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Icarus' interactions with the player are all great. [quote]Observe your motivations for breaking the arbitrary laws of the current government. Do not miss your chance to become one of us.[./quote] After breaking into a room in the Paris hostel he commends you for doing it, says you'd be good at being a Majestic member. DX does AI personalities very well, I think. Daedalus, Icarus, Helios, and Morpheus all have interesting and distinct attitudes, but all have that detached robotic personality done perfectly. And they're willing to talk philosophy with you! Most game AIs are relatively uninteresting things, but I really love DX's.
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I'm sure I'm not the only one who played DX1, got to Hong Kong, found the Dragon Tooth Sword and went from an agent who can't shoot straight to death incarnate.
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Jul 22, 2018 01:30
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Palladium posted:I'm sure I'm not the only one who played DX1, got to Hong Kong, found the Dragon Tooth Sword and went from an agent who can't shoot straight to death incarnate. Have you heard the gospel of the one true savior, a 10mm pistol with a laser sight on it?
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Jul 22, 2018 01:33
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Have you heard the gospel of the one true savior, a 10mm pistol with a laser sight on it? Do not heed the lies of this false prophet. Prod with the prod and gep with the GEP.
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Jul 22, 2018 01:36
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Do not heed the lies of this false prophet. Prod with the prod and gep with the GEP. Though the GEP is, was, and forever will be the most silent takedown, it can’t headshot all day everyday like the 10mm.
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Jul 22, 2018 01:38
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Palladium posted:I'm sure I'm not the only one who played DX1, got to Hong Kong, found the Dragon Tooth Sword and went from an agent who can't shoot straight to death incarnate.
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Jul 22, 2018 01:38
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Casimir Radon posted:GMDX made the odd choice of having you shoot pretty straight, but nerfing the hell out of the sword. Is that the one where they split its damage into five separate hits so you couldn’t bash doors with it anymore?
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Jul 22, 2018 01:40
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Is that the one where they split its damage into five separate hits so you couldn’t bash doors with it anymore? Isn't that just Shifter?
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Jul 22, 2018 01:48
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Though the GEP is, was, and forever will be the most silent takedown, it can’t headshot all day everyday like the 10mm. It's pretty funny how comically overpowered they made the 10mm in HR, probably as a tribute, except that in the original the 10mm was never that good. Who are the people it's really good for killing? Oh, right, the good guys that you join later on. Who are the people it's really bad at killing? The actual antagonists of the game. e: jojoinnit posted:Isn't that just Shifter? Yeah, I don't think that's GMDX. In GMDX you can bash things really well if you have the strength aug and points in melee. Theoretically, you should be able to bash the electronic boxes you use multitools on too -- they have a listed strength of 80 -- but in reality they're invincible, which felt like a huge ripoff.
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Jul 22, 2018 01:50
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:It's pretty funny how comically overpowered they made the 10mm in HR, probably as a tribute, except that in the original the 10mm was never that good. Who are the people it's really good for killing? Oh, right, the good guys that you join later on. Who are the people it's really bad at killing? The actual antagonists of the game If you mod it pretty heavily the only thing it really struggles with are the power armored MJ12 dudes. It’s great against MiBs and MJ12 troopers, especially with a master pistol skill and damage mods.
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Jul 22, 2018 01:56
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Ugly In The Morning posted:If you mod it pretty heavily the only thing it really struggles with are the power armored MJ12 dudes. It’s great against MiBs and MJ12 troopers, especially with a master pistol skill and damage mods. Well, OK, I guess. But this is a game where you can fire from the hip with a sniper rifle. And you have spent your precious skill points on mastery of pistols at the cost of all the actual good skills. A newb's mistake. Save every damned point until you can advance no farther on a given path, so you can explore every nook and cranny of the levels. Combat skills are for suckers until mid-game at least. This is my objectively correct opinion.
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Jul 22, 2018 02:14
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Well, OK, I guess. But this is a game where you can fire from the hip with a sniper rifle. And you have spent your precious skill points on mastery of pistols at the cost of all the actual good skills. A newb's mistake. Save every damned point until you can advance no farther on a given path, so you can explore every nook and cranny of the levels. Combat skills are for suckers until mid-game at least. At least It doesn’t involve spending points on swimming, the objectively worst skill.
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Jul 22, 2018 02:18
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Well, OK, I guess. But this is a game where you can fire from the hip with a sniper rifle. And you have spent your precious skill points on mastery of pistols at the cost of all the actual good skills. A newb's mistake. Save every damned point until you can advance no farther on a given path, so you can explore every nook and cranny of the levels. Combat skills are for suckers until mid-game at least. Your "objectively correct" opinion suggest spending points on swimming. Meanwhile, pistol skills also make you better with the crossbow for non-lethal takedowns.
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Jul 22, 2018 02:18
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swimming is nice, i get at least trained every playthrough
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Jul 22, 2018 02:24
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gently caress you guys your talk of skill builds has made me start another playthrough
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Jul 22, 2018 02:26
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I don't think I've ever not just taken pistols, electronics and lockpicking to at least advanced on every playthrough. It's a compulsion.
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Jul 22, 2018 02:46
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chiasaur11 posted:Your "objectively correct" opinion suggest spending points on swimming. You're a coward for not facing a man by the butt before you take him down.
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Jul 22, 2018 02:59
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A non-lethal takedown is always the most silent takedown
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Jul 22, 2018 03:22
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Basic Chunnel posted:A non-lethal takedown is always the most silent takedown
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Jul 22, 2018 03:23
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Except, you know, when you tranq a dude and then he runs around panicking, hits the alarm, and brings the whole level to you. Then it's not the most silent.
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Jul 22, 2018 05:37
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They call me the gas man because all I use are gas grenades and pepper spray, and a cloud of poison follows me everywhere I go. Nobody minds the klaxons when the gas man comes around, and it doesn't matter if you're good or bad when the gas gets you. I stack the unconscious bodies like cordwood, and sometimes I gas them again for good measure. You can't find your unconscious friend when he's sleeping at the bottom of a river after the gas man got him.
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Jul 22, 2018 05:40
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aniviron posted:Except, you know, when you tranq a dude and then he runs around panicking, hits the alarm, and brings the whole level to you. Then it's not the most silent. Stick with the prod
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Jul 22, 2018 05:46
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:They call me the gas man because all I use are gas grenades and pepper spray, and a cloud of poison follows me everywhere I go. Nobody minds the klaxons when the gas man comes around, and it doesn't matter if you're good or bad when the gas gets you. I stack the unconscious bodies like cordwood, and sometimes I gas them again for good measure. You can't find your unconscious friend when he's sleeping at the bottom of a river after the gas man got him. I see I’m back in Mattoon
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Arivia posted:I see I’m back in Mattoon Those stories scared the hell out of me as a kid. Maybe that's why I developed such a fixation with gas and pepper spray when I grew older. It didn't start right away, though--it wasn't until I maced the surly child outside Battery Park and heard that strange yeowl he made, that I truly found my calling. I used to wait until he got snarky at me for not giving him candy; now I just gas/mace him preemptively. Cream-of-Plenty fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Jul 22, 2018 |
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Jul 22, 2018 06:05
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You could always just stick to the flamethrower. It's the most silent takedown after the GEP gun.
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Jul 22, 2018 06:47
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Bought Deus Ex on Steam ages ago and finally installed it today. The mouse moves reeeeally fast. Too fast. I tried turning down the sensitivity but no effect.
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Jul 22, 2018 12:21
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Well, OK, I guess. But this is a game where you can fire from the hip with a sniper rifle. And you have spent your precious skill points on mastery of pistols at the cost of all the actual good skills. A newb's mistake. Save every damned point until you can advance no farther on a given path, so you can explore every nook and cranny of the levels. Combat skills are for suckers until mid-game at least. Whenever I play DX-like games I'm obsessed about how to get through the whole game while spending the least possible resources.
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Jul 22, 2018 12:32
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Its been a while But Im pretty sure you have the MIB and power armor commandos health upside down- commandoes die way faster than MIB/WiBs do. 9/10 times a back of the neck 10mm will drop a power armor commando vs something akin to 4/10 for MiB
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Jul 22, 2018 14:15
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Prav posted:swimming is nice, i get at least trained every playthrough Yeah, it's so cheap, you might as well put some points into it to make the water sections less tedious. The real trap-skill is Medicine. Medkits are common as dirt, and you can get the regenerating health Aug very early on.
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Jul 22, 2018 14:16
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Both Swimming and Medicine are worth getting up to Trained. Swimming is hella cheap, and medkits healing 60 points instead of 30 is a major improvement.
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Jul 22, 2018 15:20
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Samuel Clemens posted:Yeah, it's so cheap, you might as well put some points into it to make the water sections less tedious. Maxed regen is amazing. I remember the first time I got it up to max and just facetanked my way through a giant firefight.
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Jul 22, 2018 15:27
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Xander77 posted:Both Swimming and Medicine are worth getting up to Trained. Swimming is hella cheap, and medkits healing 60 points instead of 30 is a major improvement. Why use an eminently available medkit when you can spend 10 minutes backtracking to the one medical robot on the map, or conveniently healing your health 1 hit point at a time from faucets? - My now thankfully changed videogame logic
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Butterfly Valley posted:Why use an eminently available medkit when you can spend 10 minutes backtracking to the one medical robot on the map, or conveniently healing your health 1 hit point at a time from faucets? - My now thankfully changed videogame logic All I need is a sink, water fountain and a soda machine and I'm my own hospital 
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The_Doctor posted:Bought Deus Ex on Steam ages ago and finally installed it today. The mouse moves reeeeally fast. Too fast. I tried turning down the sensitivity but no effect.
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aniviron posted:DX does AI personalities very well, I think. Daedalus, Icarus, Helios, and Morpheus all have interesting and distinct attitudes, but all have that detached robotic personality done perfectly. And they're willing to talk philosophy with you! Most game AIs are relatively uninteresting things, but I really love DX's. DX deserves all the praise for how ahead of its time the storytelling was. What other game of that day can you imagine dropping a casual reference to the Unabomber using his real name and simply expecting the player to pick up on it?
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aniviron posted:Except, you know, when you tranq a dude and then he runs around panicking, hits the alarm, and brings the whole level to you. Then it's not the most silent. I love the series, but I will never understand what they were thinking when they made a supposedly silent tranq crossbow that causes enemies to run around in circles screaming blue murder for 15 seconds before finally dozing off.
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JustJeff88 posted:I love the series, but I will never understand what they were thinking when they made a supposedly silent tranq crossbow that causes enemies to run around in circles screaming blue murder for 15 seconds before finally dozing off. something along the lines of "oh poo poo oh poo poo oh poo poo, we had to completely tear down our entire design framework and rebuild from alpha in order to ship in about 9 months so Ion Storm can go broke somewhat slower than it invariably will, i sure hope the MGS sequel coming out in six months doesn't do tranq weapons so much better than us to a frankly contemptuous degree that the world forgets how insanely jank our placeholder asset is"
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Karpaw posted:DX deserves all the praise for how ahead of its time the storytelling was. What other game of that day can you imagine dropping a casual reference to the Unabomber using his real name and simply expecting the player to pick up on it? What was this reference?
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Jul 23, 2018 00:00
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I'd love a game that incorporated a reality-based unconsciousness mechanism. You can use a dart gun, I guess, but it's probabilistic: maybe it'll make them go to sleep, maybe it'll make them effectively drunk while you knock them out. Maybe it'll kill them via sedative overdose. Not reliable for pacifist playthroughs. As far as choking/punching them out, they're gonna wake up in one minute like in real life, so you have to use precious moments of stealthy action to tie them up and gag them somewhere. Outside of Invisible Inc., what games do this?
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:I'd love a game that incorporated a reality-based unconsciousness mechanism. Add in “maybe they’re on bath salts and just won’t go down” and you’ve got my vote. Like, the tranq darts are annoying as far as the gameplay goes but it’s more realistic than they usually are. Even if you’re dosing someone through an IV it takes a bit for them to go down.
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