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FoolyCharged posted:Did you miss the part where I did that and learned that the stun rod was a useless piece of junk. So yeah, telling the player to figure out opaque unmarked mechanics is a crock of poo poo. Theres a reason people stopped doing that garbage. You were too dumb to learn a really obvious thing I discovered immediately as a dumb twelve year old who literally couidn't speak english, lol
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steinrokkan posted:How dumb do you have to be not to understand how a tranq dart works. They worked just fine in HR and MD, its in this game that they're retarded
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frajaq posted:They worked just fine in HR and MD, its in this game that they're retarded have you considered it's not the darts that's retarded
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Jul 21, 2018 22:21
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steinrokkan posted:have you considered it's not the darts that's retarded Yeah it's you, fuckface. Deus Ex 1 is really not that good.
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Jul 21, 2018 22:29
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It's not that good for none of the reasons these people are talking about. "Oh no, I have to aim and time my shots, that's bullshit"
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Jul 21, 2018 22:31
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steinrokkan posted:have you considered it's not the darts that's retarded you're the one that keeps defending bad gameplay mechanics so... Oh yeah also I managed a pacifist run to reach the terrorist leader but the remaining UNATCO soldiers kill everyone anyway, good poo poo
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Jul 21, 2018 22:31
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frajaq posted:you're the one that keeps defending bad gameplay mechanics so... They aren't bad just because you can't figure them out.
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So I have another unpopular videogame opinion American Mcgees Alice games were good, even the one with no boss fights.
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I didn't play Deus Ex 1 until Human Revolution came out, and I bought a bundle with all the Deus Ex games available at that time. I can't remember if I played it before or after HR, but in any case I thought the game was fine and don't get why people are getting so het up about it. Invisible War was glitchy as gently caress though and I don't think I got more than a few minutes into it before giving up. Haven't tried it again in years, though.
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none of the deus exes are particularly good there I said it it is like a weight has lifted from my heart
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A. Beaverhausen posted:So I have another unpopular videogame opinion That being said, I'm glad the era of "superstar game designers who gently caress, like, all the time you guys" is largely over.
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Jul 21, 2018 22:38
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Oh, here's another great thing deus ex does. "Here you can have one of three weapons: Two that easily found on this stage and a GEP gun. What is a gep gun? Oh no biggie, just a hugely valuable rocket launcher you won't have access to for a while if you dont pick it."
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FoolyCharged posted:Oh, here's another great thing deus ex does. "Here you can have one of three weapons: Two that easily found on this stage and a GEP gun. What is a gep gun? Oh no biggie, just a hugely valuable rocket launcher you won't have access to for a while if you dont pick it." lol you picked the crossbow
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FoolyCharged posted:Oh, here's another great thing deus ex does. "Here you can have one of three weapons: Two that easily found on this stage and a GEP gun. What is a gep gun? Oh no biggie, just a hugely valuable rocket launcher you won't have access to for a while if you dont pick it." to be fair there's always inventory space to consider, I'm a pack rat when it comes to looting so the GEP gun was a big no no to me
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FoolyCharged posted:Oh, here's another great thing deus ex does. "Here you can have one of three weapons: Two that easily found on this stage and a GEP gun. What is a gep gun? Oh no biggie, just a hugely valuable rocket launcher you won't have access to for a while if you dont pick it." lol you were too dumb to pick the right gun
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This is the swimming skill, its unused in all but a handful of locations making it normally a waste of points, but if you don't invest in it you'll be hosed in those areas. e: on that note, 99% of games with a persuade stat/skill are dumb because you're obligated to take it if you want to see half the content. It doesn't feel like I'm making a charismatic D&D character who can talk people's ears off, it feels like wasting those points for a plot coupon. FoolyCharged fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Jul 21, 2018 |
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Sodomy Hussein posted:That being said, I'm glad the era of "superstar game designers who gently caress, like, all the time you guys" is largely over. Related: the game title is pronounced “do sex”
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Dross posted:Related: the game title is pronounced “do sex” It's true, which you'd know from every time Eidos tells the world they're about to drop a Deus
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FoolyCharged posted:So yeah, telling the player to figure out opaque unmarked mechanics is a crock of poo poo. Theres a reason people stopped doing that garbage. It's funny though that the Soulsborne series brought it back in spades and was one of the most successful series of games. I think it's why it's such a marmite series.
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Rockstar game developers are exactly what we need more of. Just like star wars was better when it was purely George Lucas's syphilitic vision, ego driven jackasses with very particular desires make better games than the grey smear of corporate pigshit we get now.
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really though on early playthroughs it's true that the fighting is not what's awesome about Deus Ex; for me it just raised the bar on immersion, AI (or at least several layers of interesting scripted reactions), and level design. playing it at the time it felt like not just my choices but my actions themselves mattered because a lot of the systems just felt real or genuine or something, so I can see how with age it's just not as amazing... also I never played System Shock 2 so maybe I missed that boat that people got similar experiences from
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DebonaireD posted:Rockstar game developers are exactly what we need more of. Just like star wars was better when it was purely George Lucas's syphilitic vision, ego driven jackasses with very particular desires make better games than the grey smear of corporate pigshit we get now. I kind of get where you're coming from, but look up Eternity's Child in lessons of simple games that can be hosed up. The dude who made it had some kind of name back then and well..
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Steinrokkan dropping some uncomfortable truth bombs on the last two pages.
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FoolyCharged posted:This is the swimming skill, its unused in all but a handful of locations making it normally a waste of points, but if you don't invest in it you'll be hosed in those areas. lol you maxed out swimming
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jimmyjams posted:lol you maxed out swimming who doesn't like to get wet once in a while
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Bioshock isn't just a bad game, it's straight up one of the worst games ever made.
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DOOM 2016 is nothing special.
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Shibawanko posted:Bioshock isn't just a bad game, it's straight up one of the worst games ever made. It's a perfectly okay shooter for its time and any assessment beyond "it's mediocre" is pure hyperbole tbh
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basic hitler posted:It's a perfectly okay shooter for its time and any assessment beyond "it's mediocre" is pure hyperbole tbh A mediocre shooter is like Far Cry: limited but playable and fun enough. Bioshock's a willingly deceptive game that creates artificial tension by making you feel like you're in danger when you're not, besides all of the other criticism everyone already knows about like the terrible gunplay and boringness and the inherently uninteresting concept of a satire of liberterianism.
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Shibawanko posted:artificial tension by making you feel like you're in danger when you're not, I'd prefer that to having a game that uses like half the voice lines in the game to tell the player about how dangerous their situation is even though the game is ridiculously easy and there's no timer or anything That's Bulletstorm
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Actually a teardown of the randian john galt archetype in a video game, dominated by dorks who think they are literally john galt, part of the silicon valley ecosystem on the west coast that lives and dies of the egomania of terrible lovely assholes who all wish they could be Andrew Ryan, was kind of a ballsy thing for a AAA game to do, which is all the more obvious when the rushed cash-in sequel made by a different team, written by a different guy had something as deep as "actually communism is bad too" as a retort. bioshock infinite is legitimately awful though.
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The problem with deus ex is they released the same game two times in a row.
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Tenzarin posted:The problem with deus ex is they released the same game two times in a row. The problem with Deus Ex is that the controls are awful in every single one of them Just kidding there are tons of problems
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First deus ex you run around and murder people with a dragon cyber sword. Latest deus ex games you are trying to be metal gear solid or crysis on maps too small.
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a new study bible! posted:DOOM 2016 is nothing special. I played the game for five hours during the free Steam weekend and didn't get the love. Pretty mediocre to me. And I love the old school FPSes.
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basic hitler posted:bioshock infinite is legitimately awful though. but have you considered that perhaps the slaves are more evil than the slavers
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steinrokkan posted:but have you considered that perhaps the slaves are more evil than the slavers I seriously wonder if the totally idiotic portrayal of the vox populi was a result of producer meddling. Like ken levine probably pissed people off by mocking his bosses and other egomaniac execs with andrew ryan, and any point he wanted to make was likely hobbled from the outset. Levine is kind of a moron but he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who throws around "actually the anti-slavery, pro labor revolutionary movement is just as bad as the racist right wing industrialist" horseshit on purpose.
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Is liking Bioshock 1 now an unpopular opinion? And I have to agree that Bioshock Infinite was a huge example of wasted potential. I'd say it had the best controls and gameplay of a Bioshock game, but the worst story. Especially the loving ending. I have rarely felt insulted by an ending, but that game managed it.
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The vox pop was blatantly about racism as original sin, though it wasn't done well. And the ending owned, getting drowned by multiple Elizabeths to a cappella gospel was excellently fetishistic
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I see a lot of vitriol for Human Revolution, and at the time peeps ragged on the bossfights a lot, but what really got me was how stupid the map layout was. It made out like you were in a city, implying open world / free roaming, but actually secretly it was a doom / wolfenstein style maze of a map. It felt so insanely stupid to be, that in this game where you can supposedly make any decision, you had less geographical freedom than Bioshock, who's whole shtick is it's rail roading you.
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