|
When you find yourself listing the ways you're better than Assad it's time to stop
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 02:59
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 05:43 |
|
|
Kim Jong Il posted:You can also look up what Hamas did in 1996, when peace was arguably at hand, and Hamas worked really hard to elect Netanyahu over Peres with their bombing campaign. That directly led to Netanyahu gutting Oslo. They are right wing ethnonationalists who benefit the most from Gaza being in misery and permanent war. The only reason there was even an election in the first place was because the pro-peace Prime Minister was assassinated by right-wing extremists for signing a peace deal, which directly led to Netanyahu gutting Oslo, because Israeli right-wing ethnonationalists are the ones who benefit the most (by far) from Gaza being in misery and permanent war. Putting the blame for Israel's deliberate undermining of the Oslo Accords on Hamas is downright ridiculous. Why is it that Israel is never responsible for its own actions?
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 03:06
|
|
|
There isn't even a drop of good faith in him, ignore him completely.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 03:08
|
|
|
Grape posted:There isn't even a drop of good faith in him, ignore him completely. I like to highlight all the historical events he leaves out of his narrative, for the sake of everyone else reading the thread. For example, in addition to the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, he also failed to mention Peres' extremely unsuccessful invasion of Lebanon a month before voting day.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 03:20
|
|
|
Even if Hamas deliberately got Netenyahu elected, he's not literally Assad so it's obviously fine
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 03:32
|
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:One Palestinian woman activist who was interviewed on Chapo Trap House recently said that she believes the only path forward is a one-state solution and that a two-state solution is effectively impossible now thanks to the settlements. I had not previously agreed with that point but she makes a strong case that even if you had an agreement right now, you could not build a viable Palestinian state. There's also the annexation precedent in the Golan Heights, which is what I think the eventual annexation of Area C (and much longer term, the West Bank as a whole) might look like: annex the territory and offer residents of the area Israeli citizenship, knowing relatively few will accept the offer in the short term. As time goes on though, younger generations slowly start to apply for Israeli citizenship in greater numbers, in the interest of better job and travel prospects. This attitude is already starting to happen right now in East Jerusalem: https://972mag.com/east-jerusalem-palestinians-are-ready-to-take-back-their-city/136186/ quote:Much has been written on the “Israelization” of Palestinians in Jerusalem. More young people are getting their Israeli matriculation certificates.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 04:00
|
|
|
Is KJI seriously going to argue that the settlements are illegal under Israeli law? If they aren't willing to enforce that law under any circumstances then it really isn't illegal.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 06:12
|
|
|
Main Paineframe posted:The only reason there was even an election in the first place was because the pro-peace Prime Minister was assassinated by right-wing extremists for signing a peace deal, which directly led to Netanyahu gutting Oslo, because Israeli right-wing ethnonationalists are the ones who benefit the most (by far) from Gaza being in misery and permanent war. Putting the blame for Israel's deliberate undermining of the Oslo Accords on Hamas is downright ridiculous. Why is it that Israel is never responsible for its own actions? I also want to point out that even the "pro-peace" Prime Minister believed that the settlements were necessary.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 06:14
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/kann_news/status/1022340405059375104?s=19
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 06:21
|
|
|
zapplez posted:The current status quo is incredibly hosed. Maybe I am way too naive about things but I actually think peace is possible (god, i hope so) and neither sides are helping. Of course one is more accountable because of the power disparity, but there is more than enough bloodshed to feel sick by actions of both sides at times. The problem you, and many others with similar views, have is that you're acting like both sides are responsible, or at are comparable in some manner. This is not the case. Israel is fully responsible for peace not happening, period. There is no middle ground here, any more than "well some slaves did bad things" was an argument against ending American chattel slavery. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Jul 26, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 06:26
|
|
|
Ytlaya posted:There is no middle ground here, any more than "well some slaves did bad things" was an argument against ending American chattel slavery. but whatabout
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 07:09
|
|
|
No ones going to mention how Bibi literally threw out a "Hitler did nothing wrong"
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 14:19
|
|
|
Your Parents posted:No ones going to mention how Bibi literally threw out a "Hitler did nothing wrong" In 2015. We've been over this already.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 14:43
|
|
|
Miftan posted:In 2015. We've been over this already. So it's good that Israel has had a holocaust denier and Nazi in charge for years?
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 14:58
|
|
|
He should have been ousted then, and it's sickening that he isn't and still has support. He could wear the uniform and give the salute with an actual swastika behind him and people itt and in real life would still defend him, Likud party members would still cheer him
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 15:00
|
|
|
Your Parents posted:So it's good that Israel has had a holocaust denier and Nazi in charge for years? He's done a lot more since and tbh nothing surprises him about me anymore.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 15:07
|
|
|
Your Parents posted:So it's good that Israel has had a holocaust denier and Nazi in charge for years? No one has said that. It's pretty hosed up yeah but it's been and gone.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 15:08
|
|
|
Your Parents posted:So it's good that Israel has had a holocaust denier and Nazi in charge for years? It's terrible, but noone will do anything. This has been your update on the state of the world.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 16:36
|
|
|
Your Parents posted:He should have been ousted then, and it's sickening that he isn't and still has support. He could wear the uniform and give the salute with an actual swastika behind him and people itt and in real life would still defend him, Likud party members would still cheer him I don't think a single person in this thread has ever defended Bibi. Not even KJI has gone so far. We all know he's terrible, and defending Hitler is honestly real low on the list of reasons to dog on him.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 21:39
|
|
|
kidkissinger posted:Is KJI seriously going to argue that the settlements are illegal under Israeli law? If they aren't willing to enforce that law under any circumstances then it really isn't illegal. That's not what I meant. The large settlement blocs are legal *under Israeli law*, and most of them Israel will likely keep the bulk of them in any deal via land swaps. Hopefully not Ariel though. I'm talking about the random outposts which are a handful of people in trailers that an overwhelming majority of Israelis despise. When you look at this map - while indeed that's the extent of what's happened, the overwhelming majority of the landmass are temporary structures that are easily destroyed and withdrawn from. The actual reality of permanent Israeli settlement looks more like the concrete proposals they have made to the Palestinians, like this:  Obv. there are other issues like Israel wanting to maintain a presence in the Jordan Valley, which I oppose.
|
|
#
?
Jul 27, 2018 00:45
|
|
|
gently caress off.
|
|
#
?
Jul 27, 2018 02:30
|
|
|
What do the tweets say?
|
|
#
?
Jul 27, 2018 02:49
|
|
|
Kim Jong Il posted:That's not what I meant. The large settlement blocs are legal *under Israeli law*, and most of them Israel will likely keep the bulk of them in any deal via land swaps. Hopefully not Ariel though. I'm talking about the random outposts which are a handful of people in trailers that an overwhelming majority of Israelis despise. It's so weird how Israel hasn't even attempted to offer these terms in almost twenty years. I'm.sure the political timing just isn't right.
|
|
#
?
Jul 27, 2018 05:52
|
|
|
"White areas" for Israel and "Brown areas" for Palestinians eh?
|
|
#
?
Jul 27, 2018 08:16
|
|
|
kidkissinger posted:It's so weird how Israel hasn't even attempted to offer these terms in almost twenty years. I'm.sure the political timing just isn't right.
|
|
#
?
Jul 27, 2018 20:54
|
|
|
The fact Israel keeps building settlements tells you everything you need to know about Israel's commitment to peace. Imagine if they stopped building settlements as long as hamas has stopped suicide bombings.
|
|
#
?
Jul 27, 2018 22:39
|
|
|
Israel toyed with their supporters by changing the checkpoint that they would be released at 3 times today, but Ahed Tamimi and her mother are now out of prison. https://mobile.twitter.com/aishagani/status/1023462165750018049 She served one less month for slapping a soldier than Elor Azaria served for shooting a downed Palestinian assailant execution style.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2018 13:55
|
|
|
kidkissinger posted:It's so weird how Israel hasn't even attempted to offer these terms in almost twenty years. I'm.sure the political timing just isn't right. It's actually 9 years. Which is why any tactic other than trying to defeat Netanyahu at the ballot box is a waste of time.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2018 23:08
|
|
|
Kim Jong Il posted:It's actually 9 years. Which is why any tactic other than trying to defeat Netanyahu at the ballot box is a waste of time. I thought they were antisemitism.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2018 23:35
|
|
|
Volkerball posted:Israel toyed with their supporters by changing the checkpoint that they would be released at 3 times today, but Ahed Tamimi and her mother are now out of prison. https://twitter.com/_Saeen_/status/1023307060803461121
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2018 23:48
|
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:Israel also arrested an Italian artist who did a huge mural of her in the West Bank Don't be silly, you gotta be a citizen of a country to get rights, and if you don't have rights then they can't be trampled on by an oppresive government 
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2018 21:00
|
|
|
kidkissinger posted:It's so weird how Israel hasn't even attempted to offer these terms in almost twenty years. I'm.sure the political timing just isn't right. Does that map look like a fetus to anybody else?
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2018 21:36
|
|
|
Schubalts posted:Does that map look like a fetus to anybody else? Careful, a sniper might shoot it
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2018 23:34
|
|
|
Drone_Fragger posted:Don't be silly, you gotta be a citizen of a country to get rights, and if you don't have rights then they can't be trampled on by an oppresive government Italy doesn't count as a country? I mean, I can see your point actually, nevermind.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2018 00:19
|
|
|
Meeting between Bibi and Druze leadership went... poorly... https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/1025078201641566208
|
|
#
?
Aug 3, 2018 00:49
|
|
|
Looks like the former brigadier-general has some growing up to do.
|
|
#
?
Aug 3, 2018 01:22
|
|
|
I, personally, can see no danger in further alienating a tight-knit minority which you have spent decades training and arming, often in tight-knit brigades, and which has strong connections with members of this minority in neighboring, hostile countries. 
|
|
#
?
Aug 3, 2018 01:30
|
|
|
Cat Mattress posted:Italy doesn't count as a country? Italy is a nefarious Piedmontese fabrication. At the absolute minimum, we need a two state solution acknowledging the sovereignty of the Two Sicilies.
|
|
#
?
Aug 3, 2018 07:52
|
|
|
GreyjoyBastard posted:Italy is a nefarious Piedmontese fabrication. At the absolute minimum, we need a two state solution acknowledging the sovereignty of the Two Sicilies. San Marino and Vatican City are just like Palestine when you don't think about it.
|
|
#
?
Aug 3, 2018 07:55
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 05:43 |
|
|
Absurd Alhazred posted:Meeting between Bibi and Druze leadership went... poorly... Has there ever been a "strongman" leader who isn't just a giant baby with an army at his command?
|
|
#
?
Aug 3, 2018 10:26
|
|