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That Runelord strat means I have to use Tressa tho. I ended up just using Alfyn subbed as Merchant to have 9 sidesteps, and poisoned her forever
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Thief subclass seems tailor-made for Tressa given the Snatcher ability, I practically rushed to get all the Thief abilities just to unlock that one skill
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Jul 25, 2018 18:18
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Kashuno posted:That Runelord strat means I have to use Tressa tho. now that's what I call a win-win strategy
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Jul 25, 2018 18:19
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Your Computer posted:now that's what I call a win-win strategy
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Jul 25, 2018 18:22
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chlorophylls posted:therion's laugh is very cute wa hahahaha
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Jul 25, 2018 18:32
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If I had to pick a favorite thing about Therion I guess I'd have to say "everything."
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Jul 25, 2018 18:46
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Some Numbers posted:So what I'm getting from this is that I should not attempt any of the advanced jobs without the Dancer and Cleric Divine Skills? I didn't need them for Runelord or Warmaster. Runelord was two characters with Sidestep (with Merchant Olberic spamming Incite) and two characters with Saving Grave, with Alfyn constantly feeding BP, using Empoison, and Rehabilitate to prevent status effects. Warmaster is trivial simply with Transfer Rune on Tressa plus the counter passive on any character that knows it. Leghold is also crazy useful to have for these fights.
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Jul 25, 2018 18:47
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IcePhoenix posted:Hunter until you unlock warmaster, then warmaster. fezball posted:His stats are really balanced, so he can do just about everything competently. His default job is good enough that he doesn't really require additional damage options (although he can certainly make good use of them, it's just that the drains are so good that he can get by fine with just them). IcePhoenix posted:Therion can just do tons of damage as warmaster with the warmaster attacks, then refill his sp gague in one move. If you can time the warmaster divine with an enemy being broken it's worth a good 50-60k damage. Olberic provides emergency heals (which heal for a ton since he has a high elemental defense from equipment and stats) but otherwise screams a lot about his blade and can do upwards of 40K with his divine. Prim explodes things and provides the occasional buff. Alfyn provides buffs, heals, and bp to everyone in various ways, poisons bosses, and also helps with breaking defenses (don't underestimate the power of boosting the hired help skill, the mercenaries and dancers in there are cheap but can really turn the tide with their buff/debuffs) I had Therion as a hunter for a while, but I just wasn't really feeling like I ever had a reason to use his hunter stuff, unless I happened to need bow damage. Maybe I was just missing something? And I do indeed have Primrose as a scholar; she's my caster and main source of big damage once enemies are broken (those double-hit spells hurt a lot) I'm still a ways out from the advanced jobs, but I forgot that the merchant's hired help summons always hit all enemies, so that actually makes a good fit for Therion since he doesn't have any other AOE attacks. That'd mean swapping hunter with Alfyn... or I could just have Alfyn double up on thief since he always needs more SP to fuel his axe attacks, and Steal SP has the added benefit of double-hitting.
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is it just me or is the Hunter skillset not that impressive? H'annit shines for me mainly because of Linde and the pokemon grab bag you can amass for every situation. The Hunter as a subclass in itself is ok but Trueshot seems to be the only thing I use on anyone with the subclass, alongside Legtrap occasionally. In terms of weapons I just use Tressa for bows and Therion/Olberic/Alfyn with the Apothecary subclass for axes. Olberic in particular with Amputation is the poo poo.
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Jul 25, 2018 18:58
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How does speed on weapons work exactly? Does it just add it to your total? Going around the Chapter 4 zones now I'm finding my entire party acting after the enemies, which is really annoying. I even put the +80 speed accessory on a couple of them but the enemy almost always get their turn first (and I'm overleveled too!)
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Some Numbers posted:So what I'm getting from this is that I should not attempt any of the advanced jobs without the Dancer and Cleric Divine Skills? You need Dancer 100% for the Sorcerer and Starseer unless your level is pretty high. Cleric is optional for all of them but makes Runelord much much easier. Warlord requires you to have beaten Runelord first but is a free fight after that. The order I would recommend is Sorcerer -> Starseer -> Runelord -> Warmaster. I started them at level 37~ On an unrelated note, I don't necessarily want the stories to be connected, but it'd be nice if the stories also had hints strewn about them in the world as opposed to them forcefeeding you. Ophilias chapter 3/4 would have been a lot cooler if when you find out about a cult leader, the only other named character in her story hadn't JUST asked you about hey do you ever think god has totally abandoned us and what if YOU were god haha thatd be crazy huh DLC Inc posted:is it just me or is the Hunter skillset not that impressive? H'annit shines for me mainly because of Linde and the pokemon grab bag you can amass for every situation. The Hunter as a subclass in itself is ok but Trueshot seems to be the only thing I use on anyone with the subclass, alongside Legtrap occasionally. Hunter is kind of niche, but what it does it does well. The critical bow skill is useless because at some point I just stopped doing non-crits. Legtrap is good for bosses since it will let you get eight turns in a row (4 after the enemy recovers from break, 4 before next turn) to get in setup and a guaranteed break for lots of damage. The skill that hits all enemies 8 times with a bow is also a great shield breaking skill for grinding. Not to mention the GREAT passive skills. It's great weapon coverage on Therion and I used it on him for a long time, but eventually it'll get outclassed like all the other non-advanced. RazzleDazzleHour fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Jul 25, 2018 |
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DLC Inc posted:is it just me or is the Hunter skillset not that impressive? H'annit shines for me mainly because of Linde and the pokemon grab bag you can amass for every situation. The Hunter as a subclass in itself is ok but Trueshot seems to be the only thing I use on anyone with the subclass, alongside Legtrap occasionally. 404notfound posted:I had Therion as a hunter for a while, but I just wasn't really feeling like I ever had a reason to use his hunter stuff, unless I happened to need bow damage. Maybe I was just missing something? Arrowstorm does an awful lot of AoE damage and Therion makes the SP cost negligible, compared to H'aanit who I think has the smallest SP pool in the game?
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Some Numbers posted:So what I'm getting from this is that I should not attempt any of the advanced jobs without the Dancer and Cleric Divine Skills? I managed to do the Runelord without any divine skills, and then from there, with the rest, the only time I used divine skills was the Apothecary Divine skill for the Starseer fight. You just have to find workarounds and exploits for the fights. Once you find out their pattern, you can normally forumlate a strategy. Hint: concoct is OP
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Jul 25, 2018 19:11
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IcePhoenix posted:Arrowstorm does an awful lot of AoE damage and Therion makes the SP cost negligible, compared to H'aanit who I think has the smallest SP pool in the game? SP Pool is like this: Excellent: Ophilia Awesome: Cyrus Decent: Tressa, Primrose, Alfyn Mediocre: Olberic, Therion, H'aanit
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Jul 25, 2018 19:26
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Folt The Bolt posted:SP Pool is like this: makes sense but see previous comment about Therion being able to just refill it in one action, which H'aanit and Olberic can't do 
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Jul 25, 2018 19:27
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Folt The Bolt posted:SP Pool is like this: Primrose's SP pool is pretty lame considering how Bewildering Dance is 25p. Tressa's smaller SP pool is a non-issue at least for her base skills, which cost little or use monies instead. Guess I should respec my Ophilia subclass as Hunter/Warrior
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Jul 25, 2018 19:38
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100 degrees Calcium posted:If I had to pick a favorite thing about Therion I guess I'd have to say "everything." Therion is best boy and my favorite character. I imagine a lot of it is attached to him being my starter character but I just love his non-stop sass and he has some nice character depth and growth through his story. Plus I'm always a sucker for thief types.
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Jul 25, 2018 19:39
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IcePhoenix posted:makes sense To be honest, Olberic's AoE skill is also rather cheap. H'aanit's is very costly. Though it's made a nonissue for most of the game if you're like me and had everyone buy Merchant Skills for SP Saver. DLC Inc posted:Primrose's SP pool is pretty lame considering how Bewildering Dance is 25p. Tressa's smaller SP pool is a non-issue at least for her base skills, which cost little or use monies instead. Guess I should respec my Ophilia subclass as Hunter/Warrior Primrose's SP pool is kind of lame for someone like her that has a high elemental attack and whose damage output relies on magic spells. It's considerably less lame if you're making use of her dance buffs though.
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Folt The Bolt posted:To be honest, Olberic's AoE skill is also rather cheap. H'aanit's is very costly. Though it's made a nonissue for most of the game if you're like me and had everyone buy Merchant Skills for SP Saver. Well H'aanit is multitarget multihit, Olberic hits just once.
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Folt The Bolt posted:To be honest, Olberic's AoE skill is also rather cheap. H'aanit's is very costly. Though it's made a nonissue for most of the game if you're like me and had everyone buy Merchant Skills for SP Saver. I was really only responding to Therion v H'aanit earlier, I just mentioned Olberic in that post because he was shown to be on the same tier of SP pool. Also since my Olberic is a cleric I don't really have SP issues because some of his gear gives +SP.
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Did a little testing because I was curious, and bad news for Therion lovers. I tried both the Cleric and Dancer divine skills in regards to Share SP. You can't pass SP to everyone, so Dancer skill just doesn't work at all. Share SP will still activate twice via the Cleric skill, but the second pass won't actually give any SP once you run out, so you can't boost 4x and give someone like 999 SP. One thing you CAN do though is use Boost Share SP to donate your entire SP pool to someone and it will overheal them, I did it to Ophilia and she ended up with like 550 SP. There's also an accessory you get from a quest in the 3rd tier city in the winter zone where you gotta tell the guy about all the dragons. He gives you the Dragon Scarf, which gives you 6 SP per turn, meaning even if Therion gives away his entire SP pool the next turn you'll still be able to use SP Thief and fill back up.
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Jul 25, 2018 20:05
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Do you have to finish everyone's stories to get to the full ending? I only ask because I'm really looking forward to doing H'annit's stuff.
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Jul 25, 2018 20:13
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:There's also an accessory you get from a quest in the 3rd tier city in the winter zone where you gotta tell the guy about all the dragons. He gives you the Dragon Scarf, which gives you 6 SP per turn, meaning even if Therion gives away his entire SP pool the next turn you'll still be able to use SP Thief and fill back up. You can steal or buy one of these from Tressa's mom too. I have one on Tressa with Second Wind and SP Saver, so my Scholar spells are basically free.
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I feel bad skipping cutscenes, but Ophilia's story is so boring so far in chapter 1 and 2.. every other character is awesome, though. About 23 hours into the game and loving it still. My primary party ends up being: Therion (Merchant) Alfyn (Scholar) Cyrus (Dancer) story / Olberic (Apothacery / Hunter) / H'aanit (Warrior) this is a really difficult fourth slot to decide on outside of story time. Having 2x Scholars makes random encounters complete in a round or two, and gives me a ton of break capabilities. I eventually should probably not use 2x Scholar as a setup but for now it works very well.
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Jul 25, 2018 20:16
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Boost bewildering make it better?
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Jul 25, 2018 20:17
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Some Numbers posted:Do you have to finish everyone's stories to get to the full ending? I only ask because I'm really looking forward to doing H'annit's stuff. You have to beat everyone's chapter 4s, a few subsequent sidequests, and a post game section to get the full story for each character and the links between them.
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Jul 25, 2018 20:19
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Bombadilillo posted:Boost bewildering make it better? You get an extra cast for each boost so yes kind of
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Jul 25, 2018 20:21
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Bombadilillo posted:Boost bewildering make it better? In the sense that rolling twice is probably better than once, yeah. It doesn't change the odds for good vs bad outcomes, so far as I've seen.
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:Did a little testing because I was curious, and bad news for Therion lovers. I tried both the Cleric and Dancer divine skills in regards to Share SP. You can't pass SP to everyone, so Dancer skill just doesn't work at all. Share SP will still activate twice via the Cleric skill, but the second pass won't actually give any SP once you run out, so you can't boost 4x and give someone like 999 SP. As a Therion lover, this doesn't affect me because Therion's SP is for Therion to murder with 
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:Yeah you pretty much have to take him from yellow health to dead before he can get a single move off. Wait wait wait wait.....you can see the health of an enemy without judging it by steal(etc.)-percentage???
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Jul 25, 2018 20:31
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So do none of the advanced jobs have healing spells? If you guys are talking about having all of them in the party at once, are you pretty much locked into having Ophilia in the party? I'm only partway through the Ch3s but I can't imagine not having Heal More available at all times.
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Jul 25, 2018 20:32
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Phenotype posted:So do none of the advanced jobs have healing spells? If you guys are talking about having all of them in the party at once, are you pretty much locked into having Ophilia in the party? I'm only partway through the Ch3s but I can't imagine not having Heal More available at all times. Well Alfyn can do a group heal as well of course
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tuo posted:Wait wait wait wait.....you can see the health of an enemy without judging it by steal(etc.)-percentage??? Yellow enemy names usually indicate "halfway there" so for that boss, yellow means floor it and kill that fucker before he can murder you. Alternately burn one of your scholars' turns and use Analyze for a health display that lasts like 5 seconds. Phenotype posted:So do none of the advanced jobs have healing spells? If you guys are talking about having all of them in the party at once, are you pretty much locked into having Ophilia in the party? I'm only partway through the Ch3s but I can't imagine not having Heal More available at all times. They don't but Runelord-Merchant can use Transfer Rune to apply Rest to the whole party. 
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You can also subclass anyone into cleric Having the four "advanced" jobs all equipped isn't necessarily optimal and probably outright bad for most of the game.
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Wow I walked in to the archmagus expecting to wipe with my b-team after trying warmaster earlier in my playthrough. What I got instead was Olberic just snapping a old man in half. I feel like he was supposed to use his debuff/no buff gimmick more but outside the first time he never did it again and I was just putting reflect on everyone + poison so he just self nuked for the most part while Olberic chunked out like 30k per swing. No-one on my party even died which shocked me.
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tuo posted:Wait wait wait wait.....you can see the health of an enemy without judging it by steal(etc.)-percentage??? Yeah, the enemy’s name changes color: white->green->yellow->red I assumed this is 25% for each but I haven’t checked.
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DalaranJ posted:Yeah, the enemy’s name changes color: white->green->yellow->red Wait green? I've literally never seen green. It just goes White -> Yellow -> Red 
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Well H'aanit is multitarget multihit, Olberic hits just once. True, but I think Olberic's is better for pure damage. H'aanit's is good for breaking, but to be frank, that's all it really has going for it. (It does it very well though.)
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I also want to take a moment to state that the games second favorite boss trope outside of Large guy and two Smaller guys is Large Guy sitting in a chair and being too lazy to bother. I think I've seen like 4 so far lmao.Folt The Bolt posted:True, but I think Olberic's is better for pure damage. H'aanit's is good for breaking, but to be frank, that's all it really has going for it. (It does it very well though.) H'aanit is a broken unit in my game in that I can get her close to Olberic's damage, and I can get her accuracy just about the same but she for some reason seems to miss loving everything. Like I've missed some critical attacks and it's only her that keeps loving up and argh
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:H'aanit is a broken unit in my game in that I can get her close to Olberic's damage, and I can get her accuracy just about the same but she for some reason seems to miss loving everything. Like I've missed some critical attacks and it's only her that keeps loving up and argh H'aanit has the highest accuracy though. Though, I guess it doesn't help that the Hunter moveset's damage moves doesn't really play off of her biggest strengths, since the multi-hit moves is always random in how many hits will actually hit (but always hits at least three times) and the one that isn't a multi-hit move always crits. Subclassing solves this issue somewhat.
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