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CharlestonJew posted:you have to kill the brotherhood of steel if you side with house He's satisfied if you ust blow up the bunker
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honestly first time i saw the APA mk2 in a trailer for FO3 I thought it was midwestern bos power armor always seemed like it took a strong visual influence
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Jul 21, 2018 16:09
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Cyberpunkey Monkey posted:Do you have more fun playing New Vegas or bloviating about it? Bloviating, clearly! (excellent word choice btw) Internet Wizard posted:Boy if a fascist regime being enabled by the pacifism of third parties isn’t a great commentary of the last couple years I don’t know what is. Not sure what you're referring to here. The NCR, Mr. House, and even Yesman all think the Legion is a serious problem that needs to be fought directly, the only thing holding them back is a lack of fire power. Berke Negri posted:what's everyones favorite power armor I like the one with the Vim paint job. Also, the Vim pilot girl mascot should have been named "Vikki Vim" and that entire company is an idiot for not figuring that out before getting nuked.
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Jul 21, 2018 16:10
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jfood posted:the games were cool and interesting, but then you'd try to liberate a slave camp or shoot up a casino and spend the next three hours (no saving in combat!) watching junkies and prostitutes shamble from one side of the screen to the other. You absolutely can save during combat in Fallout 1 and 2, though without the unofficial patches, there's a chance it'll corrupt your savegame.
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Jul 21, 2018 16:11
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2house2fly posted:He's satisfied if you ust blow up the bunker i'd imagine that's a bit lethal for the people in the bunker
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Jul 21, 2018 16:19
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Actually, if you read my 20.000 words
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Jul 21, 2018 16:22
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:
I was responding to the post about how the Legion is a good playthrough choice because you can be a pacifist and kill fewer people and therefore feel good about yourself.
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Jul 21, 2018 16:24
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fascist troglodytes ain't people, what house asked for wasn't murder and the courier did nothing wrong.
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Jul 21, 2018 16:30
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Internet Wizard posted:I was responding to the post about how the Legion is a good playthrough choice because you can be a pacifist and kill fewer people and therefore feel good about yourself. Oooooh now I get what you're saying. I'm not sure it counts as a pacifist run if you're not so much negotiating peace as you are indirectly (but intentionally) enabling others to kill people and blowing up buildings.
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Jul 21, 2018 16:35
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Internet Wizard posted:I was responding to the post about how the Legion is a good playthrough choice because you can be a pacifist and kill fewer people and therefore feel good about yourself. I don't think anybody said that. I think somebody said doing a legion playthrough doesn't require you to personally do anything much worse than what you'd do in other playthroughs, so doing a legion run is probably not a sign of the player being morally or mentally suspect.
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Jul 21, 2018 16:40
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cargohills posted:i'd imagine that's a bit lethal for the people in the bunker I was in the bunker and it wasn't lethal for me
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Jul 21, 2018 16:52
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2house2fly posted:I was in the bunker and it wasn't lethal for me Not everyone can guzzle a dozen stimpaks in less than a second
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Jul 21, 2018 17:03
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Oooooh now I get what you're saying. I'm not sure it counts as a pacifist run if you're not so much negotiating peace as you are indirectly (but intentionally) enabling others to kill people and blowing up buildings. It's already a person on the internet insisting that it's other people's fault that something bad happened because they wouldn't agree to compromise on their values, I don't think nuance is going to be in abundant supply.
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Jul 21, 2018 17:27
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Sheen Sheen posted:"There is far too much discussion of Fallout New Vegas in the Fallout Discussion Thread and I will not stand for it" Dude I also love New Vegas except for the ham handed BBEG bossfight ending. I think the only reason they did that is the grog contingent of the community that had collective conniptions about Liberty Prime for some incomprehensible reason. Reveilled posted:I don't think anybody said that. I think somebody said doing a legion playthrough doesn't require you to personally do anything much worse than what you'd do in other playthroughs, so doing a legion run is probably not a sign of the player being morally or mentally suspect. Do you also believe that actors who play villains are morally and mentally suspect? We're playing pretend. It's not real. There are never any real world moral concerns in a video game, ever.
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Cyberpunkey Monkey posted:Do you also believe that actors who play villains are morally and mentally suspect? We're playing pretend. It's not real. There are never any real world moral concerns in a video game, ever. While I agree with you and do normally do a bad guy run through games I just couldn't bring myself to even consider joining the Legion. They're just so impossibly awful. I can actually think of a few times when I've met somebody that was waaaaaaaaay too into being a villain or doing horrible things in a game. I think that's a major difference; "well you know, I just like to play both sides of the game before I move on" is very different from "actually I'd be doing horrible things if it weren't for the police existing so I have to do it in games." In particular Postal 2 seemed to attract people who were gleeful about the suffering of others. Thankfully New Vegas just said "by the way there are rape slaves" instead of letting you actually have rape slaves. I really don't want to think about the mentality of the kind of person who would be all "gently caress yeah, rape slaves!"
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Jul 21, 2018 18:10
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Shooting that Nazi poo poo stain in the face is the most satisfying feeling the game has to offer. One of the most memorable moments in NV for me was during my NCR playthrough. When Caesar commanded his men to give me back all my equipment so I could go into the Lucky 38 bunker I realized I had a Fat Man on me. I walked right into Caesar's tent and dropped a mini-nuke right on his lap! Clearly giving the person who by all reports is an NCR sympathizer their tactical nuclear weapons back is a smart and good idea. Obviously this person you just met would never betray you! You yelled at them to assert your dominance and everything!
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Jul 21, 2018 18:15
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Cyberpunkey Monkey posted:Do you also believe that actors who play villains are morally and mentally suspect? We're playing pretend. It's not real. There are never any real world moral concerns in a video game, ever. I think that if you derive enjoyment from games like Super Seducer, or a hentai visual novel where you gently caress kids, you're probably a bad person. I think if you play a baddie in Fallout New Vegas, that doesn't really say much about you.
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you're prob like a bit hosed up if you fondly remember the tear apart an enslaved childs teddy bear in front of her quest tho
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Jul 21, 2018 18:59
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That was just Obsidian's nod to BioWare style "moral choice" binaries.
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Jul 21, 2018 19:14
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Cyberpunkey Monkey posted:Do you also believe that actors who play villains are morally and mentally suspect? We're playing pretend. It's not real. There are never any real world moral concerns in a video game, ever. I don't know if this is the greatest comparison. Being an actor paid to be in a production is a lot different than what you do for fun after work. I couldn't bring myself to do a Legion playthrough. Torture and slavery are just too far for me. That said, I agree that doing a Legion playthrough doesn't automatically make you a creep. As has been said, it really only starts to raise concerns when you start fantasizing about The Legion being real.
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Arcsquad12 posted:That was just Obsidian's nod to BioWare style "moral choice" binaries. I assume it was a reference to Fallout 2 where you could do the same thing with a Mr. Nixon doll.
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Jul 21, 2018 22:51
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I like how people wring their hands over killing the Brotherhood of Steel but are ok with killing Legion cause they're fascists
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Jul 21, 2018 23:43
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Decided to replay the fallouts 3 onwards because I never played the dlc for any of them. Fallout 3 is going okay, but it's making me realise how much better the combat is in 4. Also I'm about to go do the DLC as I've nearly finished the main game and I'm. Or looking forward to NV. I want to play the DLC for it but I really cbf leveling up. I would have done tale of two wastelands but I wanted graphic mods for f3 and NV.
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Jul 21, 2018 23:50
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Byzantine posted:I like how people wring their hands over killing the Brotherhood of Steel but are ok with killing Legion cause they're fascists In New Vegas the BoS isn't going around murder raping everyone and is willing to change their ways, welcome peace. The BoS in Fallout 4 however are much less sympathetic.
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Jul 21, 2018 23:56
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The only bit of regret I have with blowing up the Prydwen is that the one chief Scribe dude has a cat on board
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Byzantine posted:I like how people wring their hands over killing the Brotherhood of Steel but are ok with killing Legion cause they're fascists The gently caress are you talking about? In New Vegas The Brotherhood of Steel are largely isolationists, meanwhile the Legion is actively raping and murdering everyone they come across with the ultimate goal of taking over the entire area. They are not two equally bad groups, one is clearly worse.
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2house2fly posted:Siding with House is the only way to do a no-kill run since every other path requires you to kill House, which makes House the best morally Not your fault if nature takes it course after that. He probably should have had "environment isolation controls" and "direct control of killer robots" things that could be disabled separately.
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I just bought Fallout 4 GOTY, and I've been going through it blind. I had a question, and I didn't want to accidentally hit a spoiler by looking it up, so I hoped somebody here could enlighten me: I was wandering east of Sanctuary, and I found a crashed Vertibird, with a partial set of power armour nearby. I think it was missing the helmet and an arm or leg? Anyway, I checked the area and didn't see the missing parts anywhere. Did I just not look carefully enough, or are they somewhere else? Thanks.
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Not sure it's necessary to spoiler anything at this point, but to answer your question that's not unusual. You will often come across power armour frames that have pieces missing, you'll just have to keep searching to get a full set. I seem to remember that one usually showing up as a complete set but maybe I'm just remembering wrong. Either way there are others nearby, don't worry.
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it's ridiculous how early and often Fallout 4 throws power armor at you. I think in the Nuka World DLC alone there are four sets and two of them are unique.
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Psychotic Weasel posted:Not sure it's necessary to spoiler anything at this point, but to answer your question that's not unusual. You will often come across power armour frames that have pieces missing, you'll just have to keep searching to get a full set. Thanks for the answer. I know spoiler tags aren't needed. FO4 has been out for a while, but I'm sure there's folks like myself who have just finally picked up the game on sale, like I did. Just trying to be considerate. 
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SwitchbladeKult posted:In New Vegas the BoS isn't going around murder raping everyone and is willing to change their ways, welcome peace. https://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Follower%27s_outpost Veronica's whole quest is about how the BoS is unwilling to change, and they only "welcome peace" so long as the NCR can stomp on them. The instant that goes away, they're back to conquering territory and being dicks about laser pistols.
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Though you can argue that the existence of Veronica is an indication that there are members of the brotherhood who aren't knobheads, despite their leadership being much more conservative. Whereas I don't think there are people in the legion who are only into a little bit of murderrape and only crucify half the people they come across. The brotherhood ultimately are portrayed as a somewhat complex faction struggling to adapt to a change in environment that their founding principles did not anticipate, whereas the legion is literally just chaotic evil personified and run by a literal madman who likes cosplaying a roman. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Jul 22, 2018 |
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SwitchbladeKult posted:I don't know if this is the greatest comparison. Being an actor paid to be in a production is a lot different than what you do for fun after work. So an amateur actor who acts in community plays is morally culpable for the actions of their characters? That is ridiculous. Does a highly paid professional babyraper get a free pass? Because, "It's just my job, man." I'd argue that people are even more morally culpable for the actions they take for financial reward. "It's just business," is the cry of the most heinous evil in society. The only possible moral concern with video games is the opportunity cost where you could be doing something else more beneficial, and maybe griefing and bullying in online games, but that is a more complicated social issue. I get that you are really into role playing your way through these kinds of video games.... honestly me too. The psychodrama of an RPG is why they are so fun! But, when you are done with the game, let it go! And definitely don't judge other people's moral being based on the choices they make in video games!
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The Zombie Guy posted:I just bought Fallout 4 GOTY, and I've been going through it blind. I had a question, and I didn't want to accidentally hit a spoiler by looking it up, so I hoped somebody here could enlighten me: No, that's normal. Some of the suits in various places spawn only partly equipped, especially if you're low level or in an early game area. That one in particular tends to be in horrible condition. Former Human posted:it's ridiculous how early and often Fallout 4 throws power armor at you. I think in the Nuka World DLC alone there are four sets and two of them are unique. Yeah that's one thing that gets on my nerves about Fallout 4 and how the progression works. In the other Fallout games power armor generally meant something. It wasn't something you just picked up and put on like it wasn't a big deal. It was usually gated behind the difficulty of getting your hands on a suit in the first place and in some games getting the training to use it. The Fallout 4 comes along and you can have a suit of power armor in the first hour of the game like it isn't a big deal.
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Cyberpunkey Monkey posted:So an amateur actor who acts in community plays is morally culpable for the actions of their characters? That is ridiculous. You are the weirdest goddamn dude on SA
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Cyberpunkey Monkey posted:So an amateur actor who acts in community plays is morally culpable for the actions of their characters? That is ridiculous. I went to a play one time where an actor's character shot and killed another character, except they actually shot the dude and then the entire third act was him bleeding out on the asphalt because the whole play took place in an alley instead of a theater. It was a really intense story though, and they kept shouting at the audience to put their cell phones away.
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Has anybody seen an interview where T. Howard suggests that Fallout 76 will be the end of the current Fallout series as we know it, and a series reboot will follow that will be an emergent-gameplay-based MMORPG aiming for regular 18-24 month release milestones?
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