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You Am I posted:We are like Americans but without the over the top shithead Christianity. At the moment. American Christian history is the dynamic between evangelism and inspired social work. In Australia, by contrast, inspired social work is seen as the outcome of evangelism (America got Whitfield, we got Wesley). Australian Christian history follows closer to the English conflict between the individualism of Protestantism and theological hierarchy of the papacy. The English protestant movement (which came out of men being burned at stakes for translating the bible into English) later developed into atheist Enlightenment ideas (I.e. if salvation is not dependent on works than we can keep going and kill off god and replace him with humans). This is also why Australia has such a problem with the idea of Sharia (apart from racism, which is a big part): culturally, we have rejected salvation by works, and human law is different (fallable, so, open for debate and change) to the law of God.
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Jul 23, 2018 00:13
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Anidav posted:
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Jul 23, 2018 01:47
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Has NTATA been back to the indigenous community he was sworn to personally support since he got relevance deprivation? That's a question that needs an answer. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-26/indigenous-leader-urges-tony-abbott-address-disadvantage/6725014 Not in three years it would seem.  What it was all being faked for the cameras? I'm shocked. Shocked I am.The Peccadillo posted:I only date ethnic chicks, though
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-22/victorians-may-be-missing-power-bill-savings-consumer-group-says/10022816 Wow, its almost like having a competitive marketplace for an essential service only benefits providers and consistently screws the consumer? How could we have predicted this???????? This would be amazing but watch as it never happens since it would prevent these loving parasites from screwing everyone. quote:Both consumer groups argued the best way for consumers to get a fair price was for the State Government to introduce a basic service offer, as recommended by last year's review.
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Jul 23, 2018 02:00
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Wheezle posted:They’re trying so hard. They are, but its being replicated across allo news places including SBS and ABC - the reports are Shorten is losing and for the first time in two years the coalition is on the rise. Ignore this at your own peril.
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Lid posted:They are, but its being replicated across allo news places including SBS and ABC - the reports are Shorten is losing and for the first time in two years the coalition is on the rise. Ignore this at your own peril. But the polls haven't moved at all in like a year
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Jul 23, 2018 02:51
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norp posted:But the polls haven't moved at all in like a year They moved today https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-narrows-gap-but-labor-keeps-slim-lead-in-fairfax-ipsos-poll-20180722-p4zsyw.html Coalition's still behind but Shorten's going backwards and Turnbull's going forwards in areas where Labor should dominate.
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Jul 23, 2018 03:16
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For some reason I have been blocked by Troy Bramston on Twitter.
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Jul 23, 2018 03:28
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The only reasons Shorten is still opposition leader are 1) institutional support from the Labor machine (in particular the right faction) and 2) fear of reigniting Labor Chaos attacks. I don’t have any insider info but it’s fairly transparent that Albo’s stop the boats statement was intended to make him palatable to the Labor right. Additionally, I’m assuming the calculation is that if Labor loses the byelections, getting rid of a toxic leader will be worth the attack ads.
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Jul 23, 2018 04:18
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It's almost like by running a "everyone hates shorten" line for a couple of weeks everyone starts hating shorten?
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Jul 23, 2018 04:21
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I don't really think Bill Shorten is a toxic leader. He has come a long way since he started and has embraced policy in line with Corbyn and Sanders and seems to embrace a lot of what Wayne Swan is currently saying about income inequality. Heck I would even argue that the Bill Shorten of today would be a more progressive Prime Minister than the Albanese Of Tomorrow. Maybe the media has noticed this too and don't want it?
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Jul 23, 2018 04:26
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He’s a toxic leader because nobody likes him and nobody has ever liked him. He’s the quintessential labor machine candidate, in much the same way Clinton was the quintessential democrat machine candidate. That doesn’t necessarily mean either are bad people or have done something in particular wrong (though they are both bad people with bad politics), that’s just the reality of the situation, and failing to acknowledge and reckon with that because Newscorp has exacerbated the situation is dangerous.
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Jul 23, 2018 04:31
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I voted for liberals twice recently despite being a life long labour voter to try to make sure we stop letting people into this country that dont bring something positive, that skilled migration would drop and the unemployment seen in former industrial cities would be helped I pay my taxes, im not on welfare, proud to be australian But my girlfriend is from asia.. Marriage Visa costs are now 7000+ with the possibility of being rejected on numbers alone - no chance of a refund if it happens and the noose tightening everyday on the hopes and dreams of those like myself Meanwhile the very reason I voted for these lot is unchanged.. Never again Theyve turned a real issue that we all needed to act on as a nation into political fearmongering and fixed nothing
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Jul 23, 2018 04:32
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:I voted for liberals twice recently despite being a life long labour voter to try to make sure we stop letting people into this country that dont bring something positive, that skilled migration would drop and the unemployment seen in former industrial cities would be helped 
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Jul 23, 2018 04:34
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Maybe they're pushing the Shorten:Albo narrative because it deflects the attention from the trash fire that is their political performance and general humanity (see: Dutton's comments on a murder victim who isn't in even cold. although given his portfolio I'm not sure what more could be expected)
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Jul 23, 2018 04:38
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Doctor Spaceman posted:For some reason I have been blocked by Troy Bramston on Twitter. you probably said something mildly critical of Paul Keating. For reasons unclear to me I am blocked by Phillip Coorey, The Coward.
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Birdstrike posted:you probably said something mildly critical of Paul Keating. I checked and in 2012 I posted about one of his articles which was full of unattributed quotes so I called it gossip
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Jul 23, 2018 04:45
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Birdstrike posted:you probably said something mildly critical of Paul Keating. Half the time, the reason is you're following someone on twitter that they hate. It's all a bit juvenile and part of being Australian. Speaking of juveniles and politics:  This awesome cost-cutting piece of paper in my mailbox announces the new Liberal candidate for Bendigo West! Note the "30 seconds you'll regret if you actually send it" poll. You can just take a pic and text it to him (I'm drawing dicks on mine)! quote:THE Liberal Party will announce police officer and former Macedon Ranges Shire councillor Ian Ellis as the party’s candidate for Bendigo East. Awesome, he hasn't even quit his job yet! He's probably not a bad bloke but he hasn't been around long enough to make a dent (this is a recurring pattern with the Bendigo Libs), and scare-mongering doesn't work in this town, but hope springs eternal I guess.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:I voted for liberals twice recently despite being a life long labour voter to try to make sure we stop letting people into this country that dont bring something positive, that skilled migration would drop and the unemployment seen in former industrial cities would be helped A lot going on here
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Anidav posted:I don't really think Bill Shorten is a toxic leader. He has come a long way since he started and has embraced policy in line with Corbyn and Sanders and seems to embrace a lot of what Wayne Swan is currently saying about income inequality. Probably. Shorten ran an effective campaign in 2016 in the circumstances, the memory of which is probably what has kept him in the top job. He’s almost an anti-Gillard because being leader has if anything improved his politics. From my perspective the main issue facing the ALP is that they’re still running the 2016 campaign in 2018. While it improved their vote, getting up on a stage and yelling “MEDICARE” or “INEQUALITY” wasn’t enough to win in 2016 and it isn’t enough now. There needs to be some sort of vision articulated for the future that people who may not necessarily use hospitals or schools or income support can get behind. Shorten is leader and he obviously shares blame for this, but switching to Albo isn’t really going to fix this from what I’ve seen.
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Jul 23, 2018 04:58
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Playing along with the personality contest the Libs obviously want is a sure fire losing game for the ALP. What am I saying, hail Dear Leader Dutton.
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Yeah my biggest concern is that News Corpse would be shutting the hell up about this if it wasn't 100% in their puppet party's best interests to knife shorten. They have an election campaign ready to go, and I assure you that one of the the following is going to be true: - They have poo poo on Albo, and he doesn't know it (or does, and he's playing along) - He's agreed to come to the table on Neoliberalism and Nationalism and they're going to Kevin 07 him straight to the top - They have put all their eggs into the LABAH IN CHAOS AGAIN narrative basket and they believe they can win on it, and he's just a willing idiot - Long shot: They've been tipped off the Shorty is going to go Full Corbyn as soon as the election is launched and they're scrambling to get him out I used to really like Albo, he was the Labor infrastructure guy, he used to post great stuff about fixing our cities and improving the standard of living by investing in public transportation and correcting for urban sprawl - but I really haven't seen anything come out of his PR dept that wasn't either attacking the Greens or dumb third way poo poo in ages.
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Jul 23, 2018 05:50
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I want Shorten to go full Corbyn now
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Anidav posted:I want Shorten to go full Corbyn now Shorten is a ride or die right winger
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Jul 23, 2018 07:24
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“Full Corbyn”, in this case, meaning pushing the LNP into minority government but still holding on to power?
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I believe in him. Shorten is real and my friend. He just needs to collect enough spirit energy to unleash the Class War.
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Jul 23, 2018 07:27
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Enough MP to summon Marx.
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Jul 23, 2018 07:28
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Enough cards to play Exodia.
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Jul 23, 2018 07:29
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bell jar posted:Shorten is a ride or die right winger Shorten is ride or die for Shorten.
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Jul 23, 2018 07:30
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There’s already a class war and the bourgeoise wins it every day and if you think Shorten could reverse its fortunes I have several bridges I would like to sell
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Jul 23, 2018 07:33
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Anidav posted:I believe in him. Shorten is real and my friend. I genuinely believe we should be allowed to call each other retarded again
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Jul 23, 2018 07:48
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The Peccadillo posted:I genuinely believe we should be allowed to call each other retarded again It's just very unfair on the mentally disabled comparing them to Andrew Bolt like that.
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Jul 23, 2018 07:49
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Turnbull is going to win based on being a better statesman lmao
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JBP posted:Turnbull is going to win based on being a better statesman lmao Yeah but if he goes to an election again with this vanilla jobs and growth speech he will get trashed. I do believe Turnbull is smug enough to follow the same script.
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Anidav posted:Yeah but if he goes to an election again with this vanilla jobs and growth speech he will get trashed. I do believe Turnbull is smug enough to follow the same script. He's smug enough to run it as "We delivered jobs and growth". Despite wages staying completely stagnant again.
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Honestly if things did shift enough for the Libs to actually squeak out a win, I'm not even sure they'll have time between realising this, and the election to develop a campaign, with their very smooth brains and tendency to try to kill and also eat each other.
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Don Dongington posted:Honestly if things did shift enough for the Libs to actually squeak out a win, I'm not even sure they'll have time between realising this, and the election to develop a campaign, with their very smooth brains and tendency to try to kill and also eat each other. The LNP isn't smooth brained. That's their voters. The LNP are idiots, racists and culture warriors all on their own.
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Don Dongington posted:Honestly if things did shift enough for the Libs to actually squeak out a win, I'm not even sure they'll have time between realising this, and the election to develop a campaign, with their very smooth brains and tendency to try to kill and also eat each other. Ah no you're mistaking the Victorian branch for the Federal party  Imagine having a platform so numb and dumb that even Turnbull has to pitch in.
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Thread was 100% wrong when it painted Albo as a champion of the left instead of just another spineless poll chasing career politician. Thread is 100% wrong when it tries to paint Shorten as anything other than (for better and worse) another, albiet a less smart, Wayne Swan.
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