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I think Performer is Performer because people have an irrational hatred of Bards.
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Patter Song posted:I think Performer is Performer because people have an irrational hatred of Bards. Probably from DnD and causing like, literally every halfbreed.
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Is it that irrational of a hatred when the vast majority of bards in fantasy media are portrayed as flouncy, weak comedy-relief characters that can't do anything right? Yeah, a good bard is really cool, but they don't show up too often.
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Silegna posted:Probably from DnD and causing like, literally every halfbreed. I blame Tellah.
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Rainuwastaken posted:Yeah, a good bard is really cool Especially when they're all like, "maybe you guys should share your dragon horde with the guy who killed the dragon and his lake town friends. You know instead of being assholes and hogging it all."
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I blame Tellah. Tellah beat up the bard. Did you mean Edward?
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Tellah was the one who has the quote that made Bards infamous for being wimps, though, even if Edward set the precedent.
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On the tabletop end, opinion is going the other way in Dungeons and Dragons as the bard went from being 'tier 3' in DnD3e (not amazing, but not awful), to just as good as everyone else in 4e, to "best class in the game able to do everything" in 5e as a party of four differently specialised bards is probably superior to most other traditional party compositions.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Tellah was the one who has the quote that made Bards infamous for being wimps, though, even if Edward set the precedent. That was all Edward, actually.
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Entry 89: Edea Lee: Her Father's Successor or Genocidal Maniac? Partway through their takedown of the Black Blades, the party visits Eleanor in Hartschild.  Of course, she, like almost everyone else, has no idea what the party already knows about them.  I am Commander Goodman's wife. Please call me Eleanor. My husband has told me to receive you and your companions as guests of the state, vestal. Please, make yourselves at home.Eleanor tries to be the perfect wife and a stoic presence in the town, but she's secretly sad and lonely.  Her husband's away, and when pressed, it turns out their relationship has trust issues.  Oh, there's no need to go to any trouble for us.Speaking of, where is the resident ninja? Not here apparently, so the party leaves for now.   Ah! I almost forgot the shopping list! Datz and Zatz had some requests, too. This must be Datz's list. Let's see here... "Coarsely ground sausage and Hart salami, two barrels each." All that for one person? And for Zatz, let's see... "Cheese 'with holes in it.'" Why am I not surprised? And the proprietress? What does she want? "One barrel of salted pork, one clump of Eisen rock salt, and five barrels of potatoes." Come to think of it, that's an awful lot for us to carry all by ourselves. There's more... "The gifts are for the commander's wife and any townsfolk that help you." Gifts? That's right. She gave it to me when we left Grandship. A barrel chock-full of dried seaweed and dried fish. The town is ringed by volcanoes and plagued by civil war. I'm sure they will be delighted to get some of the sea's bounty. The proprietress sure thinks of everything. How about we buy a gift for her this time? Great idea!The party takes their time doing their shopping, and eventually everything's done except the delivery to Eleanor.  Wait. That blue quest marker's new...  As expected, Goodman meets the party at the door.  Oh, Commander Goodman. Good to see you made it home. I came as soon as I could when I heard the wind vestal was holding a banquet in my honor. A banquet...? My wife is also most pleased. You can see she's all in a bustle getting things-- Commander Goodman! Please call your wife in here at once! What!? But why?We've already been through this several times and want to move on to the next Eternian.  But before the party can move there's a familiar scream: Aaaah! We were too late!Goodman runs off to Eleanor. Tiz starts to follow, but Ringabel holds out a hand.  Things go as expected.  The body is placed in the bedroom and everyone gathers in the main hall.  We believe a blow to the back of her head with a blunt object is what killed her, but we haven't found a weapon. We've placed her body in bed for now. I'm more concerned at the fact the front door-- Won't open, right. This is all feeling very familiar. What do we do?C'mon, Tiz. Like you really have to ask whether we should beat up the bad guy.  The party will first ensure the others aren't bumbling around, getting in the way of the carnage. Commander Goodman, I must ask you and the others to stay here. Alright. But...what is going on?The party skips off to the bedroom, surrounding the body of the servant.  Rascals that they are, they decide to have some fun first. Who could have done it!? It could be the covert unit of the Black Blades... Perhaps one of them disguised themselves as the servant! Yah!The servant's body rolls off the bed and hops to her feet.  As we thought. Hah! Just as I suspected. It is our second time around. Ihaveyettoslaymymark.Trustthewindvestalandhertrooptoshowupattheworstpossibletime.Well,itseemsIhavenochoicebut Yeah, we know... You can skip the speech, Konoe Kikyo.Please.    ...................... Here she comes! Soon the party returns to the main hall.  Not much, to be honest. Kikyo was a pushover at this point.  Yes, indeed. Without an explanation, we are all in the dark... Well, to put it plainly... A ninja of the Black Blades had disguised herself as the servant Nastassja, and plotted to kill you all. She used the wind vestal's name to get you here. We were able to stop her in time, though.You know, before you embarrassed yourself with all that office gossip.  Completely fabricated. How could this happen? The Shieldbearers almost suffered a tremendous loss. How did you see through the enemy's ruse, Wind Vestal? ...... She saw a vision! ... ......Sure, why not. Wait, Edea! Let it go. It's not too far from the truth, after all. Oh, one more thing, Eleanor. Ah, yes? You would do well to check the cellar. You may find Nastassja tied up down there. I will! I guess that's case closed, then? Thank you so much, Lady Vestal. You have done us a great service.And so, with minimum fuss and a very impressed crowd...  Kikyo Konoe's murder mystery comes to an end.  Yes, well...With Kikyo down, there are only two Black Blade leaders left, both in the Swordbearer fort to the north.  Never found out what happened to all those canary boys and Egil, but likely the best thing we can do is wrap up this war.  The traveling merchant outside is selling a new weapon.  First, Qada's in his lab, but this time he's not alone. The party hides behind the wall to eavesdrop.   All's fair in war, I say! Victory must be achieved at all costs! That is what war is all about! Right you are. Hmph. "Show respect for the enemy"!? "The goal is not simply to kill"!? Bah! Hmph, he's far too old to spout such childish nonsense. Pride and honor are merely shackles on the battlefield. This brown-noser appears to be particularly stupid. Not a threat to the party, but no need to kill him if it can be avoided. He seems to think that waving a sword around in battle makes him superior! What an outmoded concept! If anyone deserves credit, it's you, Dr. Qada. You treat not only your wounded allies, but the wounded Shieldbearers who fought against you. I have to admire you for that. Oh hyah hyah. Do you really think so? Yes, you are quite right. Is that by order of the swordmaster? Of course not. He would never approve of such actions. I have used my own judgment in this case. Really? But what if word gets out? You'd get in trouble, Dr. Qada. Oh, do not worry about me. I merely seek to treat as many of the wounded as I can.Boy, Qada really gets a kick out of having a fanboy. Good thing the party's too wise to fall for tha--  Bless their hearts. Yes. Not quite how it went last time. Do you think he actually has a heart?The soldier exits, leaving Qada alone. The party takes the opportunity to jumpscare Qada.  Wh-what!? Who goes there!? My name is Edea Lee! That aside, is it true that you've been treating wounded Shieldbearers, though you're an officer of the Black Blades? Why!? Can it be that you truly have a heart? Do you seek to aid the masses? If so, then help us end this war. This would be more surprising if he hadn't started with the "'The goal is not simply to kill'!? Bah!" line. Hyah hyah, oh, that is rich. The very idea makes me laugh. What? You are somewhat misguided. Can you not understand that I need as many live bodies as possible for my experiments!? Live bodies? Experiments!? Exactly! I am Dr. Qada, salve-maker. From weapons of mass murder to tonics of resurrection... There is no salve I cannot make! But when it comes to testing my concoctions, there are many obstacles. I cannot simply use wounded allies as specimens, can I? It is far cheaper and more efficient to use captured enemies. Do you not agree? Mrgrgr...! I should have known you were the monster I always took you for! I've been thoroughly duped! Where is the master sample of your deadly toxin!? Unlike last time, there's no master sample in Grapp Keep. Not to worry, though. I still remember the recipe right down to the tiniest detail. I can craft more when needed, and give those Shieldbearers another dose of my medicine. Nyah hyah hyah! We must put an end to him now! Of course! The party takes Qada down...  But it's implied he's tricked them again and remains alive.  Kamiizumi won't be there to stop Qada, either, since we're taking him down next.  This time around, Kamiizumi doesn't appear here until after the Fire Crystal's been awakened, all the better to be disappointed in us.  So the Fire Crystal has been awakened. It has all been in vain. The war we started in this realm... The deaths of both ally and foe... And the demise of the fire vestal... Do you not think so, you who resemble a disciple I once favored? The next pair of scenes has several variations. If you haven't defeated Braev and spoken to the Gossipmonger in Eternia, you get scenes from Chapter 3/4.  But we've come prepared. Yes... So you could not have faith in his words... Your mother must have been saddened. She knew the whole story, and urged me to follow my heart. I see. That does sound like your mother. Did you do all this for my mother, Master? What do you mean by that? I know the whole thing. That you and my father dueled many years ago over Mother... That you answered Father's call to arms and seized the Earth Crystal... This had never been mentioned before now, but okay. There seem to be a lot of important bits left out of cutscenes, which is pretty damning considering how wordy this game is. Despite your pride in the way of the sword, you even started a war in the guise of a mercenary. And ordered the use of assassination and toxic weapons...Don't forget turning a blind eye to the child slavery!  Knowing that Edea's birth is what wrecked Mahzer's body explains some things. You fool!! Do you not see that your words demean both you and your mother!? B-but... I took up arms for the templar, a close friend, and the husband of the one I once loved. Though he may lie defeated, with the ideals he held fading fast... I will fight to defeat any foe of his! Even you, Braev's daughter, and my favored disciple... Master! Draw steel, Edea!Edea places her concern for her mother's condition above almost all else. She consistently assumes others do the same.  While Kamiizumi and Braev clearly care about Mahzer, the reasoning behind their life decisions is more complex -- something Edea, relatively inexperienced and probably obsessed with guilt over her mother, fails to grasp.  But that's just an easy guess. Master! ...... Kamiizumi is fading fast...  ...and is gone before he can give an answer. Master... To get the previous scene required a very specific circumstance: Not only do you have do Braev and the Gossipmonger first, you must have all four crystals awakened. If not all crystals are awakened but the other requirements are complete, you get this scene instead:  Master... Why!? Answer me! Master! Edea... My...disciple... ......Either way, it's the end for Kamiizumi, the Black Blades, the Swordbearer's war...  And our sidequests. Before heading back to the Holy Pillar, there are a couple last things to wrap up.  After defeating Kamiizumi and Braev, Edea gains the courage to speak to her mother about the past.  What is it, child? You look troubled. Oh, it's just... I've heard some things. About when Father and my master were young... Poor Mahzer's spent a couple decades or so being the hottest gossip in town. Is it true what they say? That Father and my master dueled over you? No, that is not the case. They are both poor with words. They merely let their blades do the talking. For three days and nights? I suppose it can't be helped that people thought it was a duel. They said my master went to confess his love for you after he won... They have that wrong, too. I still remember the day he came to my village like it was yesterday. "He let me win, the scoundrel!" He looked furious. "You only have eyes for the templar. It must be you who tells that stubborn fool." Then your heart was Father's from the beginning? Yes... I had been infatuated with him since we were children. Soon after Kamiizumi left the village, your father came. Then, he told me of his love. It was a joyous day... He and I were betrothed, and I moved to the city of Eternia. Sir Kamiizumi had already left on a journey to master the art of the sword. That upset your father greatly. He hoped for his blessing more than any other's. I have struck him down, Mother... Master... And Father, too...Boy, that gossip's going to just love Edea taking down her father and mentor. What a grimly juicy conclusion to the drama!  Your father's blood courses through your veins, and much of Sir Kamiizumi has rubbed off on you. Like them, you settle your problems with the blade. That is something you can likely never change... ...... But remember... It is thanks to your master that we survived the Great Plague. You would not be here if not for him. I am alive today only because Sir Kamiizumi stood by your father when he needed aid. The same Kamiizumi who instilled the way of the sword within you. It's nice to think of Kamiizumi looking down from heaven or wherever, smiling at Edea's decision to murder whenever she has a disagreement with anybody. ...... I know, Mother.The party decides to make a trip out to Gravemark Village, the very town where Edea's father proposed to her mother.  Edea insists they spend the night, one last bit of quiet before heading to the Pillar of Light.  As they settle in, Edea pipes up. Really!? But, Edea, last time you acted as if you'd never seen this place before. Well, heh heh... That's what I thought, but... Have you remembered something? Umm...how many years ago was that? I was still quite young. I'd finished my lessons and was returning to Eternian Central Command from the city when I got hopelessly lost. Here in these passages? That must've been awful. It was. I walked and walked, but nothing I saw looked familiar. I finally fell to my knees and began wailing like a baby. That's when my father found me. He was running, and covered in sweat. "You had us worried to death," he said. A loving father desperately searching for his dearest daughter... It was already late, so we settled down in a small cottage for the night. Here in this village? Isn't this where your mother and father were born and raised? That's right. And the next day I received a good scolding. Heh heh... He told me how he had Master Nobutsuna and even Einheria out looking for me. Ha ha ha. I imagine that was one epic scolding, alright. But why are you remembering all this now? That Eternian sweet bean bun jogged my memory. Eternian sweet bean bun? You mean that pastry we had back in the city? That enormous sugary monstrosity? Yes, I wasn't supposed to waste my money on sweets, but I bought one anyway. It was so big, it cast a shadow over my head! Anyway, I was walking along stuffing my face... ...when suddenly I realized I had strayed far to the east of the Central Passage. A ha ha ha! That's just like you, Edea! But I'm surprised the grand marshal was able to find you. About that... I found out later my father had done something much the same when he was a child. Ha ha ha, like father, like daughter! That's what Master Nobutsuna and Einheria said the following day.[img]https://lpix.org/2703269/agnes_happy.png[img][/img] Hee hee hee, your master and fellow student know you all too well. That is just like you, Edea, to have food jog your memory like that. Heh heh...Next: Onto bigger and brighter things! -- Event Viewer Sub-Scenario: Commander Goodman's Residence Tragedy at the Banquet? The Jig is Up You are the Culprit! The Vestal's Vision! Qada has a Heart? Thoroughly Duped! A Strong Resemblance For My Mother? Do You Still Love Her? Because I Am Her Daughter? The Truth of the Matter Party Chat: Shopping in Hartschild Edea Remembers! D's Journal: Edea Lee posted:In the second world, Edea confronted Swordmaster Kamiizumi at Starkfort regarding the love triangle she had heard about in Eternia. She asked if it was true that he fought unwillingly for her mother's sake. A sorrowful look came over his face as he rebuked her, calling her a fool. D's Journal: Eleanor Goodman posted:After receiving permission from Commander Goodman to stay in Hartschild, we went to meet Eleanor, who was holding down the fort at her residence. Her smile was as lovely as ever, and I couldn't help but take comfort at the sight of her kindly face. D's Journal: Swordmaster Kamiizumi posted:Edea's mother told us the true story of the templar and swordmaster. After winning the duel, the swordmaster told her she should marry the templar, and left on his journey of training. She told Edea she should be thankful for the friendship the swordmaster had shown her father, and for him teaching her the ways of the sword. D's Journal: Qada the Salve-Maker posted:In the world beyond the Holy Pillar, we found salve-maker Qada and a subordinate speaking in the Swordbearers' lair of Starkfort. In this world, Qada seems to be treating wounded Shieldbearer soldiers as well as his Swordbearer allies. We thought he may have turned over a new leaf, but he only wanted to use them in his experiments. We took him on, and defeated him. D's Journal: Mahzer Lee posted:Edea's mother told her the true story of the swordmaster and her father. Far from the frivolous tale of rumor, it conveyed the swordmaster's devotion to his friend, and unwavering support for the husband of the woman he loved. He strived to lead Edea down the right path as her master, and he stayed true to her family to the end. D's Journal: Braev the Templar posted:Edea's mother told her what had happened between the swordmaster and her father. It was not the typical tale of romance she had expected, but a story of friendship and mutual respect. The swordmaster stood by the templar and led Edea on the right path, showing great affection for the daughter of the woman he loved and his closest friend. 
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I do kind of like this run emphasizing that understand people doesn't necessarily help you persuade them of anything.
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well at some point we're showing up after their work has all been ruined and then stabbing them in the face anyways
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Wait, the party is carrying multiple barrels of food back to Granship? And Edea managed to miss them lugging a barrel of fish into town? I know RPG inventories are crazy but that is a bit much.
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werbear posted:Wait, the party is carrying multiple barrels of food back to Granship? And Edea managed to miss them lugging a barrel of fish into town? Edea also managed to miss Alternis's face despite being raised in the same house for many years so I can easily believe she didn't notice the barrel of fish. Hell, she was probably the one who lugged the barrel into town in the first place.
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Greyarc posted:It's nice to think of Kamiizumi looking down from heaven or wherever, smiling at Edea's decision to murder whenever she has a disagreement with anybody. Greyarc posted:
Oh no. 
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Man, I kinda like that twist with how Edea completely misunderstood how her pops and teacher fought in the past. Makes her going on and on about her mom to Kamiizumi pretty funny.
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The only thing that could've made it better would've been if Kamiizumi wasn't interested in Mahzer and had only been trying to get Braev to confess the entire time, then left town tired of them being dense as bricks.
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Mahzer, I'm sorry to inform you that Braev is more oblivious than a harem protagonist. Please marry him and put an end to this nonsense. Thank you.
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Entry 90: Go Into the Light Once again, the party has undergone a world-spanning journey, destroying a villainous duchy and awakening the sacred crystals.  At the end, they've made their way to the Pillar of Light, the promise of their journey's end right around the corner.  But this time, relief is mixed with a hefty dose of skepticism. We never found out what went wrong the first time. All we've gotten is increasingly blatant warnings that maybe, just maybe, things aren't as black and white as the party originally thought. Not just in regard to the Duchy and Orthodoxy, but the crystals themselves.  ...Which leads to now. Will this work?  It is rather overwhelming. So we must enter the light again, it seems. It almost stings the skin, don't you think? Yes, I feel the same. Grin and bear it! We must succeed this time!Strange. Before, the light felt cozy, like home...  Ringabel guides Grandship to the center of the pillar as the party tries to ignore their rising discomfort.  In the center, Airy begins her ritual to save the world. But this time...  I'll make sure all goes to plan this time! This time something feels off. The game's begun playing the same quietly tense music here as during the mansion murder mystery segment.  Meanwhile, the party prepares for the worst. Airy is really giving it her all. She may feel responsible for things going awry last time. Can you make some notes in your journal, Ringabel?Previously, the party blanked out in the Holy Pillar and woke up in Caldisla, half a world away.  Whatever occurred in the interim was forgotten, but if (god forbid) it happens again, they'll be ready.  But I am not sure how much I can do... Besides the piloting, there is one other problem.Tiz starts to question Ringabel-- *CRASH* But is interrupted by what sounds like a ship crashing nearby.  Yes, we'll have him to deal with when he comes. You mean we have to go through that again!? Let us head to the deck! Alternis ignores Edea for a moment, searching around distractedly.  Where is she? Who do you mean? This is new. The previous version of Alternis paid no attention to Airy. You mean Airy? Airy? But why? Tell me where she is, now! Just what do you intend to do to her!? Slay her, of course! Once she is gone, this will end! Do not try to stop us! How could you betray the grand marshal? Your own father! Can you not see the grief you have caused!? It is always the same with you! You never listen to me! You and my father have done nothing but stand in my way! When you shattered the skystone on the Eschalot! When we entered the Eternian Central Command! You hindered us at every step!There are many games -- stories in general -- where characters sharing information could've prevented great tragedy.  By now it's obvious Bravely Default goes all in on this. They construct the entire plot around this fundamentally frustrating plot device.  And in this case, the writers know it. Edea's meant to be speaking for the player. We're tired of it. We've gotten 99% of the way to saving the world twice now. How do we still know so little about what we're doing? Adding onto that, so much of what happened was a repeat of the first run through, or gave even less information than before. DeRosso was probably the nadir, offering nothing but vaguely snarky comments despite the party's curiosity. Alternis here is our last chance for information. He knows something important the party doesn't. If he has any brains at all, now is when he should make his intentions clear. Tell us what's going on, why he wants to kill Airy, why the party should stop what they're doing. C'mon, Alternis. Buddy. Pal. Consider your priorities. You can do it. ...... You... Alternis...? Who are you? What?Alternis shakes his head wildly.  Ah, the Alternis we know and love. Distracted by his crush. I don't...The ship sways, nearly throwing everyone off their feet.  Uh-oh. It's shaking! You...! You are all trying to deceive me! Stand aside, cowardly fools! Or your blood shall soak this dark blade!It's too late now. Alternis's been infected by the same anti-clarification virus as the other Eternians.  Unfortunately, the outcome to this virus almost always involves flinging yourself into unwinnable battles. Fortunately, Alternis is different from other Eternians in one particular way: Once he's gotten an adrenaline rush from combat he just loves talking about all the things he know.  She intends to let the power of the crystals run wild! You have all fallen for her ruse. That includes you, Wind Vestal! Awakening the crystals will not save the world! On the contrary, it shall bring the world to ruin! I heard this from the grand marshal himself! Our true enemy is not the wind vestal, but the cryst-fairy!That explains why the Sky Knights were ordered to protect Agnès. But who told Braev this? We spoke to Braev, Yulyana, DeRosso -- did one of them hold back information from us? Why? After fending off more attacks, Agnès responds:   Cryst-fairies guide the vestals from the path of danger. They are the embodiment of the crystals' light! Clearly deceptions fabricated by the Orthodoxy!We've already reached an impasse. Either the Orthodoxy lied and Airy's plan is bad, or Eternia's working with misconstrued information from a vague prophecy.  Regardless of the player's opinion, neither Alternis nor the party are going to give up their side at this point. There's nothing left to do but finish the battle.  Same as before...  Alternis has an impeccable pompadour.  The ship shakes and he's thrown overboard before Edea and Ringabel can react.  But this time, watching his doppelgänger die makes something in Ringabel snap.  Ahhhhhh!He collapses.  As he goes unconscious, his vision fades to white...       What was all that? Some of those events might've been from the party's journey, but others...were distinctly not.  Tiz's voice breaks through, dragging Ringabel back to this reality.  Urnh... Are you alright!? You just keeled over... We were worried! Before Ringabel can respond, the ship starts violently shaking again.  Y-yes, I'm fine... Then let's hurry back to the bridge!Explanations will have to wait until the party's not about to crash into the middle of the ocean.  The others rush off, leaving Ringabel behind. My memory...seems to have returned... I see now... All is clear...He returns to the others.  Ringabel! I'm trying! She won't come around!If Ringabel's memories are to be trusted, he knew the party before the game started.  But if so, when and how? Had the party done all this before we joined them? If Ringabel really was a version of Alternis, how did he survive? And what happened to the version of the party in his memories?  What happened before the game started? This has to work...Is this the right thing to do?      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Now that we've finished chapter 5, we're out of what is arguably the most boring part of the game.  Before we get to the fun stuff, though, I'm taking a summer break to make some buffer entries, catch up on actual work, and get out of the heat.
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For gently caress's sake, game. 
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Oh hey, someone finally decided to share what they know with the party. In a fight to the death, I suppose, but it's progress? Also, I'm assuming Alternis saying she's not Edea is because of the reason we speculated earlier: Ominas killed the Edea of this world. kw0134 posted:For gently caress's sake, game. Remember how the adventurer kept saying it only gets worse from here? This is what they meant. 
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Oh that's just super.
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Okay, so at this point, now that the game's tipped it's hand a bit, I think we can talk about this a bit. Chapter 5 shouldn't exist. There's nothing that happens in chapter five that couldn't have been dovetailed with chapter 6. Sure, maybe have the party fart around and do their "wait is... this... what actually is this" shtick on Caldisla, but after that, just start using the Chapter 6 material. While repetition is necessary, the real issue is how much of it there is, and how little new material is in between it. Aside from its opening, getting Braev's backstory, and to a lesser degree Alternis, there isn't any new information in Chapter 5. Without getting into what's different in Chapter 6, it IS different, and if we got right into it Bravely Default would have been such a better game. (I still like it quiiiiite a bit, I mean if I didn't I wouldn't really have thought about how to make it better!) CmdrKing fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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CmdrKing posted:I guess it's the first time get get a crack at *potential minor spoiler* You can't get that in Chapter 5, that's not available until Chapter 6, so you should probably remove that from your post just to be safe if Greyarc doesn't want it brought up until later.
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Done and done. I feel this proves my point though, they bleed together!
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Oh hey, someone finally decided to share what they know with the party. In a fight to the death, I suppose, but it's progress? ooooor... Edea got swapped out with a doppelganger after the first pillar incident and we've been traveling with the thing this whole time. 
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Aug 7, 2018 02:15
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*sad trombone noises* That is about the only reaction I consider appropriate at this point.
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Aug 7, 2018 02:20
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Edea lashes out against Alternis for all the things that he did the previous time. What she has forgotten in the heat of the moment is that this is not the Alternis who did all that. Meanwhile, Alternis realizes that this isn't the Edea he knows, and is able to focus more on his real mission instead of staying wrapped up in his obsessions like the last one did. ...Where has this Alternis been, anyway? MightyPretenders fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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Aug 7, 2018 02:25
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Presumably, Braev told him about the Holy Pillar sooner and he's been flying around the coordinates it's supposed to show up on the off chance Braev isn't a master negotiator.
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Aug 7, 2018 03:33
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Man, what a waste Chapter 5 was. This could've been so much more, but instead it was just filler. I guess we could argue that it drove home the point that the loop had been going for a while and that the characters (or at least Ringabel) are caught in a vicious circle... But it didn't have to make the player redo the whole game just for that.
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Aug 7, 2018 04:01
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Glad to see that Haruhi's Endless Eight arc was so influential.
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Aug 7, 2018 04:09
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To be fair, this barely compares to that monstrosity of a troll.
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Aug 7, 2018 04:13
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GimmickMan posted:Man, what a waste Chapter 5 was. This could've been so much more, but instead it was just filler. I guess we could argue that it drove home the point that the loop had been going for a while and that the characters (or at least Ringabel) are caught in a vicious circle... But it didn't have to make the player redo the whole game just for that. How would you do it better? I don't see any really obvious ways.
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Aug 7, 2018 04:58
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You've got to be kidding.  At least Drakengard had some different content when you replayed.
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Aug 7, 2018 05:01
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I know I've pointed out that the boss refights are optional, but I really feel that they...aren't what you should do, at all. I suspect they're mainly there so you can round up whatever asterisks you missed in Chapters 1-4, then light the crystals and move on to Chapter 6. You could easily plow through Chapter 5 in 2-3 hours if you did it that way.
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Aug 7, 2018 05:32
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Malah posted:You've got to be kidding. Hey, this had some unique stuff too! ...Like the Profiteur scene that you lock yourself out of by playing normally and doing his side quest when it appears.
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Aug 7, 2018 05:43
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ultrafilter posted:How would you do it better? I don't see any really obvious ways. Assuming that chapter 6 is us doing the time warp again, you can pretty much cut everything in chapter 5 and have the same key points presented in chapter 6: you've gone back to an alternate timeline and awaking the crystals and going to the pillar of light didn't work. Also the reveal that Airy is not on the up-and-up and you should doubt what she's telling you. That's pretty much it.
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Aug 7, 2018 05:49
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Y’all are rushing to conclusions. What’s being said is “food morning,” clearly in reference to the all-day feast the party is about to get for saving the world for real this time.
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ultrafilter posted:How would you do it better? I don't see any really obvious ways. I think a big part of the issue (at least for me when I played, anyway) is just how... apathetic the party is about the whole thing. There's so much more they could do to try and get some answers about what's going on or why other people are doing things, but they just make no effort at all. The idea of a timeloop/alternate world where things happened a little differently is a storytelling conceit I really like, that lends itself well to a good mystery, but when the characters themselves seem to just be uncuriously going through the motions, it turns the whole thing into a slog. Yeah, you can skip 90% of it, but that only works if you know about it ahead of time. Playing blind I was constantly expecting events to diverge, for the party to do things differently or at least ask some of the obvious questions, and so the whole world was just a constant string of underwhelming nonevents.
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