading increasingly into the public sphere in Orthodox communities, is an unremarkable fact.

In early October, in the largely Hasidic community of Williamsburg, Yiddish signs hung on trees shading public sidewalks instructing women, “Precious Jewish daughter, please move to the side when a man approaches.” The signs, whose existence was first highlighted on the website Failed Messiah, were eventually taken down by city workers because it is illegal to place private signage on public trees.

But in New Square, N.Y., a Hasidic enclave upstate, similar signs remain posted, and residents walk streets strictly divided by gender, with women on one side and men on the other. Local women are also not allowed to drive, though this restriction stems from their deference to rabbinic decree and communal pressure rather than from injunctions promoted via public means.

Orthodox individuals interviewed by the Forward insisted they were hewing to age-old traditions by separating men and women in public spaces. But outside observers said that the gender segregation on city buses — as well as other recent incidents — pointed to the fact that sex separation in the Haredi world has become more entrenched in recent years. What’s more, they say, by taking these practices from private worship halls and extending them into public spaces like buses and streets, the ultra-Orthodox community is asserting itself in new ways, staking its claim as a cultural force of American life.

“What is special about this isn’t the segregation of sexes, but the segregation in the public domain,” said Samuel Heilman, a sociologist at Queens College who has written extensively on the ultra-Orthodox. “That didn’t happen before. They separated men and women, but they would have never thought to do it on turf that isn’t completely theirs. They are saying, ‘We own the street, we own the bus, we own the public square.’”

On October 18, Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism’s news site, New York World, first reported that a woman boarding the bus was told forcefully by the other passengers to move to the back. A follow-up report in The New York Times noted that the rule consigning women to the back was posted in writing on the bus, as well.

Though operated by a private, Orthodox-owned company, the number B110 bus, which runs between Boro Park and Williamsburg, trolls a public bus route that the city awarded to the company as a franchise in a competitive bidding process. It must, therefore, play by the city’s rules, which, in line with local and federal public accommodation laws, bar discrimination on the basis of gender or race.

The story was widely reported in the media and garnered a response from Mayor Michael Bloomberg at a press conference: “Private people: you can have a private bus. Go rent a bus, and do what you want on it.” On city buses, he said, sex segregation was “obviously not permitted.”

For many in the secular world, the Boro Park/Williamsburg bus story evoked memories of civil rights activist Rosa Parks, who refused to sit at the back of the bus in Montgomery, Ala., during the era of legal segregation in the South. But for Haredim, the practice of sex segregation on private and public buses alike has a reference point in Israel.

In Jerusalem, gender segregation on city buses has been a flashpoint of controversy for years, pitting Haredi Jews who want separate-gender seating on bus lines against their secular counterparts. In early October, the Israeli transportation minister said that while the Haredi were free to do what they wanted on private buses, the Israeli government could not enforce segregation on city lines.

According to Gershom Gorenberg, author of the upcoming book “The Unmaking of Israel,” pressure for sex segregation in public spaces is part of a ramped-up religious vigilance in the Haredi world, caused in part by a lack of passed-down direct knowledge of how traditional Jews in earlier generations actually lived day to day. Many such religious and cultural practices were obliterated during the Holocaust, he said, and in their absence, Haredi communities in Israel and beyond have adopted a “stricter is better” approach to Jewish, or halachic, law.

In fact, they are innovations, Gorenberg said. “What I think is remarkable about this is that it is taking place in a community which is declaredly conservative and anti-innovation,” he said.

According to Heilman, when American Haredi Jews visit their Israeli counterparts, a kind of cultural cross-pollination takes place, with New Yorkers adopting the practices of their peers in the Holy Land.

“In Brooklyn they are getting their cue from Israel,” he said. “The difference is that in Israel, it is a Jewish state.”

In America, he said, the significance of the practice is more subtle. Signs, such as those posted in Williamsburg urging women to step aside when men approach, promote communitywide norms with which the observant, and even the non-observant, feel bound to comply. By this means, Heilman said, Haredi Jews extend religious rules to public spaces, thus flexing their muscles as major players in American cultural life.

Ezra Friedlander, a Boro Park native and CEO of the public relations firm the Friedlander Group, disagreed, saying that the community’s rules were not meant to apply to outsiders. In the case of the Williamsburg/Boro Park bus, he said, the Haredi Jews who ride it were likely unaware that they were riding a public bus instead of a private one. Now that they know, he said, they won’t be caught off guard should a secular woman decide to sit in the front with the men.

“Now that people know that it is a city franchise, I think everyone will understand that you sit on a Boro Park/Williamsburg bus the same way you will sit on a New York City subway,” he said. “If men and women of their own volition choose to sit in separate areas, you can’t blame them for that. If a woman wants to sit where she wants to sit, that is a right that should be protected.”

“At the end of the day, secular law has to carry the day,” he added.

Friedlander also contested the characterization of gender segregation in public spaces as a new phenomenon, noting that segregated buses have always traversed the Boro Park streets. Freier agreed, saying the phenomenon is an outgrowth of long-held laws of modesty, which permeate every aspect of Haredi life. “It has always been this way,” she said. “There is no resentment. This is how we have been raised, and we are happy.”

# ? Jul 20, 2018 22:54

Willie Tomg: Feb 2, 2006

quote:

Ezra Friedlander, a Boro Park native and CEO of the public relations firm the Friedlander Group, disagreed, saying that the community�s rules were not meant to apply to outsiders. In the case of the Williamsburg/Boro Park bus, he said, the Haredi Jews who ride it were likely unaware that they were riding a public bus instead of a private one. Now that they know, he said, they won�t be caught off guard should a secular woman decide to sit in the front with the men.

�Now that people know that it is a city franchise, I think everyone will understand that you sit on a Boro Park/Williamsburg bus the same way you will sit on a New York City subway,� he said. �If men and women of their own volition choose to sit in separate areas, you can�t blame them for that. If a woman wants to sit where she wants to sit, that is a right that should be protected.�

�At the end of the day, secular law has to carry the day,� he added.

Friedlander also contested the characterization of gender segregation in public spaces as a new phenomenon, noting that segregated buses have always traversed the Boro Park streets. Freier agreed, saying the phenomenon is an outgrowth of long-held laws of modesty, which permeate every aspect of Haredi life. �It has always been this way,� she said. �There is no resentment. This is how we have been raised, and we are happy.�

literally forgetting mid-interview that his overall objective was to avoid comparisons to Jim Crow

# ? Jul 20, 2018 23:30

qkkl: Jul 1, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

Main Paineframe posted:

that's probably the case in the actual religious-legal arguments, but as actually practiced in the real world, men hold the social and political power and use it to silo women out of the way so that they don't have to engage in the inconvenience of avoiding women in shared spaces

many Haredi neighborhoods feature gender-segregated buses or even gender-segregated sidewalks

note that this happens not only in Israel, but in the US as well. yes, it's super illegal in both countries, but Haredi communities tend to be cultishly close-knit and thus punch way above their weight politically. so private companies usually play along with their demands and local government tends to turn a blind eye

one article that summarizes it briefly but decently:
https://forward.com/news/144987/sex-segregation-spreads-among-orthodox/

it is possible for a society to strictly follow Haredi Judaic law and not be misogynistic, for example by satisfying the gender-segregation requirements by putting all the burden on the men. but in that case it would be a misandristic society, which funnily enough Chrome doesn't even recognize as a word.

# ? Jul 20, 2018 23:40

Bear Retrieval Unit: Nov 5, 2009; Mudslide Experiment

qkkl posted:

it is possible for a society to strictly follow Haredi Judaic law and not be misogynistic, for example by satisfying the gender-segregation requirements by putting all the burden on the men. but in that case it would be a misandristic society, which funnily enough Chrome doesn't even recognize as a word.

there is no burden on the men in haredi society. the woman is usually the one working to provide for the man who spends all day studying the Torah with his buddies.

# ? Jul 21, 2018 06:41

Hedenius: Aug 23, 2007

The only democracy in the Middle East.

# ? Jul 21, 2018 07:40

reignonyourparade: Nov 15, 2012

Zas posted:

https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1004063051383910400

I can't believe Don Hughes actually made a good tweet.

# ? Jul 21, 2018 07:42

Grondoth: Feb 18, 2011

2016 on has really been just throwing back the curtains on everything huh

# ? Jul 21, 2018 12:51

420 Gank Mid: Dec 26, 2008; WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!

qkkl posted:

it is possible for a society to strictly follow Haredi Judaic law and not be misogynistic, for example by satisfying the gender-segregation requirements by putting all the burden on the men.

lmao if you could find a single haredi scholar who'd agree with you on that

Israel is almost as misogynist as it is racist.

# ? Jul 21, 2018 17:36

Tubgoat: Jun 30, 2013; by sebmojo

420 Gank Mid posted:

lmao if you could find a single haredi scholar who'd agree with you on that

Israel is almost as misogynist as it is racist.

Almost like it's some quality inherent to fascism... :thunk:

# ? Jul 21, 2018 17:40

RaySmuckles: Oct 14, 2009; Grimey Drawer

this thread is the worst

is there a more depressing circumstance in all the world than the plight of the palestinians?

dti

# ? Jul 22, 2018 00:01

Tubgoat: Jun 30, 2013; by sebmojo

Tangentially related to their plight, nearly as depressing: the fact that Americans who are even aware anything is happening over there are "both sides"ing like it's about to come back in style. E.g. my cretinous father. :smithicide:

# ? Jul 22, 2018 00:03

420 Gank Mid: Dec 26, 2008; WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!

Tubgoat posted:

Tangentially related to their plight, nearly as depressing: the fact that Americans who are even aware anything is happening over there are "both sides"ing like it's about to come back in style. E.g. my cretinous father.

It would be an incredible improvement over present circumstances if anyone in power in the US were willing to give even a portion of the blame to Israel

# ? Jul 22, 2018 00:24

Drone_Fragger: May 9, 2007

the bitcoin of weed posted:

things are real rough right now. israel has closed off the main commercial entry into gaza for long enough for people to start running out of gas

e: for a few days now

https://twitter.com/MuhammadSmiry/status/1019338311398240256?s=19
https://twitter.com/MuhammadSmiry/status/1019214573134663680?s=19

and now they're getting into bombings

Israel undoubtedly spun this as �brave IDF forces prevent another load of incendiary weapon components entering terrorist stronghold� rather than �lol we killing babies in hospitals by cutting their power�, although I imagine either story is equally palatable to the Israeli public at this point.

# ? Jul 22, 2018 21:19

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

Cranking up the infant mortality rate is scientific management.

# ? Jul 22, 2018 22:15

megalodong: Mar 11, 2008

People can go on about how the internet was a mistake all they want, but I think it's a great thing because without it, the sole source of news about Palestine would be poo poo like this from my local newspaper (and from AP before that)

quote:

JERUSALEM (AP) - Gaza's militant Hamas rulers said Saturday they had accepted a cease-fire ending a massive Israeli onslaught on militant positions after a soldier was shot dead, once again pulling the sides back from the brink of a full-fledged war.

Israel and Hamas have fought three such wars over the past decade and Hamas agreed to the second such cease-fire in a week under heavy Egyptian and international pressure.

Even after last week's cease-fire ended the fiercest exchange of rocket fire and Israeli airstrikes since the 2014 war, incendiary kites and balloons continued to float from Gaza into Israel, setting off damaging fires to farmlands. Israel has stepped up strikes since then to signal its new threshold for engagement after months of largely refraining to act.

Israel says it has no interest is engaging in another war with Hamas, but says it will no longer tolerate the Gaza militant campaign of flying the incendiary devices into Israel.

On Friday, a Palestinian sniper killed an Israeli soldier along the border - the first casualty it has sustained in four years - and Israel unleashed an offensive it says destroyed more than 60 Hamas targets, including three battalion headquarters. Four Palestinians were killed, of which three were Hamas militants.

"The attack delivered a severe blow to the Hamas' training array, command and control abilities, weaponry, aerial defense and logistic capabilities along with additional military infrastructure," the Israeli military said in a statement, adding that the strikes "will intensify as necessary."

Israel's top leadership convened late into the night Friday at military headquarters to discuss potential actions.

In a brief statement early Saturday, Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum said the movement accepted the cease-fire brokered by Egyptian and United Nations officials and that calm had been restored. Later, the Israeli military announced a return to civilian routine along the volatile border.

U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said Saturday he was "gravely concerned" about the escalation and called on both sides to step back from the prospect of another devastating conflict.

"Any further escalation will endanger the lives of Palestinians and Israelis alike, deepen the humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza and undermine current efforts to improve livelihoods," he said.

The recent outburst of violence comes after months of near-weekly border protests organized by Hamas aimed in part at protesting the Israeli-Egyptian blockade of Gaza. Over 130 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli fire since the protests began on March 30.

Israel and Egypt have maintained a blockade on Gaza for over a decade in an attempt to weaken Hamas. The blockade has caused widespread economic hardship. Israel says the naval blockade is necessary to protect its citizens from weapons smuggling.

Israel says it is defending its sovereign border and accuses Hamas of using the protests as cover for attempts to breach the border fence and attack Israeli civilians and soldiers.

"Hamas terrorists opened fire today on Israelis. Those are not 'protesters,'" Foreign Ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon wrote Friday on Twitter. "We will not tolerate attacks endangering Israelis. Under no circumstance."

The Israeli retaliation Friday to the soldier's killing was fierce, but Hamas' response was far meeker with just a few projectiles launched that were intercepted by Israel.

Israel announced late Saturday that the casualty was Staff Sgt. Aviv Levi, a 21-year-old infantryman.

Among other things - It contradicts itself:

quote:

Even after last week's cease-fire ended the fiercest exchange of rocket fire and Israeli airstrikes since the 2014 war

quote:

The Israeli retaliation Friday to the soldier's killing was fierce, but Hamas' response was far meeker with just a few projectiles launched that were intercepted by Israel.

quote:

Israel has stepped up strikes since then to signal its new threshold for engagement after months of largely refraining to act.

quote:

Over 130 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli fire since the protests began on March 30.

And of course removes any mention of the main reason for the protests (right of return), only saying it was to do with the blockade.

Also no mention of Israeli snipers killing civilians and medics.

It's a great example of the sort of crap you get from mainstream news.

# ? Jul 23, 2018 05:48

freckle: Apr 6, 2016; by Nyc_Tattoo

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1021299907221696512

# ? Jul 23, 2018 09:02

rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

they keep tightening the screws and eventually egypt and SA aren't gonna play ball anymore

america is already floundering thanks to the US, if the US economy seriously nose dives, it'll have to contract foreign involvement, and Israel won't have anyone to back it up anymore

what happens when every other arab country starts blockading israel, and cuts them off from the med?

# ? Jul 23, 2018 09:31

Rigged Death Trap: Feb 13, 2012; BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

rudatron posted:

they keep tightening the screws and eventually egypt and SA aren't gonna play ball anymore

what happens when every other arab country starts blockading israel, and cuts them off from the med?

Lol this will never happen

# ? Jul 23, 2018 09:46

steinrokkan: Apr 2, 2011; Soiled Meat

That's not going to happen with the current regimes in Egypt and KSA.

# ? Jul 23, 2018 09:46

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

rudatron posted:

they keep tightening the screws and eventually egypt and SA aren't gonna play ball anymore

america is already floundering thanks to the US, if the US economy seriously nose dives, it'll have to contract foreign involvement, and Israel won't have anyone to back it up anymore

what happens when every other arab country starts blockading israel, and cuts them off from the med?

hahahahaha

# ? Jul 23, 2018 09:52

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

rudatron posted:

they keep tightening the screws and eventually egypt and SA aren't gonna play ball anymore

america is already floundering thanks to the US, if the US economy seriously nose dives, it'll have to contract foreign involvement, and Israel won't have anyone to back it up anymore

what happens when every other arab country starts blockading israel, and cuts them off from the med?

Samson option

# ? Jul 23, 2018 11:04

Byolante: Mar 23, 2008; by Cyrano4747

rudatron posted:

they keep tightening the screws and eventually egypt and SA aren't gonna play ball anymore

america is already floundering thanks to the US, if the US economy seriously nose dives, it'll have to contract foreign involvement, and Israel won't have anyone to back it up anymore

what happens when every other arab country starts blockading israel, and cuts them off from the med?

I think you will find Kissinger went to Syria around 1970 specifically to poison the well so this couldn't happen. Then when Ghaddafi had a crack Libya got NATO'd.

# ? Jul 23, 2018 11:06

Southpaugh: May 26, 2007; Smokey Bacon

rudatron posted:

they keep tightening the screws and eventually egypt and SA aren't gonna play ball anymore

america is already floundering thanks to the US, if the US economy seriously nose dives, it'll have to contract foreign involvement, and Israel won't have anyone to back it up anymore

what happens when every other arab country starts blockading israel, and cuts them off from the med?

This is a long time away. Palestine might not exist but, ground war, which they'll lose because the IDF aren't an army anymore so much as death squads and school yard bullies. After that nuclear exchange.

# ? Jul 23, 2018 12:20

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

freckle posted:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1021299907221696512

lol

hidden in the article is a brief, veiled mention of the real logic behind the decision: they were going to base their "rebuild Gaza's economy" plan on drawing private for-profit foreign investment to Gaza, rather than just giving foreign aid money

turns out that no one wants to invest in economic development in a place that gets bombed to rubble every 2-4 years and is subject to random tightenings of its already-harsh blockade. even the foreign aid money is starting to dry up because there's no point in just constructing new buildings for Israel to blow up

why is it being framed as a threat? well, Kushner is mad because both Palestinian factions refuse to even talk to him, but he doesn't have any way to pressure them because the US is already solidly on Israel's side. he doesn't intend to offer them any carrots, but he doesn't have any sticks to threaten them with. so he's pretty desperate right now

# ? Jul 23, 2018 17:49

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# ? May 24, 2024 16:10

Willie Tomg: Feb 2, 2006

rudatron posted:

they keep tightening the screws and eventually egypt and SA aren't gonna play ball anymore

there is no feasible material circumstance where those two nations in particular, of all the nations in the world in any kind of IR permutation, will do what you're implying. especially not on the behalf of the palestinians

the israelis and saudis have the same enemies (all muslims and muslim political groups lmfao, but particularly iran and iranian clients in the last few years) and egypt's economy is utterly intertwined with the kingdom and gulf emirates which is a key source of criticism of Sisi from within the military. the low-key intimacy between KSA and israel is a crucial thing to emerge from the SCW and was probably a topic of considerable discussion with critics of the succession back when mohamed bin-salman's Torture Radisson was open for business.

# ? Jul 23, 2018 18:05

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