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Oscar Wild posted:https://twitter.com/ihatejoelkim/status/1021535652859404288?s=19 Taxing is high level crowdfunding where it doesn't go anywhere you want, need, or intend. And it's compulsory. So... yeah? In a hell world society, yeah.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Taxing is high level crowdfunding where it doesn't go anywhere you want, need, or intend. And it's compulsory. So... yeah? In a hell world society, yeah. Crowdfunding allows a more efficient way to get resources (money) to where it is needed. The big government is rife with waste and shouldn't be responsible for all its citizens getting health care. Crowdfunding allows us to save those who merit saving. Let the people decide.
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Oscar Wild posted:Crowdfunding allows a more efficient way to get resources (money) to where it is needed. The big government is rife with waste and shouldn't be responsible for all its citizens getting health care. Crowdfunding allows us to save those who merit saving. Let the people decide. Everyone merits saving hth
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Crowsbeak posted:Is that from Do the Right Thing? Yup! Wanted to find a decent gif of the Malcolm X/MLK photo in the burning pizzeria, but close enough
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Rarity posted:Everyone merits saving hth That depends on your net worth.
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Oscar Wild posted:That depends on your net worth. Human life is not valued in currency, comrade
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Rarity posted:Human life is not valued in currency, comrade Do you know where you are at? What day is it?
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Rarity posted:Everyone merits saving hth I can tell your heart's in the right place but no, goodness no.
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Burt Sexual posted:Do you know where you are at? What day is it? WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? *screams incoherently at doctor*
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kuddles posted:The fact that laissez-faire capitalism continues to be seen as a viable political structure by anyone is far and away the most baffling thing about our society. People nod their head whenever someone talks about "red tape" and how we should "deregulate" an industry despite the fact that time and time again the industry moves to ruin people's lives if not outright allowing them to be killed if it gets them an extra $1 a year by day one of doing that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILQepXUhJ98 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF8DsIVWDcs
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ate all the Oreos posted:The original picture someone said "cryingindian.jpg" to that started this all was taken in Mumbai gently caress I'm glad someone got what I thought was very obvious.
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Oscar Wild posted:Crowdfunding allows a more efficient way to get resources (money) to where it is needed. Not necessarily, as people will crowdfund poo poo that doesn't actually need funding. *need* has nothing to do with it, more on this later. Additionally, you need to consider that the companies facilitating this crowdfunding (Patreon, GoFundMe, etc) all take a cut from the top. Last I checked, GoFundMe takes 15%. So basically you're now paying 15% directly into the pockets of a private party in order to "efficiently" move money to where it is "needed." Oscar Wild posted:The big government is rife with waste and shouldn't be responsible for all its citizens getting health care. Any large organization is going to have inefficiency and waste. There's nothing inherent to government that makes it be more wasteful than a private corporation. "Balancing the budget" is for morons who don't understand the Modern Monetary Theory underpinning our entire financial system for decades. Oscar Wild posted:Let the people decide. Which is why we ostensibly have a democracy. We *do* decide, in theory. Referring back to the "need:" Crowd funding allows people to pick and choose what *they* individually care about the most regardless of social need. This allows them to entirely skip the democratic way of people deciding where the money goes and lets them just give money directly to pet causes. If we had no taxes for social programs and relying on charity instead and then Bezos and Gates decide you know what gently caress poor people we care about neutering dogs and that's what our billions will go to - well great we'll get dog overpopulation under control maybe at the cost of millions of humans suffering because Bezos and Gates decided completely on their own that cute dogs are more important. Or let's not tax Apple or Steve Jobs (while he was alive) and he can spend that tax money on anti-vaxxer homeopathic fruit peddlers instead of contributing to a healthcare system. This whole argument is fundamentally a modern take on the old "charity can take care of the social safety net, it isn't government's job to force people to do it." Okay except charity has shown to be wildly insufficient. If "charity will take care of it" then the billionaire class should be happy to donate enough to pay for healthcare for at least their own employees but they don't. Basically, you're taking an ideological idea as a fact (charity can pay for it all) and then condemning millions of people who won't get any. More to the point it's another form of "why should I, a rich person, care about society as a whole? It's my money and I want to choose what is done with it 100%. And if some people suffer for that, well they aren't entitled to what I have and they should have done better." You're also being a naive moron if you think rich people will just give that tax money to properly vetted charities instead of using it to further entrench the status quo and their own wealth. Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 20:41 on Jul 24, 2018 |
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morondin why are you writing paragraphs at trolls
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Why even have wages? We should trust our benevolent CEOs to give their employees as much pay as their work merits
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Tetracube posted:Why even have wages? We should trust our benevolent CEOs to give their employees as much pay as their work merits 
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Mercrom posted:morondin why are you writing paragraphs at trolls It's not even a troll, Oscar was joking.
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Sad thing is I know a lot of people who think their wages would go up if we got rid of minimum wage and all workers rights.
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Elderbean posted:Sad thing is I know a lot of people who think their wages would go up if we got rid of minimum wage and all workers rights. How exactly?
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Note how there are no fat children. One even has the money for a fob and chain and maybe there is pocket watch so he can track his productivity. Ahhhhhh, the pocket watch; it's the historic equivalent of the fitbit and GPS monitoring they do in the Amazon mines.
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shut up blegum posted:How exactly? "I'm not one of those ~poors~ who earn minimum wage, so by cutting their wages my boss will be able to give me that money instead, since I'm a hard worker who can't be replaced by the end of the day."
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shut up blegum posted:How exactly? Even on a surface level it makes no sense, and mostly agreed upon by guys swimming in pools of money like Donald Duck or the type of people who fall for email scams. I’ve heard the argument that t would increase hiring. but that runs under the assumption that the wealthiest .00001 aren’t putting their money in offshore bank accounts, golden uzis, raw water and TPUSA astroturfing.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:"I'm not one of those ~poors~ who earn minimum wage, so by cutting their wages my boss will be able to give me that money instead, since I'm a hard worker who can't be replaced by the end of the day." Also 'burdensome regulations' take all him time/money.
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Burt Sexual posted:It's not even a troll, Oscar was joking. Yeah, the "people worth saving" was the tell there, that's why I dropped it from the quote heh Idk I was just kinda bored but also people do say that stuff seriously irl so figured I'd post a coubterargument
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Moridin920 posted:Idk I was just kinda bored but also people do say that stuff seriously irl so figured I'd post a coubterargument
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Moridin920 posted:Yeah, the "people worth saving" was the tell there, that's why I dropped it from the quote heh Literally the only counterargument you need to post to "crowdfunding allocates resources well" is https://www.businessinsider.com/kylie-jenner-gofundme-fans-crowdfunding-billionaire-2018-7
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https://www.gofundme.com/let039s-get-kylie-jenner-to-a-billion This funy joke campaign to give a rich woman more money has raised more from more people in 12 days than my dirt poor frequently homeless artist friend's patreon earns her in 10 months ha ha, funy joek
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ate all the Oreos posted:https://www.gofundme.com/let039s-get-kylie-jenner-to-a-billion money makes more money you see, it's a result of the innate entrepreneurial mindset rich people have
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I guess this goes in this thread. Let's pretend for a second that I'm very dim. How do mega corps post huge profits and make payouts to shareholders and at the same time not pay any taxes? Like what's the rationale here? E: Not the legal stuff, I mean what's the rationale for the masses not rising up and curb stomping the board of directors until they make sure the company pays their fair?
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Outrail posted:I guess this goes in this thread. Let's pretend for a second that I'm very dim. How do mega corps post huge profits and make payouts to shareholders and at the same time not pay any taxes? Like what's the rationale here? Government is evil and dodging taxes is good because boo taxes, I hate paying them!!!
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Fleetwood Crack posted:Admit it, you just can't help yourself. ok you're right damnit
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Also if you make corporations pay taxes, they'll move everything overseas to No Tax Land and you'll be out of a job!
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Moridin920 posted:ok you're right damnit never apologize moridin
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More serious answer: a lot of people legit do not see "cheating on taxes" as a problem, because they don't really *get* taxes in the first place. They either don't think about them at all beyond "it's a line item on my paycheck that i hate" or they think that their tax money is entirely going to "pointless" things like foreign aid. Tax evaders aren't seen as stealing from them or their country, they're seen as getting the upper hand on that evil old tax man and greedy government.
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Outrail posted:I guess this goes in this thread. Let's pretend for a second that I'm very dim. How do mega corps post huge profits and make payouts to shareholders and at the same time not pay any taxes? Like what's the rationale here? A lot of people genuinely look at corporations as their friends and think that billion dollar companies have a consumers best interests at heart. Earning lots of money is good, since money is good, so earning lots means they're doing a good job and deserve it. Taxes are bad, since the dirty government thats done nothing to help anyone take taxes, so a Good company that doesnt pay Bad taxes is DOUBLE GOOD. I pointed out to some capitalist bootlicker that he paid more taxes that Amazon did, and he said it was good since it means Amazon isn't strangled by the government and can continue to do good work.
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Outrail posted:Not the legal stuff, I mean what's the rationale for the masses not rising up and curb stomping the board of directors until they make sure the company pays their fair? americans elected a guy who said, on stage, in a live televised national debate, that his multibillion dollar companies never paid any taxes and that that was smart he knew exactly who he was talking to
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ate all the Oreos posted:Also if you make corporations pay taxes, they'll move everything overseas to No Tax Land and you'll be out of a job! I hate this poo poo too. It's just "oh okay you democratically decide X and we dislike it so we will threaten you." Leave to skimp on your taxes. We'll expropriate your stuff and ban you from entry to the country again.
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