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Jul 26, 2018 10:44
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Sell us Mitrovic you fuckres
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Jul 26, 2018 10:45
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Jul 26, 2018 10:52
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I'm having flashbacks to Andriy Voronin, Ryan Babel, David N'Gog and Nabil El Zhar. Rafa doesn't have the best track record when forced to buy for cheap.
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Jul 26, 2018 12:37
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What happens to the money made from an MLS sale like that young player. Given that it is a draft system, is the revenue redistributed somehow or does the club get to keep it?
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Jul 26, 2018 14:05
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julian assflange posted:What happens to the money made from an MLS sale like that young player. Given that it is a draft system, is the revenue redistributed somehow or does the club get to keep it? There's a convoluted system depending on the players development. I think in his case, since he qualifies as an academy product, the actual team gets most of the money, rather than the league.
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Jul 26, 2018 14:08
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quote:Transfer and Loan Fees I hate MLS so loving much.
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Jul 26, 2018 14:20
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Wolves paying £18m for a very fast winger who's a bit poo poo at everything else
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Jul 26, 2018 14:23
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vyelkin posted:I'm having flashbacks to Andriy Voronin, Ryan Babel, David N'Gog and Nabil El Zhar. Rafa doesn't have the best track record when forced to buy for cheap. To be fair, those guys were much better under him than they were afterwards. He at least knows what attributes work for him.
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Jul 26, 2018 14:35
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vyelkin posted:I'm having flashbacks to Andriy Voronin, Ryan Babel, David N'Gog and Nabil El Zhar. Rafa doesn't have the best track record when forced to buy for cheap. dirk kuyt motherfucker also robbie fowler
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Jul 26, 2018 14:41
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The Kimoa Kid posted:I hate MLS so loving much. Are there any/many calls from fans/teams to switch to a similar system to the rest of the world? I know the regulations were put in place to stop teams overextending themselves like happened in the 70s, but now that it's been running for a long time, surely the teams are reasonably stable? As someone who doesn't follow it at all (so correct me if I'm wrong), it seems like they've imported the system from other US sports that only really works there because they're essentially a closed shop, but makes MLS teams massively uncompetitive.
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Jose posted:Wolves paying £18m for a very fast winger who's a bit poo poo at everything else You are going to have to be way more specific here
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Blue Star Error posted:You are going to have to be way more specific here adama traore
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Jul 26, 2018 14:47
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Jose posted:Wolves paying £18m for a very fast winger who's a bit poo poo at everything else He’ll likely be a rotation guy, too. Team needed a bit more speed up front, and they’ll likely struggle to score this year with or without him.
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Jul 26, 2018 14:54
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bewbies posted:also robbie fowler Was around long before Rafa
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Jul 26, 2018 14:54
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Ninpo posted:Was around long before Rafa Bringing him back was bargain hunting from Benitez. It was good for the fans and it got closure for Fowler too. From what I know, though, I don't think it really helped the club's long term fortunes. Generally, vyelkin's right. Benitez's bargain buy record is spotty. At the same time, I wonder how many managers really have better records in scraping the bottom of the barrel while being at clubs with high ambitions. Every cheap punt is a gamble, right?
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Jul 26, 2018 15:04
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Mickolution posted:Are there any/many calls from fans/teams to switch to a similar system to the rest of the world? I know the regulations were put in place to stop teams overextending themselves like happened in the 70s, but now that it's been running for a long time, surely the teams are reasonably stable? Yes, and there's a lot of former players and executives working towards it, but it doesn't seem particularly likely any time soon. I would argue that the vast majority of American fans would prefer a more traditional (i.e. non-American) league system, but part of the problem is that those fans (hi) all just ignore MLS and watch non-American leagues, so they don't have a lot of pull. And diehard MLS fans are basically a cult that will defend the league to their death, even when it acts against their best interests. Mickolution posted:As someone who doesn't follow it at all (so correct me if I'm wrong), it seems like they've imported the system from other US sports that only really works there because they're essentially a closed shop, but makes MLS teams massively uncompetitive. This is an exactly correct observation. They have convinced themselves that they have to run the league this way because it's the way all other American leagues are run, but they ignore the fact that those leagues only thrive because they have no competition whatsoever within their sport. MLS has to compete on a global market, and their structure makes that impossible.
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Jul 26, 2018 15:05
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Mickolution posted:Are there any/many calls from fans/teams to switch to a similar system to the rest of the world? I know the regulations were put in place to stop teams overextending themselves like happened in the 70s, but now that it's been running for a long time, surely the teams are reasonably stable? Without promotion/relegation a free market league structure doesn't really work, and without a economically viable second league, you can't have prom/rel. You also can't really have a "market" as such when all of the league entities (teams) are under a single business operation. Some aspects of MLS finances are still cool. Salary cap is good, for instance. Most of it is really stupid. MLS magic monopoly dollars are incredibly complex, no one really knows how they work. Paying one guy on the team literally ten times what anyone else gets is also kind of stupid. Incentivizing MLS teams to overpay for Americans is very, very stupid. Taking most of the transfer fees a team gets for a player is most stupid. I personally would eliminate all of the ridiculous MLS financial stuff aside from a fairly robust salary cap. Get rid of all rules for American players, "allocation money" and all that poo poo. Let teams make money by selling. MLS almost certainly isn't ever going to be competitive with the Prem/La Liga/etc, but could still be a good and entertaining league. The on-field product now isn't bad, most teams have cool good soccer venues (except the new DC place that is apparently a deathtrap), and the market in the US is growing pretty consistently. Ninpo posted:Was around long before Rafa no i'm talking about second edition robbie fowler
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Jul 26, 2018 15:06
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bewbies posted:Without promotion/relegation a free market league structure doesn't really work, and without a economically viable second league, you can't have prom/rel. You also can't really have a "market" as such when all of the league entities (teams) are under a single business operation. And you can't have an economically viable second division without pro/rel, so that argument doesn't hold water. It would be pretty trivial to stop expanding MLS, absorb the USL as a second division, and invest in growing it until the top teams are ready to move up. Then start slowly and only promote one team a year. These aren't difficult problems to solve, especially since the entire rest of the world can show you how to solve them.
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Jul 26, 2018 15:09
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The Kimoa Kid posted:And you can't have an economically viable second division without pro/rel, so that argument doesn't hold water. It would be pretty trivial to stop expanding MLS, absorb the USL as a second division, and invest in growing it until the top teams are ready to move up. Then start slowly and only promote one team a year. These aren't difficult problems to solve, especially since the entire rest of the world can show you how to solve them. I agree with all of this except that it is "pretty trivial", it'd take many years and lots and lots of actual dollars to do this, neither of which much excite sports team owners.
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Jul 26, 2018 15:15
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bewbies posted:I agree with all of this except that it is "pretty trivial", it'd take many years and lots and lots of actual dollars to do this, neither of which much excite sports team owners. It costs $150m to join MLS and teams are lining up to pay that; the money is there, and folks are willing to spend it. And frankly, no, it wouldn't take that long. The demand is there. Teams like Cincinnati prove it. They were founded in 2016 and immediately drew larger crowds than most MLS teams. Look at the TV ratings the Premier League gets; their 7am kickoffs dwarf even the biggest MLS games. Look at the insane crowds generated for meaningless preseason friendlies. There is ENORMOUS demand for high-level soccer in this country and MLS won't let it be met. wicka fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Jul 26, 2018 |
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Jul 26, 2018 15:21
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Designated Player is such a stupid term.
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Jul 26, 2018 15:24
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Rafa has had some mixed signings at Newcastle. Murphy and Lazaar have been poo poo and some of the others were clearly signed only for the Championship season - Hanley was pretty dire
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Jul 26, 2018 15:30
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Kuyt could probably still do a job for Newcastle tbqh
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Jul 26, 2018 15:35
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vyelkin posted:Kuyt could probably still do a job for Newcastle tbqh Serving pints at half time or something like that
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Jul 26, 2018 15:52
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:Rafa has had some mixed signings at Newcastle. Murphy and Lazaar have been poo poo and some of the others were clearly signed only for the Championship season - Hanley was pretty dire Hanley came second in Norwich's player of the season and is being made captain. Maybe Rafa just couldn't manage such a mercurial talent.
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Jul 26, 2018 16:04
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Jul 26, 2018 16:14
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I completely forgot Fowler went back.
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Jul 26, 2018 16:25
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The Kimoa Kid posted:There is ENORMOUS demand for high-level soccer in this country and MLS won't let it be met. I agree with you on pretty much every point, the league has to move toward a 1st/2nd division structure. I think they're a lot closer to being able to do that now than ten years ago, the question is one of will rather than finances. Unfortunately, the will to do that seems entirely absent. I believe the league's quality has improved a good deal in the last decade at least, thanks to growing financial clout and improving team academies. While discussing Seattle's effort to land Paolo Hurtado (and the insane TAM rules at play), someone on Sounder at Heart compiled a list of current Sounders who would have been DPs under the 2009 rules--it amounted to 8 or 9 players. The money is already there! Just remove the bullshit TAM rules and simplify things.
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Leonardo confirmed that Milan and Juve are working on a deal for Bonucciquote:“We’re bound to FFP, so it won’t be a crazy market. It’ll be moderate and wise. The desire [to talk to Juve] started with Leonardo Bonucci, so if we can, we’ll make it happen. We have no objection to it."
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Jul 26, 2018 16:41
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shirts and skins posted:I agree with you on pretty much every point, the league has to move toward a 1st/2nd division structure. I think they're a lot closer to being able to do that now than ten years ago, the question is one of will rather than finances. Unfortunately, the will to do that seems entirely absent. The existing MLS owners will never go for it. They bought into a closed system. I’m amazed they don’t have a “countdown” clock like all the other american sports.
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Jul 26, 2018 16:59
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tao of lmao posted:The existing MLS owners will never go for it. They bought into a closed system. I’m amazed they don’t have a “countdown” clock like all the other american sports. The irony is that they would all make way more money from an open system in the long run, but oh well, it will be funny when they fail.
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Jul 26, 2018 17:01
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Blue Star Error posted:Hanley came second in Norwich's player of the season and is being made captain. Maybe Rafa just couldn't manage such a mercurial talent. Grant Hanley, almost player of the season doesn’t really have a ring to it
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Jul 26, 2018 17:16
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Vydra has been spotted in Leeds and seeing as Derby are signing Marriott and Waghorn it seems like he'll be more pressured into leaving now. If Leeds get Vydra and Douglas in the next few days I'll be hooting
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Jul 26, 2018 17:26
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trem_two posted:Leonardo confirmed that Milan and Juve are working on a deal for Bonucci Shame because he's good, but I do hope we get something, even if it's just cash, in return. Musacchio and Romagnoli isn't a bad CB duo but the depth afterward is all poo poo.
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Jul 26, 2018 17:37
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bewbies posted:dirk kuyt motherfucker Kuyt wasn't really a striker past his first season. He basically became the workhorse left/right winger.
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Jul 26, 2018 17:37
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Traore is bad IMO.
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Jul 26, 2018 18:08
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Yeah the more I think about the Traore deal the less sense it makes. There really isn’t a spot for him unless wolves unload Jota or Costa, who I think are both better than him. Some wolves fans are talking of putting him at wingback and lol.
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Jeff Reine-Adelaide to Angers is done https://twitter.com/AngersSCO/status/1022529132918390784
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