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G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider
I see a lawyer in the Courthouse that I've had one case against. She works for big firms.

"Hey Scraps, I'm looking for an associate. Want a job?"

"Nah."

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BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
Huh?


Nap Ghost
Also using the delete button:

blarzgh posted:

Ok guy, tone police this email for me before I send it:

Dear OC,

I did call to demand vociferously your burly dictesty. Her agreement to commit your new client interests me.

Regards,
An Annoyed Blarzgh

I don't know what a "dictesty" is, but is sounds like some that, when burly, Blarzgh wants.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Jul 13, 2021

ActusRhesus
Sep 18, 2007

"Perhaps the fact the defendant had to be dragged out of the courtroom while declaring 'Death to you all, a Jihad on the court' may have had something to do with the revocation of his bond. That or calling the judge a bald-headed cock-sucker. Either way."
As someone who sits on both the ethics and grievance committees, I’d say lay off the reference to their alleged professional misconduct. If you really think a violation occurred, you have a duty to report in most states. If a violation didn’t clearly occur it makes you look like a petty douche with empty threats.

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.
agreed

thats one of those emails that will feel good to send in the moment but will not accomplish anything good longterm

Discendo Vox posted:

Dear OC,

post the emails

Regards,
An Annoyed Blarzgh
now this on the other hand

Soothing Vapors fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Jul 25, 2018

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer
"tone police" is shorthand at my firm for drafting, but not actually sending a cathartic email.

This is one of those lawyers who's response to literally everything is to claim its baseless, frivolous, demand it be dismissed, ask for sanctions, etc.

To my demand letter to the other client, her response was, "If you do not issue a letter of withdrawal of your demand and an immediate letter of apology I will be filing a lawsuit against you and your client for sanctions and malicious prosecution!."

Shut up, dumbass.

Look Sir Droids
Jan 27, 2015

The tracks go off in this direction.
Lol a letter of apology? Jesus Christ.

ActusRhesus
Sep 18, 2007

"Perhaps the fact the defendant had to be dragged out of the courtroom while declaring 'Death to you all, a Jihad on the court' may have had something to do with the revocation of his bond. That or calling the judge a bald-headed cock-sucker. Either way."

blarzgh posted:

"tone police" is shorthand at my firm for drafting, but not actually sending a cathartic email.

This is one of those lawyers who's response to literally everything is to claim its baseless, frivolous, demand it be dismissed, ask for sanctions, etc.

To my demand letter to the other client, her response was, "If you do not issue a letter of withdrawal of your demand and an immediate letter of apology I will be filing a lawsuit against you and your client for sanctions and malicious prosecution!."

Shut up, dumbass.

She’s not licensed in CT is she?

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
She sounds like a standard big talking dallas lawyer who likes to say dramatic poo poo because it bullies idiot baby lawyers into doing what you want and looks good for clients.

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!
haha, "expert at interpreting things" is a pretty amazing euphemism for the guy

https://twitter.com/TCleveland4Real/status/872955103757701120

EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.

Phil Moscowitz posted:

haha, "expert at interpreting things" is a pretty amazing euphemism for the guy

https://twitter.com/TCleveland4Real/status/872955103757701120

I'm the guy billing 8.5 hours for "continue on the reply motion, reply motion, jury trial, et cetera"

gvibes
Jan 18, 2010

Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

EwokEntourage posted:

I'm the guy billing 8.5 hours for "continue on the reply motion, reply motion, jury trial, et cetera"
It's from 25 years ago. Lawyers sent bills with just the total amount "for services rendered." That was probably more detailed than normal.

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.
That's why I never feel bad for old lawyers whining about the youths of today

poo poo was so easy back in the day and you didn't even have 150k debt

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider
I'm going to quit this poo poo, I'm a terrible businessman.

How do you say "Jesus loving christ I'm not finalizing your divorce until you pay me you loving deadbeat? NO, two weeks later isn't acceptable because then you'll just avoid me."

G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Jul 25, 2018

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

CaptainScraps posted:

I'm going to quit this poo poo, I'm a terrible businessman.

How do you say "Jesus loving christ I'm not finalizing your divorce until you pay me you loving deadbeat? NO, two weeks later isn't acceptable because then you'll just avoid me."

CaptainScraps just yesterday posted:

I see a lawyer in the Courthouse that I've had one case against. She works for big firms.

"Hey Scraps, I'm looking for an associate. Want a job?"

"Nah."

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider
I'll think about it.

SlothBear
Jan 25, 2009

Soothing Vapors posted:

That's why I never feel bad for old lawyers whining about the youths of today

poo poo was so easy back in the day and you didn't even have 150k debt

It's that last part that I remind myself of when old lawyers complain.

Oh you worked your way through law school. Ten hours a week at your father's business huh? Yeah sounds rough.

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!
Yeah, no email or cell phones. No cutthroat competition for business. Clients who accepted a lump bill for $x,xxx that just said "for legal services rendered." Judges who closed the courthouse for two months in summer.

"I can't believe these kids, complaining about starting salary of $70,000. When I first started in 1983, I only made $60,000!

Roger_Mudd
Jul 18, 2003

Buglord

CaptainScraps posted:

I'm going to quit this poo poo, I'm a terrible businessman.

How do you say "Jesus loving christ I'm not finalizing your divorce until you pay me you loving deadbeat? NO, two weeks later isn't acceptable because then you'll just avoid me."

Same. So much better working for someone else. It's like I pay them to deal with the business crap and in return they give me work.

Look Sir Droids
Jan 27, 2015

The tracks go off in this direction.
Law360 with a scoop from 2010:

https://www.law360.com/amp/articles/1064564?__twitter_impression=true

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

CaptainScraps posted:

I'm going to quit this poo poo, I'm a terrible businessman.

How do you say "Jesus loving christ I'm not finalizing your divorce until you pay me you loving deadbeat? NO, two weeks later isn't acceptable because then you'll just avoid me."

Hire a bookeeper or something part time. Tell them, "Ok, you tell me that as soon as a client gets behind on a bill that I'm not allowed to keep working until they pay." Then tell the client, "Look, it's not my fault, I WANT to finalize this but my bookkeeper says I'm not allowed to keep working on the file until you pay."

This bookkeeper may or may not be imaginary.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

Mr. Nice! posted:

She sounds like a standard big talking dallas lawyer who likes to say dramatic poo poo because it bullies idiot baby lawyers into doing what you want and looks good for clients.

Even worse: a bottom-feeder solo who works in Carrollton or something who's a terrible lawyer that thinks imitating Dallas lawyers is a productive strategy.

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

My niche area has a relatively small bar. My agency is by far the largest condemning authority in the State, so we see a lot of the same people on the other side.

In Dallas, it's all pretty chill. No one is going after anyone's license, threatening sanctions, etc. Cases settle or they don't, and a trial doesn't ruin the relationship.

In Houston it's the opposite. Everyone (including my office) plays games. Everyone is always worried about what the other side will do. People take their full 6 hours in a depo. Trials are merciless. No one agrees to continuances or extensions. And there are often sanctions and bar complaints bandied about.

Why the hell are the two cities so different ?

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
good news for the patent bar, word through the grapevine is there's a memo coming out in the next two weeks that Iancu's going to basically get rid of 101 rejections

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

My niche area has a relatively small bar. My agency is by far the largest condemning authority in the State, so we see a lot of the same people on the other side.

In Dallas, it's all pretty chill. No one is going after anyone's license, threatening sanctions, etc. Cases settle or they don't, and a trial doesn't ruin the relationship.

In Houston it's the opposite. Everyone (including my office) plays games. Everyone is always worried about what the other side will do. People take their full 6 hours in a depo. Trials are merciless. No one agrees to continuances or extensions. And there are often sanctions and bar complaints bandied about.

Why the hell are the two cities so different ?

Dallas is like that in Civil Lit, but my experience with Real Estate and particularly Condemnation in North Texas is all pretty chill.

Meatbag Esq.
May 3, 2006

Hmm which internet meme should go here again?

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

good news for the patent bar, word through the grapevine is there's a memo coming out in the next two weeks that Iancu's going to basically get rid of 101 rejections

what the gently caress????

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
I have no clue and I'm super excited to be working on a bunch of 101-only appeals right now because I have no idea how this is supposed to work if we're simply not issuing rejections on subject matter that the Federal Circuit deems ineligible???

Anyway, we'll see what the memo says when it comes out

GamingHyena
Jul 25, 2003

Devil's Advocate

CaptainScraps posted:

I'm going to quit this poo poo, I'm a terrible businessman.

How do you say "Jesus loving christ I'm not finalizing your divorce until you pay me you loving deadbeat? NO, two weeks later isn't acceptable because then you'll just avoid me."

File a motion to withdraw and set it for a hearing 14 days from now (assuming no upcoming deadlines). Client knows you're serious and either pays or tries to do a final hearing on his own.

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

good news for the patent bar, word through the grapevine is there's a memo coming out in the next two weeks that Iancu's going to basically get rid of 101 rejections

Going to be a fun notice and comment period on that one.

E: I suspect the grapevine has it wrong because whatever else Iancu is, he isn’t stupid enough to stop issuing 101s (esp since that would likely trigger an APA challenge and the agency would lose). The Berkheimer memo is more his speed.

Ani
Jun 15, 2001
illum non populi fasces, non purpura regum / flexit et infidos agitans discordia fratres

Yuns posted:

edit:
Tonight, I'm going to post a list of stuff I wish I had known about life/finances as a partner before I became a partner.
I would be very interested in this post.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Kalman posted:

Going to be a fun notice and comment period on that one.

E: I suspect the grapevine has it wrong because whatever else Iancu is, he isn’t stupid enough to stop issuing 101s (esp since that would likely trigger an APA challenge and the agency would lose). The Berkheimer memo is more his speed.



I've been mostly responding to Berkhekmer on the basis that nothing significantly more than the abstract idea is recited necessitating a factual inquiry into whether such subject matter is routine and conventional, or giving a 112 enablement rejection along with it and saying that based on the level of disclosure either it's not enabled or it's routine and conventional

Speaking to junior examiners, I'm surprised we're not seeing APA challenges to current 101 practice

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Yeah, the latter is what I’d hope more examiners start doing. If your spec is silent on some claim element, it’s either routine or you failed to enable.

Meatbag Esq.
May 3, 2006

Hmm which internet meme should go here again?

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

I've been mostly responding to Berkhekmer on the basis that nothing significantly more than the abstract idea is recited necessitating a factual inquiry into whether such subject matter is routine and conventional, or giving a 112 enablement rejection along with it and saying that based on the level of disclosure either it's not enabled or it's routine and conventional

Speaking to junior examiners, I'm surprised we're not seeing APA challenges to current 101 practice

Did berkhekmer change anything on your end besides a new stupid argument you have to put up with on occasion? As in, were there any cases that would have/would not have received a 101 rejection before or after the memo? I always felt like the routine etc side of things was rarely if ever close enough to be worth arguing.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Meatbag Esq. posted:

Did berkhekmer change anything on your end besides a new stupid argument you have to put up with on occasion? As in, were there any cases that would have/would not have received a 101 rejection before or after the memo? I always felt like the routine etc side of things was rarely if ever close enough to be worth arguing.

I've used the explanation at 881 F.3d at 1369 as to why the Applicant didn't disclose anything more than the idea itself if they can't point to a benefit, as opposed to the invention as a whole merely being a particular implementation of the idea on the theory that there's many ways to implement the idea and merely choosing a specific one isn't patentable absent more.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer
Could one of you patent turbo-nerds explain this in terms I can understand because it sounds interesting.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
After the Supreme Court decision in Alice 4 years ago, there's been a bunch of developing case law at the federal circuit over what can and can't be patented. As the case law has developed, a test has arisen that inventions directed to an abstract idea are not patentable unless they are directed to significantly more than the abstract idea, and are not routine and conventional. Of course, what all those words mean is not clear, and case law has been further explaining what "abstract", "significantly more", and "routine and conventional" mean.

Earlier this year, Berkheimer came out, which says that whether something is routine and conventional is a factual determination, and everyone was hand-wringing over weather this meant that examiners would have to start providing evidence instead of just hand waving away the claims. At least in my experience, it hasn't really changed much, because most of the applications I examine don't recite anything significantly more than the abstract idea in the first place such that I would need to determine whether or not it's routine and conventional.

of course, the federal circuit also hasn't actually explained what "significantly more" means, so we have to work by way of example in cases where they have found packable subject matter.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
I've suggested that they take 101 away from the examining core, and have a pre-examination specialist read the disclosure to see if anything significantly more than an abstract idea is disclosed before sending it to an examiner, and moving payment of the search fee to when the case is forwarded to the examiner, who determines both 102 and 103, and, if subject matter significantly more than an abstract idea is disclosed, whether it is routine and conventional

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer
So my application to patent "high quality shitposting" is about to gain new legs??

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

blarzgh posted:

So my application to patent "high quality shitposting" is about to gain new legs??

If your shitposting has legs, then it's patentable. If it doesn't, it's not.

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blarzgh posted:

So my application to patent "high quality shitposting" is about to gain new legs??

You don't need to patent something when there's no one who can compete with you.

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