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AreWeDrunkYet posted:It seems like they've got a bunch of these people on self evident fraud charges. As in names signed to their crimes and all - why even offer a plea, let alone immunity? Most of those charges carry 5+ years easy. And even from what's public Manafort is pretty much guaranteed to die in prison. They're letting a bunch of criminals off the hook to make sure the Manafort case is extra extra sure? It’s the way they busted the mob - threaten everyone with iron clad charges that can be pled down so that they give up their capo. Then they get the capo to give up the under boss and then get him to give up the boss
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hobbesmaster posted:It’s the way they busted the mob - threaten everyone with iron clad charges that can be pled down so that they give up their capo. Then they get the capo to give up the under boss and then get him to give up the boss Hah. My solution to this was: keep doing crimes while the boss is in jail. It's foolproof!
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CommieGIR posted:https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/07/tesla-to-suppliers-take-a-hit-to-make-us-great/ A bunch of actual businesspeople in AI's EV thread already pointed out that this is normal stuff for large-scale industrial operations. And that thread hates Musk at least as much as this one.
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hobbesmaster posted:It’s the way they busted the mob - threaten everyone with iron clad charges that can be pled down so that they give up their capo. Then they get the capo to give up the under boss and then get him to give up the boss I don't think any of them have looked at the slightest bit of history on how the FBI operate. Not that they get it right all the time, but when they've latched onto you, they a) Do Not Stop b) You either do a deal and serve a little less time or get turbofucked.
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Godholio posted:A bunch of actual businesspeople in AI's EV thread already pointed out that this is normal stuff for large-scale industrial operations. And that thread hates Musk at least as much as this one. Not the reimbursements portion. Yes, its normal for industrial operations to re-negotiate the supplier cost during production, but not to ask for refunds for already purchased parts.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:Russia is our friend Anyone else thinking of that Onion clip?
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CommieGIR posted:Not the reimbursements portion. Yes, its normal for industrial operations to re-negotiate the supplier cost during production, but not to ask for refunds for already purchased parts. Fair enough. I thought they were parts that were ordered previously but the contract was still being executed. Admittedly I didn't bother digging into it. God loving drat.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:Russia is our friend We've talked about this one in a previous one of these threads. If the cyber war kicked off it'd totally gently caress the computing structure of the US, but not the military bits which thankfully aren't managed by dumb asses. loving good luck if you needed to go to a hospital if that happened though. Thankfully they really can't do poo poo because you're as deep into their relatively unsecured computing infrastructure too. My security mates have described in similar terms to MAD and it is really.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:It seems like they've got a bunch of these people on self evident fraud charges. As in names signed to their crimes and all - why even offer a plea, let alone immunity? Most of those charges carry 5+ years easy. And even from what's public Manafort is pretty much guaranteed to die in prison. They're letting a bunch of criminals off the hook to make sure the Manafort case is extra extra sure? The immunity Mueller is asking for here is not part of any deal. These witnesses aren't 'getting off.' Mueller's asking for immunity in order to force the witnesses to testify over their assertion of their 5th Amendment rights. This is what is called use immunity. That means he can't use their testimony in court against them. All the other evidence he has against them is still in play and can still be used to prosecute them later. Transactional immunity is the 'can't ever be prosecuted for this' kind of immunity, and is not in play here. e: cite joat mon fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Jul 24, 2018 |
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joat mon posted:The immunity Mueller is asking for here is not part of any deal. These witnesses aren't 'getting off.' Mueller's asking for immunity in order to force the witnesses to testify over their assertion of their 5th Amendment rights. Thank you for the cogent explanation.
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Godholio posted:Never don't post in here.
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Ooo sovcit crackdown up the road from me they're brown https://wpde.com/news/local/more-than-200-officers-raid-property-in-robeson-county
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Hexyflexy posted:We've talked about this one in a previous one of these threads. If the cyber war kicked off it'd totally gently caress the computing structure of the US, but not the military bits which thankfully aren't managed by dumb asses. loving good luck if you needed to go to a hospital if that happened though. Paradoxically, one of the things that makes the US power grid more difficult to attack is the fact that it's so old, inefficient, and cobbled together among regional entities that are further divided into retail, distribution, transmission, and generation. Europe's entire power grid basically had to be rebuilt after WWII, so it's much more interconnected and, as a result, susceptible to multi-national blackouts. To take down the entire US power grid, you'd need to target basically every regional power company (and not just the big ones like Exelon, but their subsidiaries as well). Which is exactly what the Russians did, which is pretty funny and terrifying at the same time. But don't worry, most of these regional operators are kind of maybe starting to take the threat more seriously sort of.
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Isn't the US grid split up strangely too? IIRC, Texas is on its on separate power grid thats not connected to the rest of the country.
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Saint Celestine posted:Isn't the US grid split up strangely too? IIRC, Texas is on its on separate power grid thats not connected to the rest of the country. Yeah, I thought it was East, West, Tejas
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Canada and New York share a large power grid as well. Edit: and Ohio, PA, parts of New England
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The grids themselves are fairly resilient and fault-tolerant. The 2003 Great Northeast Blackout stands out as the exception, but even that was an example of Swiss cheese theory. The Russians have so far been targeting distribution networks in Ukraine, because while transmission is highly redundant, substations are effectively single points of failure. If I compromise a distribution control center, I can knock out power to their entire service area with no real way to fix it.
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The blackout of 2003 kinda puts into perspective how delicate everything is when it was caused by a software bug preventing technicians from noticing everything going to poo poo
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Hot Karl Marx posted:Russia is our friend in one of the iterations of the YOSPOS security gently caress ups thread, someone posted a site (please do not look for it) that scraped the internet for VNC clients that had access to the public Internet and were using default credentials. The amount SCADA systems in it was... absolutely terrifying
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Eej posted:The blackout of 2003 kinda puts into perspective how delicate everything is when it was caused by a software bug preventing technicians from noticing everything going to poo poo The most advanced malware we've seen so far targeting electrical networks, Industroyer, seeks to replicate this by performing a man in the middle attack and replaying normal traffic to the control systems while allowing the attackers to issue commands to the RTUs to open relays. Unlike the first attack in 2015, where the technicians watched the Russians clicking through their terminals, the attack last summer was carried out with the monitoring staff completely unaware that half of the country was losing power.
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:in one of the iterations of the YOSPOS security gently caress ups thread, someone posted a site (please do not look for it) that scraped the internet for VNC clients that had access to the public Internet and were using default credentials. The amount SCADA systems in it was... absolutely terrifying The biggie was an Italian chemical plant, it's burned into my head because it loving terrified me (and it would have taken about 10 seconds to blow it up if you were that way inclined). I started taking the security implications of code I delivered a bit more seriously after seeing that.
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orange juche posted:dug up a bunch of "edgy" videos the creator of Rick and Morty made back in 2009. People are screaming for his head now. I haven't seen anybody screaming for his head besides some D&D posters This isn't remotely out of character for that weird rear end in a top hat and he's not working for Disney so I don't see it turning out so badly for him
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Hexyflexy posted:The biggie was an Italian chemical plant, it's burned into my head because it loving terrified me (and it would have taken about 10 seconds to blow it up if you were that way inclined). Targeting of SIS has become the new "thing." The Iranians did it against a Saudi oil refinery back in December, but there was a bug in their program so it ultimately didn't succeed. After that news broke, we got a lot of panicked emails from people asking if we supported the more common SIS protocols.
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Hexyflexy posted:The biggie was an Italian chemical plant, it's burned into my head because it loving terrified me (and it would have taken about 10 seconds to blow it up if you were that way inclined). Thing is you can do your part right but if the end user sets up a dumbshit configuration it's still vulnerable.
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Midjack posted:Thing is you can do your part right but if the end user sets up a dumbshit configuration it's still vulnerable. This is always the problem, especially with industrial plants. I'm maths, not IT, but I've got a load of friends who deal with the IT side of secure systems and the general problem is you'll specify a nice secure system, then the CEO will go: "I want to be able to access this internal system from my bed, on my phone, and get minute to minute reports". At that point you're hosed no matter how clever your systems are, and your plant gets infiltrated by an Excel exploit.
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If you had enough physical assets you could also just roll up to a substation and physically knock it over. The security is a loving chain link fence
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Waroduce posted:If you had enough physical assets you could also just roll up to a substation and physically knock it over. The security is a loving chain link fence You could hit a couple in the whole of the US before you got hosed. You leave that kind of problem to armed cops. Though it would be loving amusing if the Russian plan to knock out the US power grid was thousands of killdozers.
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Hexyflexy posted:You could hit a couple in the whole of the US before you got hosed. You leave that kind of problem to armed cops. Though it would be loving amusing if the Russian plan to knock out the US power grid was thousands of killdozers. I mean.... There are a lot of sub stations in semi-rural and rural US where cops are few and far between. You'd have a harder time with the cities without good synchronization, but even and hour or two between hits, or even a few right hits would be devastating. Edit: I feel like I should edit this, but there's no way that there's any thought process that makes this questionable for someone who already has a desire.
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Did they ever catch that sniper a few years back who shot up a bunch of substations in California?
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Hannibal Rex posted:Did they ever catch that sniper a few years back who shot up a bunch of substations in California? Nope.
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Hannibal Rex posted:Did they ever catch that sniper a few years back who shot up a bunch of substations in California? I'm pretty sure they never caught anyone in relation to this attack. Not sure if this is what you meant.
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By and large, a lot of US critical infrastructure is deeply vulnerable to physical or cyber threats. Not to go  here but if you’re some nut who’s only minimally observant, you could probably figure out something you could attack that will not bring down the whole grid, but at least make life uncomfortable for a few days.
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:in one of the iterations of the YOSPOS security gently caress ups thread, someone posted a site (please do not look for it) that scraped the internet for VNC clients that had access to the public Internet and were using default credentials. The amount SCADA systems in it was... absolutely terrifying https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtu7vV_HmY
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