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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The opening scene of TFA is Poe risking his life to obtain a biography(?) of Luke from a church of Luke-worshippers on Luke’s home planet, on behalf of Leia (who believes Luke can singlehandedly save the entire galaxy). The opening scene of TFA is a desperate attempt to find a "Jedi" that's been out of the picture for decades, from a weirdo hermit who worships the Force and Luke's sister. Leia hasn't forgotten Luke, but he's dead and gone to nearly everyone else. Jedi ways play no part in what the Resistance wants from Luke; Leia is repeating her search for Obi-Wan and hoping he doesn't die at the end of Act 2 again.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Luke didn’t leave a map. The unnamed old guy wrote the map while he was researching Luke’s life. [citation needed] No source anywhere that I know of states Jakku and Tatooine are the same planet
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Jul 26, 2018 16:59
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Rian Johnson said it in a tweet but then purged it along with 20,000 other ones earlier this week.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Rian Johnson said it in a tweet but then purged it along with 20,000 other ones earlier this week. Under the story group tweets like that, even from the creatives themselves, are not to be taken as canonical. It's why Leland Chee doesn't provide continuity answers on social media like he used to in the Legends days
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Jul 26, 2018 17:06
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homullus posted:The opening scene of TFA is a desperate attempt to find a "Jedi" that's been out of the picture for decades, from a weirdo hermit who worships the Force and Luke's sister. Leia hasn't forgotten Luke, but he's dead and gone to nearly everyone else. Jedi ways play no part in what the Resistance wants from Luke; Leia is repeating her search for Obi-Wan and hoping he doesn't die at the end of Act 2 again. Snoke knows all about luke too and he and Kylo are looking for him. I don’t know if you are right in this regard.
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Jul 26, 2018 17:10
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Luke didn’t leave a map. The unnamed old guy wrote the map while he was researching Luke’s life. Where is this in the movie? I think supplemental material says he was writing a history of the Jedi, or something, and while doing so he came across a map to the first Jedi temple planet, which is where they assumed Luke went. But even ignoring that, where are you getting that he was researching Luke's life? That's certainly not in the movie.
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Jul 26, 2018 17:23
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jivjov posted:Under the story group tweets like that, even from the creatives themselves, are not to be taken as canonical. It's why Leland Chee doesn't provide continuity answers on social media like he used to in the Legends days Lol
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Jul 26, 2018 17:25
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Rian Johnson said it in a tweet but then purged it along with 20,000 other ones earlier this week. I wonder if he had something he thought he might get in trouble for like Gunn did or if it was just some pedestrian reason. I probably shouldn't make assumptions, but one must maintain one's low expectations of people. 
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Jul 26, 2018 17:25
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euphronius posted:Snoke knows all about luke too and he and Kylo are looking for him. That's ok. You can watch the movie again to see how little Han, 3PO, R2, Finn, and Rey know or care about Luke at the start.
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Jul 26, 2018 17:29
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homullus posted:Everyone has forgotten Luke except Leia. So you are waking this back, as they say in the business.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I wonder if he had something he thought he might get in trouble for like Gunn did or if it was just some pedestrian reason. I probably shouldn't make assumptions, but one must maintain one's low expectations of people. Per his own statements on the matter, it was just a preventative measure to keep people from pulling old tweets out of context
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Jul 26, 2018 17:34
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euphronius posted:So you are waking this back, as they say in the business. Do you not use forgotten when you mean "cease to think of or consider"? Or is your objection everyone? I was addressing the claim that the Resistance is "made up of" Luke worshipers. Most of the galaxy, including most of the people in the film who have met Luke, have ceased to think of him in an ongoing way. I apologize for the confusion I may have caused by saying "Leia" remembers Luke rather than "Leia, four Force weirdos, and Poe due to direct orders from Leia" remember Luke.
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homullus posted:The opening scene of TFA is a desperate attempt to find a "Jedi" that's been out of the picture for decades, from a weirdo hermit who worships the Force and Luke's sister. Leia hasn't forgotten Luke, but he's dead and gone to nearly everyone else. Jedi ways play no part in what the Resistance wants from Luke; Leia is repeating her search for Obi-Wan and hoping he doesn't die at the end of Act 2 again. Nope, you need to be careful. In A New Hope, Leia is simply calling up some old General from the Clone Wars for a favour. Her actual top priority is to deliver the Death Star plans to King Organa so that he can rally support for the Rebels and hopefully restore the Republic. In TFA, the goals are collapsed together. Her goal is to obtain the Luke Skywalker plans so she can recruit Luke Skywalker and use Luke Skywalker to ‘balance the force’. All the Resistance people speak in vague religious terms like “this will make things right” and “where there’s light there’s hope”, whereas Leia in Episode 4 speaks in very concrete terms: “General Kenobi. Years ago, you served my father in the Clone Wars. ... I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan.” Note that Leia says absolutely nothing about Obiwan’s religion, referring to him as ‘general’ instead of ‘master’ or whatever. thrawn527 posted:Where is this in the movie? I think supplemental material says he was writing a history of the Jedi, or something, and while doing so he came across a map to the first Jedi temple planet, which is where they assumed Luke went. But even ignoring that, where are you getting that he was researching Luke's life? That's certainly not in the movie. It’s not in the movie, but it’s the only reason why this guy would specifically have clues to Luke’s location. They call it a map to Luke, not a map to the first Jedi temple or whatever. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Jul 26, 2018 |
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Please do some basic fact checking on your posts ITT, it shouldn't have to fall to jivjov to correct misinformation that would be cleared up by a simple check of the ol' wook (short for wookieepedia). Cheers
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Jul 26, 2018 17:51
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quote:Nope, you need to be careful. He'll be dead!
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Jul 26, 2018 17:55
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The original Jedi texts Luke has in TLJ are actually laserdisc copies of eps IV-VI
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No Mods No Masters posted:Please do some basic fact checking on your posts ITT, it shouldn't have to fall to jivjov to correct misinformation that would be cleared up by a simple check of the ol' wook (short for wookieepedia). Cheers In TFA, it’s implied that Luke deliberately left behind clues to his location. This was then retconned out, so it’s left implicit that the old guy must have found the clues himself. When we’re shown a picture of the map, it’s a trail of connected dots, presumably places Luke had visited. That’s what the old guy was researching.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:The original Jedi texts Luke has in TLJ are actually laserdisc copies of eps IV-VI It's the script
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RBA Starblade posted:It's the script 
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This is a good time to jump in and say that I finally watched TLJ. Drunk with my friend. We roasted the poo poo out of it. +The books are Luke's manga collection. When Yoda lights the thing on fire he screams "nooo! You can't even get Devilman Lady outside Japan!" +When Kylo wakes up to see Luke's lightsaber leveled at his face Luke hisses "ANSWER ME BOY.... Rei or Asuka?"
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Harime Nui posted:+When Kylo wakes up to see Luke's lightsaber leveled at his face Luke hisses "ANSWER ME BOY.... Rei or Asuka?" "Well, which Rei do you mean? Rei II or Rei III?" "I... I don't know, I-AARRGGGHHHHH" Luke is catapulted into the ravine oh wait wrong movie lol
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Wheat Loaf posted:I wonder if he had something he thought he might get in trouble for like Gunn did or if it was just some pedestrian reason. I probably shouldn't make assumptions, but one must maintain one's low expectations of people. Rian Johnson owns
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When Tarkin refers to Darth as the last of the Jedi, are we to take that as a continuity error (similar to “Darth” being his actual first name in IV), or does Tarkin have some inside knowledge of Vader’s true background? Or is the fact that the Emperor is a Sith Lord still something of a secret in the OT? Like, are average people in the OT aware of the emperor’s sith affiliation? Jedis have descended into the realm of history or myth by the time of ANH. It just seems like something Lucas couldn’t write around. It’s especially odd given that Vader was referred to as a dark lord of the sith in the 1976 novelization. I guess we can only conclude that Tarkin knows the inside scoop and is blasé about throwing that knowledge around at the board room meeting.
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I wouldn't expect that the average person would know much of anything about the circumstances of how Palpatine became Emperor, aside from the lie he used to take power which was that the Jedi tried to assassinate him and he survived. It's not clear that people really know what a Sith even is, because they had fallen into legend by the time of the prequels, so add another 25 years to that and I doubt it's a word many are familiar with. The Emperor having a Jedi as his personal bagman wouldn't necessarily cause people to assume a Sith connection because it wouldn't occur to anybody to consider it.
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Jewmanji posted:When Tarkin refers to Darth as the last of the Jedi, are we to take that as a continuity error (similar to “Darth” being his actual first name in IV), or does Tarkin have some inside knowledge of Vader’s true background? Or is the fact that the Emperor is a Sith Lord still something of a secret in the OT? I doubt it a secret so much as trivial knowledge. Vader sided with Palpatine against the rest of the Jedi during their coup, but that was twenty years ago by then.
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Jewmanji posted:does Tarkin have some inside knowledge of Vader’s true background? It's not a secret; Vader is openly states that Obiwan is his old Jedi master, and later declares himself the new master. Vader's point is that his ability with the force is such that he has surpassed the Jedi (who are similar to the Sith in almost every way). Palpatine, on the other hand, was never a Jedi. But it is very important to keep POV in mind when looking at characterization. To all the people in the galaxy, Darth Sidious was never caught and is presumably still at large. Yoda was one of the only people who strongly suspected that Darth Sidious was Palpatine's alias, but went into exile before he could prove anything. The trickiest thing is that not even Palpatine cares about the Darth Sidious persona. Being a Sith, with all the code-names and whatnot, is apparently just something he did as a lark. When Luke talks about Darth Sidious rising up and wiping out all the Jedi in TLJ, it's unclear where he got that idea (from Obiwan or Yoda, or from their ghosts? Or is he just guessing?). Another point is that, after Episode 6, the only thing anyone knows about the throne room battle is that Luke went up to the Death Star and came back with Vader's body. Nobody actually knows what happened except Luke - who of course badly misinterpreted events. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Jul 26, 2018 |
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Didn’t Rey know. I thought everyone had seen the OT by the time of the sequels. Edit Rey: And a Jedi who saved him. Yes. Your father was the most hated man in the galaxy. He caused so much death and destruction for many years. But you saw there was conflict inside him. You believed that he wasn't gone. That he could be turned. euphronius fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Jul 26, 2018 |
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Rian Johnson said it in a tweet but then purged it along with 20,000 other ones earlier this week. Pressing F to pay respects to everyone who fell for this joke 🙏🏼
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euphronius posted:Didn’t Rey know. I thought everyone had seen the OT by the time of the sequels. Rey is familiar with The Legend Of Luke Skywalker, but that legend was originally created by Luke himself. People across the galaxy only ever knew Luke’s version of events - which, as we now know, is hugely unreliable. Here’s another example of why it’s important to take POV into account: FN never finds out that Holdo had a secret plan, or that she sacrifices herself. He never finds out why the big ship got smashed up, saving them from being executed. He also never finds out that they got caught because a droid spotted BB-8’s crummy disguise. As far as FN knows, DJ was always a traitor working for the First Order. And, as far as he knows, he is still on a mission to help Poe save the Resistance from Holdo’s stupidity. These misunderstandings lead FN to falsely conclude that DJ was lying, which why he sides with Rose and ultimately tries to kill himself. People in the audience get confused because their POV and FN’s POV do not in any way align. We in the audience are shown at every step that FN and Rose are dumb.
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Arguing that these films would miss a chance to namedrop a location from the OT in order to rename a planet isn't so much an uphill battle as it is an attempt to reach escape velocity by jumping.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Rey is familiar with The Legend Of Luke Skywalker, but that legend was originally created by Luke himself. People across the galaxy only ever knew Luke’s version of events - which, as we now know, is hugely unreliable. That makes sense thanks You can imagine him writing a popular autobiography or something after ROTJ.
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Hodgepodge posted:Arguing that these films would miss a chance to namedrop a location from the OT in order to rename a planet isn't so much an uphill battle as it is an attempt to reach escape velocity by jumping. The entire MO of the Disney canon is to make everything slightly dumber and give it a different name. Hence Hosnia, Supreme Leader Snoke, The First Order... Jakku is Tatooine 40 years after its leader was assassinated and a massive battle took place in its upper atmosphere.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The entire MO of the Disney canon is to make everything slightly dumber and give it a different name. Hence Hosnia, Supreme Leader Snoke, The First Order... Seriously where the hell are you getting this from? Is this one of those times where you're speaking metaphorically but mixing it with literal stuff?
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Jewmanji posted:does Tarkin have some inside knowledge of Vader’s true background? Tarkin knows what he is, he just doesn't know who he is, he only suspects.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Being a Sith, with all the code-names and whatnot, is apparently just something he did as a lark. One of the cleverest omissions in the prequels is the near absence of information on who the Sith were and what they believed. Over the course of all three films what we know sums up to: 1) They held control over the galaxy before the Republic. 2) They didn't restrict themselves in matters of the force. 3) They were wiped out over a millennia ago. The only detail we have of their actual values is the Darth Plagueis fable, the aesop of which (according to Palpatine) is "don't be afraid of losing power." (!)
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Basebf555 posted:Seriously where the hell are you getting this from? Is this one of those times where you're speaking metaphorically but mixing it with literal stuff? This was also in a recently deleted Rian Johnson tweet. Keep up!
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Basebf555 posted:Seriously where the hell are you getting this from? Is this one of those times where you're speaking metaphorically but mixing it with literal stuff? Yes, you should be used to this by now.
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tarkin calls vader a jedi for the same reason npcs in kotor would refer to the big previous jedi vs sith war as 'the jedi civil war', when you're on the outside of jedi nonsense you don't care about those kinds of distinctions
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Basebf555 posted:Seriously where the hell are you getting this from? From the fact that it fills the exact same thematic role, whereas Jedha (for example) is a holy site.
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