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Beefeater1980 posted:So I’m sharing my law school / career experience since it may be of some use to poor deluded aspirants ITT. I’m from a UK background but had a buddy from Baltimore who followed same route very successfully. Seems foolproof
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CaptainScraps posted:This week's situation: Scraps you’re my hero.
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Scraps, the only way out of this is to have affairs with all the clients plus the opposing parties
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I covered an inspection with our engineer expert the other day who I realized half way through that I hadcross examined him and got his report thrown out on a different case 2 years ago but he didn't remember me that's my story
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Unamuno posted:How do you guys handle getting death threats? Not in the "I'm scared" sense, because they're all bluffs and I'm no stranger to suicidal thoughts anyway, but do you frame em? Save em in a desk drawer? Try to figure out who sent em? Red ink correct them. Frame the good ones.
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So I've been in Nova Scotia for the last 3 weeks and holy poo poo, they have almost as many lovely lawyer ads as the US (excepting Vegas which is actually just a bunch of accident lawyer ads and a few casinos). I'm fairly surprised.
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Beefeater1980 posted:So I’m sharing my law school / career experience since it may be of some use to poor deluded aspirants ITT. I’m from a UK background but had a buddy from Baltimore who followed same route very successfully. Phil Moscowitz posted:Seems foolproof It actually sort of does work. This path is how you get a bunch of retards calling you a (((globalist))) online, but I do know a number of people who did something similar and they all got to the same place without the same loans. All of the non-Americans in particular use Dubai/HK/other similar tax havens to make money, then come back home far more financially secure once they've had enough. Americans get taxed regardless, but just catching on with a firm that will put you through law school even in the UK saves you so much money that having to get an LLM on the other side is worth it and it turns out to be the same number of years in the end. The only downside is you still have to be a lawyer which is a massive reason to forget the whole thing.
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blarzgh posted:I covered an inspection with our engineer expert the other day who I realized half way through that I hadcross examined him and got his report thrown out on a different case 2 years ago but he didn't remember me that's my story I deposed an expert like two weeks after I had spent about ten days in a conference room working on an expert report with him. Very weird.
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Unamuno posted:How do you guys handle getting death threats? Not in the "I'm scared" sense, because they're all bluffs and I'm no stranger to suicidal thoughts anyway, but do you frame em? Save em in a desk drawer? Try to figure out who sent em? I start to feel hopeful, but they never come through
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Soothing Vapors posted:I start to feel hopeful, but they never come through I'm sure if you wander too close to a theater in a certain new england(ish) state you dreams can all be realized.
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Discendo Vox posted:How's work in HK/Dubai for the ol' conscience? It seems like a disproportionate amount of the world's suffering flows from such places. I'd never do Dubai. People seem to like it for some reason, probably because they never interact with the locals at all, but it's not for me. HK is not really a tax haven in the same way as Dubai and seems completely fine from a distance.
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Adar posted:I'd never do Dubai. People seem to like it for some reason, probably because they never interact with the locals at all, but it's not for me. I've been to HK a bunch of times (though not for work) and the thing that takes getting used to is how indescribably "tight" everything is. Outside of your office building, you will never have the personal space you're used to in the West unless you're obscenely wealthy and can live in the hills or don't mind the madhouse commute from the New Territories.
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Pook Good Mook posted:I've been to HK a bunch of times (though not for work) and the thing that takes getting used to is how indescribably "tight" everything is. Outside of your office building, you will never have the personal space you're used to in the West unless you're obscenely wealthy and can live in the hills or don't mind the madhouse commute from the New Territories. I have a friend who's family moved from HK to SF. Mind you, this was a few years ago, but they were gobsmacked about how much they could get for their money in SF.
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nm posted:^^^^^ My favorite attorneys are the old guys who mistakenly think they are this way.
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My impression of the Chinese offices that I've interacted with is that the people there seem to be getting worked to death at a pace that exceeds even the standard biglaw grind. More often than not, associates in those offices will respond immediately to emails sent to them at 3 am their time.
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nm posted:I have a friend who's family moved from HK to SF. Mind you, this was a few years ago, but they were gobsmacked about how much they could get for their money in SF. Not including rent, Hong Kong is only 7% more expensive than the United States average (which includes Iowa to San Francisco). Rent however is twice as expensive as the US average. And that average includes the shitloads of public housing that is actually reasonably nice and in high demand that the city can't build fast enough.
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CaptainScraps posted:This week's situation: lol multiplied by infinity I look forward to seeing how this all blows up, hopefully on the courthouse steps.
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Vox Nihili posted:My impression of the Chinese offices that I've interacted with is that the people there seem to be getting worked to death at a pace that exceeds even the standard biglaw grind. More often than not, associates in those offices will respond immediately to emails sent to them at 3 am their time. Yeah it strikes me that if you're working in East Asia for a U.S. or U.K. firm, you're working 24/7 because you're answering calls from East Asia and the Americas/Europe. Of course that exists in the U.S. as well, e.g., energy transactions associates in Texas attending 2:00 AM CST call with a Japanese client.
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CaptainScraps posted:This week's situation: Good job getting business via word-of-mouth.
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Staryberry posted:Has anyone sought professional help to deal with burn-out? I'm in a job that should be the best job for me, (no commute, relatively low stress, flexible, reasonable hours) but I'm miserable. I'm overwhelmed by my totally reasonable workload, and every time I enter the office I am paralyzed by a mix of anxiety and malaise. I don't know if this is linked to being a lawyer, being in this area of law, being in this job, or if I'm just a broken person who is bad at work. I don't know if I need a therapist or a career coach or what. I spoke to one career coach who charged $10,000! I suppose if that guaranteed I wouldn't be a ball of sadness for 8+ hours a day, it might be worth it, but I doubt there is any such guarantee. Yes. Don't do the career coach thing. So far as I can tell, most of them are ripoff artists who failed in actual careers and now try to make large amounts of money in the life coaching type industries. All that I have seen or dealt with have very little to offer, and give generalized advice like following your passion and "have you considered academia or government". Things that you can easily figure out for yourself. They have very little insight. My overall advice is not to ignore this. Do not think it is just you being lazy. Do not try to grind through it thinking it will get better. The way you describe your job is disturbingly similar to what I thought about mine - compared to others, my job was comparatively simple, I wasn't working 100 hour BigLaw weeks so what was wrong with me, etc. It does not matter. You feel how you feel, and continuing to try to pawn it off as something else will only magnify the harm. Burn-out, depression, anxiety, whatever it is, simply attempting to "grit through it" only heightens the end harm I think. PM me if you want to discuss anything further (or respond here, I don't care). Understand that I do not have a magical solution, but have been through it, so I at least have some understanding. SlyFrog fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jul 24, 2018 |
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See if your insurance covers therapy. Way better than a “life coach”
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ActusRhesus posted:See if your insurance covers therapy. Way better than a “life coach” God yes. I cannot believe I demolished the career/life coaching thing without actually affirmatively saying, "Get therapy." Mostly, I guess I just hate life coaches. There are really terrible therapists out there too. Do not be ashamed to shop around, so to speak. But unlike life coaches and career coaches, where I have never seen one who did not seem nearly fraudulent, there are good therapists.
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We have a hearing tomorrow with a litigant who has decided I am the author of all his troubles, based on a letter my judge told me to send half a decade ago. In pretty much every filing (or at least every other), he alleges some malevolence on my part. Usually for some diabolical act like mailing out a scheduling order he doesn't like. Oddly enough, he is not a sovereign citizen.
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Alaemon posted:We have a hearing tomorrow with a litigant who has decided I am the author of all his troubles, based on a letter my judge told me to send half a decade ago. In pretty much every filing (or at least every other), he alleges some malevolence on my part. Usually for some diabolical act like mailing out a scheduling order he doesn't like. I believe in you and I appreciate your patience
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Vox Nihili posted:My impression of the Chinese offices that I've interacted with is that the people there seem to be getting worked to death at a pace that exceeds even the standard biglaw grind. More often than not, associates in those offices will respond immediately to emails sent to them at 3 am their time. Associates in PRC firms get paid nothing and work all hours, but if they have BD skills or great contacts or are banging the managing partner or similar they can make partner a lot earlier than in US firms. Partners don’t seem to have meaningful liability to each other so people can be really relaxed about legal opinions. At many firms partners don’t share costs beyond office rental and utilities, so have their own stables of associates. HK work culture is 24/7 but I didn’t find that particularly different than being in a corporate group in a London firm tbh. The main difference is that in London you can do both Asia and US at ok times whereas in HK you’re often scheduling calls around late morning in US (if you’re lucky it’s east coast). Conscience-wise my worst deal was aircraft leasing for the Saudi government (US firm in London), nothing in China even came close in terms of making me feel I needed a shower afterwards. Re HK as has been noted upstream the main thing is your living space will be tiny. Really, really small.
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The professor (who is a retired judge) asks "What are the elements of battery?" One student calls out "fault." The professor doesn't acknowledge him. "What are the elements of battery?" he repeats. "FAULT," the student calls out more loudly. The professor tries one more time: "Come on, what are the elements of battery?" "FAULT!!!!" yells the student. There is a pause, then "It's not fault." The student yells "FUUUUUUUCCCCCCKK."
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MPRE studying is significantly less stressful and hectic than bar prep.
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Mr. Nice! posted:MPRE studying is significantly less stressful and hectic than bar prep. They are also locked in to asking the same questions with different phrasing every year. That's a test you can prep for by exclusively doing practice tests.
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Pook Good Mook posted:They are also locked in to asking the same questions with different phrasing every year. That's a test you can prep for by exclusively doing practice tests. So far on practice tests I'm over 90% so I'm probably going to be fine. Still gonna go through the prep-course from themis regardless. Soon i'll be a fully licensed unemployed attorney!
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Mr. Nice! posted:MPRE studying is significantly less stressful and hectic than bar prep. The MPRE is painfully easy. Don't waste too much time studying for it.
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Vox Nihili posted:The MPRE is painfully easy. Don't waste too much time studying for it. I'm not. I've done well on all my practice so far so I'm not really sweating it. But at the same time, it's not like I have anything else to do so I'm dedicating some time to actively studying.
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Vox Nihili posted:The MPRE is painfully easy. Don't waste too much time studying for it. I finished the test so quickly that when I handed the test to the proctor she thought I was going to the bathroom rather than turning it in. Standardized tests are the best.
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Just remember, you can't help the turtle until you do a conflict check and accept a retainer.
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Don’t gently caress your clients. Don’t rob your clients. Answer your phone (or have someone do it for you) Done.
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I spent at most 5 hours studying for the MPRE and felt like I over prepared after taking it.
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Studying experts aim for a slim pass - otherwise you've studied too much
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Ok guy, tone police this email for me before I send it: Dear OC, I did see that you called. Since it appears you only wanted to demand vociferously that my client dismiss it's lawsuit against yours, it appears I saved us both time by not returning your call. I actually thought you wanted to discuss the opportunity I had offered your other client to testify about her agreement to conspire with the one you're now also representing to commit fraud against my client, and the tortious interference your new client engaged in. Since your motion asks for sanctions against me for filling a "frivilous lawsuit", I thought it only fair that I advise you of the risk of being disbarred over the conflict of interests you've decided to take on. Regards, An Annoyed Blarzgh
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blarzgh posted:Ok guy, tone police this email for me before I send it: Its
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Just using the delete button:blarzgh posted:Ok guy, tone police this email for me before I send it: Being a lawyer is e z
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