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2house2fly posted:Why would it? Because New Vegas is generating a bunch of unrest and attracting hordes of raiders in the form of the Legion, without doing anything to protect the people outside of the New Vegas, which is precisely why the Rangers went in to begin with. The NCR has been basically been proto-governing the area without getting any support from the money pit that was the reason they went to the Mojave in the first place. NCR wants to incorporate New Vegas and the Mojave as their newest state, and fund their growing expansion after the last round of expensive wars.
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Arcsquad12 posted:They want to tax Vegas but that requires owning it. Therefore house is sitting on a cap mountain that the NCR coffers are salivating over. I mean, House taxes the Strip street vendor at 50%...
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Jul 24, 2018 03:06
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Also keep in mind that ncr soldiers and tourist make up a huge chunk of new Vegas customers and you can see why the ncr would be annoyed at so much economic activity being lost to House.
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Jul 24, 2018 03:12
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StandardVC10 posted:I mean, House taxes the Strip street vendor at 50%... The Treaty of New Vegas stipulates that the NCR can have an embassy and a military police force on the Strip, but they are restricted from carrying weapons or preventing NCR citizens from spending money at the casinos or from getting a cut of the casino profits. 99% of Hoover Dam's output goes back to California with the other 1% going to the Strip, which is the main economic advantage the NCR gets out of the deal. It's like buying from Amish or Mennonites at the farmer's market. Its a money sink that returns nothing to the NCR and bleeds their own funds dry. However the treaty only applies in the Mojave, which is why I suggested the NCR create a travel visa for citizens wanting to leave NCR territory. Though, knowing House he'd consider that a treaty violation and cut off the NCR until they came crawling back to the table to agree to much harsher terms.
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Jul 24, 2018 03:16
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MarshyMcFly posted:Rough news about the BETA. Can’t believe they’re having it just a month away from release. But I’m 100% certain that everyone will be able to get into the BETA eventually. Probably not until like 2 weeks before release though.
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It's been a while since I last played so I may have just forgotten, but is it ever explained why so many NCR citizens are attracted to Vegas and want to go vacationing in the middle of a war zone with what little spare time they have? We all know what Las Vegas and the Strip are because we somehow live in a timeline where the world isn't a blasted, irradiated wasteland. But what knowledge would the average peasant farmer or factory worker in the Fallout universe have about what the city formerly was let alone be drawn to it? And how they hell are they getting there? Knowledge of working cars died with the Chosen One and I get the sense that Vertibirds are reserved for priority military missions and VIPs. The only domestic animal capable of holding a human is a Brahmin which is somehow slower than just walking. Google Maps tells me a walk from LA to Vegas would take approximately 95 hours. San Francisco to Vegas would be ~180 hours; that's over a solid week of walking without rest and through some incredibly hostile terrain. You're looking at 2-4 weeks of travel time one way. Obviously it's not impossible since natives had inhabited the area for centuries and eventually settlers showed up all without the aid of machines but you didn't get a whole lot of people going on vacation across the country in 1848. Getting a regular stream of soldiers to the area doesn't strike me as odd (they gotta go for R&R somewhere) but there seems to be an awful lot of civilian traffic as well which seemingly comes from nowhere.
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Jul 24, 2018 03:48
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Cars exist in fallout, it's just that Bethesda's engine and the type of game that the modern fallout is doesn't really work with cars as a game play mechanic. Every game has mentioned trucks and cars to one extent or another. Also trains and Brahman carts. As far as why, the thrill of gambling and hookers isn't exactly a modern invention and theres no reason to believe it wouldn't draw people on the future
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Jul 24, 2018 03:57
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You can probably drive a car nearly right up to Mojave Outpost, at least from the California side. Or you could, until it became an open-range pack brahmin ranch.
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Garrand posted:Cars exist in fallout, it's just that Bethesda's engine and the type of game that the modern fallout is doesn't really work with cars as a game play mechanic. Every game has mentioned trucks and cars to one extent or another. Also trains and Brahman carts. Addictions and vices also go up as life gets shittier, and, well...the world of Fallout ain't exactly full of cherries and roses. The Strip is also chock full of soldiers that are stationed nearby and, well, yeah.
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StandardVC10 posted:House is attached to the Strip, but there's little reason why Joe Sixpack from the NCR should be. The NCR opens a few casinos in their core territories, or even just has a major recession cutting into discretionary travel budgets, and he could be looking at sizable loss of business. See what happened to Atlantic City IRL once gambling got legalized in more places. This is a really good point! But there's something House wants, something the NCR isn't even considering, that's already budded in his backyard - space travel. Provided you took the best choice, House is poised to stumble onto a trained, flight-tested posse of ghouls and one scientist who have backwards engineered functional space travel. The husk's withered dingus would probably ejaculate dust when he realizes space travel isn't a decades away pie-in-the-sky dream, it's years away at most. Even if it's still years away, but just imagine the crazy poo poo everyone had in orbit before everything fell apart. Father Wendigo fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Jul 24, 2018 |
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i doubt your average person has a car but the other reason people go is to try and make a new life on the frontier, either by gambling or by enrolling in NCR's homesteading program, that'll get plenty of people to pack up and go walking for a couple weeks most probably don't hack it and that's why you see a bunch of squatters around outside the strip
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Yeah, that makes sense. And I got the impression that the NCR was trying to funnel people into the area so they could help stabilize the region and also get rid of all the unemployed and/or useless people milling about in California where economic stagnation was creating an impoverished and restless underclass. In turn their growing numbers would eventually allow the NCR to seize control of the area surrounding Vegas and put more pressure on House. And as the military and settlers made their way east merchants seeking opportunity would follow to make money. But random tourists showing up to gamble away their life's savings before schlepping back home with not even a cap to their name still strikes me as odd. I get that people would want vices like sex, drugs, gambling and the like but I imagine these things would be readily available much closer to home. The Hub had places like this in the first game and most every town in 2 had something going on, especially New Reno. No need to go walking for hundreds of miles to get your jollies if that's all you're looking for.
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It's about going into the past, when things sucked less. Sure, things actually looked less bad but sucked more, but the
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They want to go to Vegas because gambling is illegal within the NCR unless you want to be murdered in a back alley somewhere in New Reno.
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dont be mean to me posted:You can probably drive a car nearly right up to Mojave Outpost, at least from the California side.
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Father Wendigo posted:This is a really good point! House can also rescue the kids from Little Lamplight after it flooded if someone would just listen to his plan to repurpose Pulowski Preservation Shelters.
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there's also people probably aren't hoofing it from arroyo to new Vegas but shady sands is actually not really that far from Vegas prior to the divide being the divide here's a fan map so take that for what's it's worth with some of the details but the general location of cities and towns looks about right 
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Man it's crazy that the same people who put effort into making that map are the same people who wrote "Ceasar's Legion"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWkKzaplwbY this is some... quality voice work
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Man it's crazy that the same people who put effort into making that map are the same people who wrote "Ceasar's Legion" Ceezers Leegers E: That map is insulting to my Chosen Ancestor. You might leave Den without splattering Metzger all over the wall, but you always come back after you've got a FAL or two.  E2: Or a Marcus. goatsestretchgoals fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Jul 24, 2018 |
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Dalael posted:
I wandered over to check this out, and I found power armour, but it was T-45. I left it where it was, and I'll try coming back later.
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The Zombie Guy posted:I wandered over to check this out, and I found power armour, but it was T-45. I left it where it was, and I'll try coming back later. It's leveled on zone entry so that one is stuck at T45 forever. If you had somehow managed to not activate that zone until level eleventy billion, you'd have a rusting set of X01 sitting there.
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corn in the bible posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWkKzaplwbY Overwritten pseudo-philosophical dialogue is kinda of annoying, though.
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One thing about House that always stuck me as kinda weird is his interaction with The Kings post-game. If you don't do anything to stop The Kings from harassing and even out right attacking NCR citizens, House silently approves and lets it continue to happen. Yet if you convince The Kings to make peace with them, House flips out, declares The Kings enemies of the state, and sends his robots to gun them down in the street to the last man. Would think that stopping attacks on your number one customer base, which would in turn increase money flowing into New Vegas and at the same time remove a reason for NCR retaliation in the future would be a good thing, but nope, House would rather wipe out the only thing keeping Freeside from collapsing into total anarchy all for daring to do something that would greatly benefit New Vegas and thus House in the long run. House has already shown that he doesn't care at all about Freeside and yet this sends him over the edge? Also kinda found it odd that in an NCR ending Goodsprings would somehow come under NCR control and thus taxes and yet just about every other independent town doesn't. Always struck me as kinda of a petty, well every other town is doing fine, but Goodsprings will have Easy Pete and like 1 other farmer move away, oh no.
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UED Special Ops posted:One thing about House that always stuck me as kinda weird is his interaction with The Kings post-game. If you don't do anything to stop The Kings from harassing and even out right attacking NCR citizens, House silently approves and lets it continue to happen. Yet if you convince The Kings to make peace with them, House flips out, declares The Kings enemies of the state, and sends his robots to gun them down in the street to the last man. Would think that stopping attacks on your number one customer base, which would in turn increase money flowing into New Vegas and at the same time remove a reason for NCR retaliation in the future would be a good thing, but nope, House would rather wipe out the only thing keeping Freeside from collapsing into total anarchy all for daring to do something that would greatly benefit New Vegas and thus House in the long run. House has already shown that he doesn't care at all about Freeside and yet this sends him over the edge? House and his robots are the few characters in gaming history where you can handwave a 'lol we forgot to test for that' into 'lol House forgot to test for that'.
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goatsestretchgoals posted:House can also rescue the kids from Little Lamplight after it flooded if someone would just listen to his plan to repurpose Pulowski Preservation Shelters.  I smell a quest mod!
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goatsestretchgoals posted:It's leveled on zone entry so that one is stuck at T45 forever. If you had somehow managed to not activate that zone until level eleventy billion, you'd have a rusting set of X01 sitting there. I don't think that's true. I've found armor and left it be only to come back later and it was no longer T-45. These are ones in cages you had to hack to open, mind you. Maybe that's the difference.
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goatsestretchgoals posted:House can also rescue the kids from Little Lamplight after it flooded if someone would just listen to his plan to repurpose Pulowski Preservation Shelters. Hey, that's not fair, House actually turned a profit
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Psychotic Weasel posted:Yeah, that makes sense. And I got the impression that the NCR was trying to funnel people into the area so they could help stabilize the region and also get rid of all the unemployed and/or useless people milling about in California where economic stagnation was creating an impoverished and restless underclass. In turn their growing numbers would eventually allow the NCR to seize control of the area surrounding Vegas and put more pressure on House. And as the military and settlers made their way east merchants seeking opportunity would follow to make money. Honestly, everyone wanting to get into the strip is a lot more believable if you look at the concept art rather than what actually ended up being in the game. I'm not saying that what we ended up with is awful or anything, and I understand why we got what we got because of the limitations of the programming, it's just kind of hard to believe people would blow their lives savings at a place who's main claim to fame is three mediocre casinos and an underground hotel (albeit a pretty cool one run by a very nice lady). New Vegas as a whole is fantastic, but the strip itself is a solid "meh".
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SwitchbladeKult posted:Nice! I dig the gently caress-physics approach to settlement building. Kaal posted:Same, it's a clever approach. Nice base! Donovan Trip posted:This is the kind of retardation that makes FO4 one of the best Bethesda games Thanks for the comments people. And yea definitely gently caress physics, all they’ve ever done is hold people down.
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Berke Negri posted:ncr if you jump through the hoops to get all the various minor factions onboard is pretty much optimal for everyone, boomers establish contacts with the outside world, Khan's go find a nice home of their own in Wyoming, bos integrates into society and helps protect the Mojave and not mug people of tech, followers prosper, novac prospers alongside the ghouls, freeside gets to remain independent, etc 
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UED Special Ops posted:Also kinda found it odd that in an NCR ending Goodsprings would somehow come under NCR control and thus taxes and yet just about every other independent town doesn't. Always struck me as kinda of a petty, well every other town is doing fine, but Goodsprings will have Easy Pete and like 1 other farmer move away, oh no. Pretty sure its because the player 100% definitely spent some time in goodsprings and they knew they'd remember the location. Only so much time in the ending reels.
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dogstile posted:Pretty sure its because the player 100% definitely spent some time in goodsprings and they knew they'd remember the location. Yeah, probably. The time crunch on the game probably led to a fair amount of ending reel stuff being cut or shorted up. Thinking about it, Westside in particular seems an odd omission, considering the major impact you can have on that settlement through a fair number of quests, especially the whole water situation they were in the middle of.
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Father Wendigo posted:This is a really good point! Except there’s not really any reason to believe House actually cares about space travel instead of just bringing it up while he’s desperately trying to convince you not to kill him. He’s shown time and time again that he only cares about what personally benefits him, and there’s no way that enabling people to leave the planet he’s entombed on benefits him at all.
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Basically, but with less genocide (except maybe against the Khans?). Space Cadet Omoly posted:New Vegas as a whole is fantastic, but the strip itself is a solid "meh". Yeah, the Strip somehow looks less attractive than New Reno did decades ago. It's even worse because you have to travel through Fiend territory to get there. Sure, New Reno has mobster families killing you if you mess with the wrong people, but at least you're not at risk of turning a random corner and getting a laser beam to the face.
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Internet Wizard posted:Except there’s not really any reason to believe House actually cares about space travel instead of just bringing it up while he’s desperately trying to convince you not to kill him. He’s shown time and time again that he only cares about what personally benefits him, and there’s no way that enabling people to leave the planet he’s entombed on benefits him at all. Other than the fact that him talking about restarting the technological research and colonizing the stars comes nowhere near when you're killing him? It's literally just when you're talking to him at some point. I mean, I guess if you just want to believe that every thing he says is a lie despite him clearly being a technocrat who is obsessed with rediscovering and surpassing the old world technology. He's a very straight forward person.
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House isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is, as evidenced by the fact that every single one of his lackeys is trying to overthrow him/planning a massacre on the Strip/eating people
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The Zombie Guy posted:I wandered over to check this out, and I found power armour, but it was T-45. I left it where it was, and I'll try coming back later. goatsestretchgoals posted:It's leveled on zone entry so that one is stuck at T45 forever. If you had somehow managed to not activate that zone until level eleventy billion, you'd have a rusting set of X01 sitting there. gently caress if that's the case I'm sorry. Every time I went, it was a T-51 so I must never have gone below a certain level.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Honestly, everyone wanting to get into the strip is a lot more believable if you look at the concept art rather than what actually ended up being in the game. I'm not saying that what we ended up with is awful or anything, and I understand why we got what we got because of the limitations of the programming, it's just kind of hard to believe people would blow their lives savings at a place who's main claim to fame is three mediocre casinos and an underground hotel (albeit a pretty cool one run by a very nice lady). New Vegas as a whole is fantastic, but the strip itself is a solid "meh". It beats the shacks that most people have tho, so I don't see why it's such an issue. I think people are spending way too much time analyzing games nowadays. Any game can be analyzed until a point that you can call it trash and the Fallout threads are no exception. Mods, please rename thread to The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > Fallout is trash, I hated every minute of the 500 hours I played.
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