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ate all the Oreos posted:I mean look at how cute and fun coal is: I can remember as a kid (early 80s) going to the Kentucky State Fair and there would be a booth were they handed out actual lumps of coal. They were coated with shellac or something but still. You know how you got to a convention and get pencils, balloons, poo poo like that? Coal. Imagine working the mines, feeling the onset of black lung, and you shovel out a decent size that will forever sit in the junk drawer of some kid who could give a poo poo.
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Jul 26, 2018 18:26
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The Aristocrats!
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Jul 26, 2018 18:27
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Dave Concepcion posted:yeah, about that... 1) That is the environmental footprint of production. We use petroleum for everything, so things made of petroleum byproducts are in a sense freeloading off of the far greater environmental consequences of the other stuff we make with petroleum. If we didn't have a fossil fuel economy plastic bags would lose their network benefits. 2) How do you quantify the impact of plastic in the ocean? 3) "Thousands of times to equal the same environmental cost" is all well and good, but over the few years you're using a cotton bag you would've used hundreds of plastic bags. It's not a 1:1 comparison. After a few years it clearly pays off.
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Jul 26, 2018 18:46
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I single use cotton bags and toss them in the trash. Best of both worlds.
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Jul 26, 2018 18:49
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ate all the Oreos posted:The "four times as much already sold" bit I got from an article I read a couple years ago that was talking about futures markets and making the case that shame would be enough to reduce the value of the oil to the point where it causes corporations to leave the oil in the ground but lol at shame working on anything in hell year 2018. The "plastic as carbon sequestration" bit I got from a few different articles, some that make the case that modern developments in reprocessing technology would let us relatively easily convert plastic back into oil so we could just keep it in a closed loop, and another that made the case that we should just bury it to get it permanently out of the environment. It probably wouldn't actually work all that great but it's an interesting idea imo Carbon is the basis of life and also the destroyer of worlds. What a stupid element.
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Jul 26, 2018 19:13
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https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/07/24/proposal-eliminates-employer-provided-lunches-in-sf-because-restaurants-cant-compete/quote:Two San Francisco supervisors want to do away with employer-provided free lunches, a perk enjoyed by thousands of people who work in the City. That’s because restaurant owners say they can’t compete.
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Jul 26, 2018 19:22
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San Francisco, my heart's devotion, let it sink back in the ocean
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Jul 26, 2018 19:24
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Moridin920 posted:Re the oil futures yes but the price of the future is greatly dependent on potential future profits ie if it becomes too expensive to drill or the price of oil tanks or solar just gets so cheap no one bothers with much oil (or some combo) then futures holders will just have a bunch of capital losses to declare on their taxes. It's not a certainty that all that oil will be extracted and used. Yeah that was the point the article I read was trying to make, that if we could somehow stigmatize it enough it would lose its value and wind up staying in the ground and they'd have to eat their loss, which I find dubious at best considering the raw lobbying power behind the billions of dollars already locked up in it. Solar getting ultra-cheap seems like it might actually happen though considering current trends so we'll see 
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Jul 26, 2018 19:28
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Bodyholes posted:1) That is the environmental footprint of production. We use petroleum for everything, so things made of petroleum byproducts are in a sense freeloading off of the far greater environmental consequences of the other stuff we make with petroleum. If you read the actual study they take into account the environmental impact of the entire lifecycle, from production to disposal, and analyze things other than "cotton bag" and "single-use disposable plastic bag" that also perform much better than the cotton does but can be reused thousands of times
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Jul 26, 2018 19:41
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Hell they even quantify the amount of goddamn radioactivity each one produces, this is a really interesting and detailed paper. Apparently organic cotton releases more radioactivity than normal cotton, weird
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Jul 26, 2018 19:43
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china bot posted:San Francisco, my heart's devotion, let it sink back in the ocean 
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Jul 26, 2018 19:52
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Chomp8645 posted:I like how, without fail, every single moron who spends a lot of money on gaming in a stupid way will always justify it with "just a hobby" or "there are more expensive things" or "it's disposable income". Crippling depression, and no personality outside of the media they consume. People can justify anything they do.
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Jul 26, 2018 20:00
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Bonzo posted:https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/07/24/proposal-eliminates-employer-provided-lunches-in-sf-because-restaurants-cant-compete/ Imagine that, people don't want to go out for full price food every work day. Incredible. I bet companies and employees would love to jump on board if the restaurant can provide food at the same prices. Whats that? They can't? Wierd.
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Jul 26, 2018 20:05
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Bonzo posted:https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/07/24/proposal-eliminates-employer-provided-lunches-in-sf-because-restaurants-cant-compete/
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Jul 26, 2018 20:11
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Bonzo posted:https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/07/24/proposal-eliminates-employer-provided-lunches-in-sf-because-restaurants-cant-compete/ Whether or not Americans get something is determined strictly by whether or not someone will make a direct profit. If they want customers maybe they should make better food than what you get at the office cafeteria.
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Jul 26, 2018 20:25
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Jul 26, 2018 20:36
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Scary! posted:Whether or not Americans get something is determined strictly by whether or not someone will make a direct profit. If they want customers maybe they should make better food than what you get at the office cafeteria. When plebs say they can’t compete: adapt or die When companies say they can’t compete: change the law to eliminate competition
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Jul 26, 2018 20:41
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kuddles posted:LOL This is totally going to be the next step in our dystopian future, where even the few companies willing to provide any benefit to employees whatsoever will have their actions deemed illegal by the state because it's "anti-competitive". Two years later: "All these tech workers take up so many seats that people that live in the neighborhood can't get a table!"
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Jul 26, 2018 20:51
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Scary! posted:Whether or not Americans get something is determined strictly by whether or not someone will make a direct profit. If they want customers maybe they should make better food than what you get at the office cafeteria. Eh work cafeterias are often capitalism as well. It can mean more time in the office or encourage talking shop at lunch. Working lunches means squeezing more work out of your people.
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Jul 26, 2018 20:55
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Eh work cafeterias are often capitalism as well. It can mean more time in the office or encourage talking shop at lunch. Working lunches means squeezing more work out of your people. My work cafe (software company of about 1000 people) sucks and charges $8 for a salad that was made yesterday in a factory. We are in an office park with really nothing else around unless you want to walk a while. Food trucks show up on Friday but their prices are insane.
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Jul 26, 2018 20:58
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Eh work cafeterias are often capitalism as well. It can mean more time in the office or encourage talking shop at lunch. Working lunches means squeezing more work out of your people.
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Jul 26, 2018 20:59
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my company pretty much caters lunch straight to my desk when I'm in the office
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Jul 26, 2018 21:00
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I work in an Amazon routing center and our cafeteria is a self-checkout little store. It's also the place with the most cameras in the whole building. If you so much as leave that area with a single thing you haven't paid for they will track and fire your rear end on the spot. The guy who runs it keeps a spreadsheet of exactly how many of anything is in stock and checks it against the sales records every few hours. Welcome to your future. Bonus capitalism: the same items from the vending machines are like $1 to $3 cheaper but the vending machines routinely refuse to accept money whenever they feel like it so if you want anything other than water or free coffee you gotta go to the one store in the whole building.
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Jul 26, 2018 21:03
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The more I hear about Amazon the more they creep me out
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Jul 26, 2018 21:06
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Amazon is just a digital Walmart. It sucks for employees, drags the whole economy down for it's own profit, and people love it because it has convenient, cheap stuff.
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Jul 26, 2018 21:08
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Scary! posted:The more I hear about Amazon the more they creep me out In a truly capitalist vision each building is its own fief and run differently. Here we can freely go to the bathroom in actual bathrooms and there's water coolers everywhere and, trust me, management despite being management is also passive as hell and lets people be as slow as they want at work. And they pay a starting rate of $12.25 (better than most places here! Way better than small businesses pay!), with the ability to jump to $13.25 after a month and a half. They even have dental and health insurance as a possibility if you make it to that pay rate increase. Oh also they disallow you from working over 29.5 hours in a week except during rush periods like Prime Week where they allow you to work 60 hours. If you make it to 29.5 hours they escort you from the building and tell you to come back on or after Sunday when the new work week begins. No fulltime unless you internally apply for and are accepted to a position like driving the trailers up to the building or running forklifts. If you work hard they give you company scrip you can use to buy cheap Amazon-branded poo poo from the HR counter! The highest ups will also gently encourage management to offer VTO (free day off in exchange for no pay; basically a rest period thing because it's hard work) to the point that everyone who either can't catch the VTO or doesn't want it may have to work for 30+minutes longer than a normal shift to make up the difference in staff. I've spoken with a few people who hate the practice and apparently the money that doesn't go to worker salary goes to management salaries lol
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Jul 26, 2018 21:11
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I thought capitalism would be letting those little restaurants die because they can't compete. Those guys with their market regulating ideas sound like commies.
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Jul 26, 2018 21:13
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I'd post a picture for the thread but photography without written request to management is a fireable offense. Have this one instead.
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Jul 26, 2018 21:15
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Capitalism is whatever you want it to be as long as it satisfies two conditions: 1) Beneficial to more businesses that it harms. 2) Harmful to more workers than it benefits. If your policy does both, congratulations, it's capitalism!
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Jul 26, 2018 21:16
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Apprentice Dick posted:Yeah, my company has a strong full coverage option for $80/month for singles, or they have a HSA based lovely coverage option for $50/month. I have no idea who would sign up for the lovely one, but they keep offering it year over year. Yeah that's the thing - young, less-educated, naive people sometimes don't understand what they're signing away when they opt for the lovely version. Particularly when the HR cow is at their shoulder encouraging them to take the "younger, sexier option that has MORE FREEDOM!!!!" You don't want to be a fuddy-duddy like your parents on their old, tired, boring insurance, do you? No! You want freedom insurance! You save money that way! gently caress. It's been four years and I'm still mad at that HR shill. She couldn't even stand during orientation; she was so fat she had to turn sideways to wheeze into the room. "Pick the cheap insurance (because I ate the good one)!"
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Jul 26, 2018 21:21
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Money grubbing restaurants have no one to blame but themselves. gently caress them all. If your restaurant isn't good enough to get them to come down from their ivory towers to eat your jazzed up burger with mac n cheese then maybe you shouldn't have built your livelihood in someone else's loving shadow. Literally, "but they're eating someone else's food instead of mine" is "wahhhh boohoo" to my ears. It's especially loving hard to run a restaurant when your meal costs 500 dollars, takes 2 hours, and you're paying the loving highest level experts of the culinary profession minimum motherfucking wage. And I'm saying this as a chef who works in San Francisco. Edit: "If passed, this new law would only apply to new companies, not existing companies like Google, Levis and Twitter." gently caress them. Alobar has issued a correction as of 21:28 on Jul 26, 2018 |
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Jul 26, 2018 21:22
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Alobar posted:Money grubbing restaurants have no one to blame but themselves. gently caress them all. My fav is when they changed the laws here so that servers at restaurants get to earn minimum wage instead of like 1/4 of that (they'll make up for the gap with tips!), and all the restaurant owners screeching about how they cant afford to stay in business anymore. Like sorry that your business is run so poorly that paying people the same amount of money as a loving 7-11 is going to kill your profits and make you close down.
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Jul 26, 2018 21:33
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Fashionable Jorts posted:My fav is when they changed the laws here so that servers at restaurants get to earn minimum wage instead of like 1/4 of that (they'll make up for the gap with tips!), and all the restaurant owners screeching about how they cant afford to stay in business anymore. As long as it's across the board they're not losing any competition so wahhh
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Jul 26, 2018 21:40
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Outrail posted:As long as it's across the board they're not losing any competition so wahhh A few restaurants countered the idiots by stating they'd been paying their servers well over minimum wage for years and had been doing fine. I don't think a single restaurant closed due to the increased wages, but I really wished the whiners had been hit hard.
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Jul 26, 2018 21:42
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Edgy opinion: forcing techie scum to spend their big bucks at some place other than their employer while simultaneously decreasing the productivity of large tech companies is cool and good
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Jul 26, 2018 21:47
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Shima Honnou posted:The highest ups will also gently encourage management to offer VTO (free day off in exchange for no pay; basically a rest period thing because it's hard work) to the point that everyone who either can't catch the VTO or doesn't want it may have to work for 30+minutes longer than a normal shift to make up the difference in staff. So it's not a free day off, it's a day that costs you like $100
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Fashionable Jorts posted:My fav is when they changed the laws here so that servers at restaurants get to earn minimum wage instead of like 1/4 of that (they'll make up for the gap with tips!), and all the restaurant owners screeching about how they cant afford to stay in business anymore. My favorite part is how I've had to turn down jobs at michelin loving restaurants because I'm too poor to work for them. I wouldn't be able to pay my rent. So I work freelance dish and prep shifts, sometimes in michelin kitchens, and I get paid 20-30/hr while the cooks who actually work there are getting paid 15 and probably sometimes less. All that "work hard and try hard and you'll succeed!" is forever and always bullshit. Best loving chefs in the world. Getting minimum wage. Capitalism.
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Jul 26, 2018 21:54
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ate all the Oreos posted:So it's not a free day off, it's a day that costs you like $100 Actually it costs between $36.75 and $61.25 depending on the volume of that shift since they reserve the right to either send you home early by calling shift in 3 hours or keeping you an extra hour of not-overtime for a 5 hour shift. usually they offer VTO when it seems like the volume is low and then the people who don't take it end up paid a little bit more because they gotta stay longer to make up the difference. Literally everyone I've spoken to hates the management lol
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Alobar posted:My favorite part is how I've had to turn down jobs at michelin loving restaurants because I'm too poor to work for them. I wouldn't be able to pay my rent. So I work freelance dish and prep shifts, sometimes in michelin kitchens, and I get paid 20-30/hr while the cooks who actually work there are getting paid 15 and probably sometimes less. All that "work hard and try hard and you'll succeed!" is forever and always bullshit. How do they justify paying cooks so little and dish pigs so much (relatively)?
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