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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Matt Zerella posted:

She's eligible for P or VP in 2024.

Cool, but hopefully we'll have an incumbent then.

She seems like a really strong future candidate for NY senator.

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Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
Oh ok I thought they were implying it was a recent thing. Well lol then if “you can’t have ever been conservative/Republican” then you basically might as well ban most white people from politics.

(do that anyway)

https://twitter.com/repmarkpocan/status/1022576682736214019?s=21

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
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speaking of liars: https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/1022274553219899392

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Cool, but hopefully we'll have an incumbent then.

She seems like a really strong future candidate for NY senator.

I'd rather her stay out of the senate TBH. I'd much rather see governor if we are discounting P/VP.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Nocturtle posted:

Can you point to the study showing this? Everything I've seen suggests fully-renewable electricity generation in Europe explicitly requires an inter-continental electrical grid and significant solar capacity installed in North Africa.

That's one of the myths that don't seem to die.

https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ise/en/documents/publications/studies/recent-facts-about-photovoltaics-in-germany.pdf

Around page 50 they start talking about envisioning a feasible near 100% renewable energy system in Germany contingent on energy storage technologies maturing in that time frame.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

We’ve always been at war with the homophobes, Big Brother Cuomo insists nervously.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Lightning Knight posted:

We’ve always been at war with the homophobes, Big Brother Cuomo insists nervously.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/MikeDelMoro/status/1022575939367133184
:fap:

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Who the gently caress even votes for a scumbag like Cuomo.

It is absolutely unreal that he is favored to sail through the primary.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

VitalSigns posted:

Who the gently caress even votes for a scumbag like Cuomo.

It is absolutely unreal that he is favored to sail through the primary.

NY is bad. Really bad.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

so this is generally how recessions start, cool, cool

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

VitalSigns posted:

Who the gently caress even votes for a scumbag like Cuomo.

It is absolutely unreal that he is favored to sail through the primary.

Republicans 'cultural Democrats'.

https://twitter.com/hannahgais/status/1022559541446225920
I'm real glad that liberals are mindlessly repeating Michael Harriot like he has anything resembling an authority on this problem and aren't just looking past all the qualifiers, assumptions and straight-up ignorance in order to confirm the latest narrative.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
A system that can instantly wipe out $100 billion of worth from an imaginary pile of money sure is rational and effective

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Office Pig posted:

Republicans 'cultural Democrats'.

https://twitter.com/hannahgais/status/1022559541446225920
I'm real glad that liberals are mindlessly repeating Michael Harriot like he has anything resembling an authority on this problem and aren't just looking past all the qualifiers, assumptions and straight-up ignorance in order to confirm the latest narrative.

Wait, your problem is he used an outdated term for Russians? That sounds like something a Russian would spot


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Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP


What's makes this extra stupid is that it's because they didn't meet their growth numbers and only have a little over 2 billion accounts at the end of June. I mean it's not like there is an upper limit on the number of humans on this planet let alone ones with an electronic device and wi-fi.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Iron Twinkie posted:

What's makes this extra stupid is that it's because they didn't meet their growth numbers and only have a little over 2 billion accounts at the end of June. I mean it's not like there is an upper limit on the number of humans on this planet let alone ones with an electronic device and wi-fi.

I'm sure there's an ultra hilarious metaphor for this kind of behavior but nothing really can parody life any more.

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!

they endorsed him anyway, of course. The Brooklyn and Queens LGBT Democratic clubs are similarly bad

not that it's just an LGBT thing, those are just the ones I'm familiar with. but you can't change the NY Democratic machine from within

Corsair Pool Boy
Dec 17, 2004
College Slice

Lightning Knight posted:

Oh ok I thought they were implying it was a recent thing. Well lol then if “you can’t have ever been conservative/Republican” then you basically might as well ban most white people from politics.

(do that anyway)

https://twitter.com/repmarkpocan/status/1022576682736214019?s=21

God yes. My politics were reprehensible from about 15 into my early-mid 20s.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.

Iron Twinkie posted:

What's makes this extra stupid is that it's because they didn't meet their growth numbers and only have a little over 2 billion accounts at the end of June. I mean it's not like there is an upper limit on the number of humans on this planet let alone ones with an electronic device and wi-fi.

Also Facebook's CFO has literally been saying "our level of growth will definitely taper, this level isn't sustainable" for 2 years.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

This is really great stuff. I'm very pleased they all signed on for this letter, because hooooly poo poo, the Brazilian government's case against Lula is cartoonishly flimsy. The far right there is doing everything it can to turn the clock back to the 70's.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Wait, your problem is he used an outdated term for Russians?

It is pretty red bait-y. People don't tend to conflate the two that readily, unless they're A, old as hell, or B, trying to tap into reflexive, long-conditioned hatred of a long-dead regime.

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





Iron Twinkie posted:

What's makes this extra stupid is that it's because they didn't meet their growth numbers and only have a little over 2 billion accounts at the end of June. I mean it's not like there is an upper limit on the number of humans on this planet let alone ones with an electronic device and wi-fi.
That's basically how it's supposed to work: analysts expect a company to perform to a certain level and institutions that buy and sell a lot of stock (and so have influence on the market) will adjust their strategies according to that analysis. And if that analysis turns out to be wrong - well, time for everyone to readjust their strategies. Which is what's happening here.

It goes in the other direction too: an otherwise dogshit company can see a bump in their stock price if they have an unexpectedly good quarter.

Freakazoid_
Jul 5, 2013


Buglord

Corsair Pool Boy posted:

God yes. My politics were reprehensible from about 15 into my early-mid 20s.

I'm so glad all my high school internet projects have been erased from the internet. At least one of them had political opinions that were definitely of their time.

I'm just hoping an email I sent to an old state governor was deleted after his leave. Another school project I'd be ashamed of today.

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





Thanatosian posted:

Might've been me. I was railing against unions...

It's loving disgusting.
This is a serious problem with unions when they're a response to capitalism and content to work within that framework as opposed to an organization that is first and foremost about worker empowerment. If you're in any kind of leadership position at a union and you aren't socialist or at least soc-curious you need to Get The gently caress Out.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

What do I do whenever I see a NYT opinion piece that's like: DERP HERES HOW TRUMP WON IN 2020?

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




Grouchio posted:

What do I do whenever I see a NYT opinion piece that's like: DERP HERES HOW TRUMP WON IN 2020?

Have you tried posting about it on Something Awful's forums?

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

This is a serious problem with unions when they're a response to capitalism and content to work within that framework as opposed to an organization that is first and foremost about worker empowerment. If you're in any kind of leadership position at a union and you aren't socialist or at least soc-curious you need to Get The gently caress Out.

What would this entail, exactly?

(This is a genuine question not a gotcha)

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Argas posted:

Have you tried posting about it on Something Awful's forums?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/26/opinion/trump-re-election-2020.html#commentsContainer

Is Bret Stephens a hack?

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005


I'm not sure if you're asking this seriously, but yes he is.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Grouchio posted:

What do I do whenever I see a NYT opinion piece that's like: DERP HERES HOW TRUMP WON IN 2020?

Quit reading the nyt opinion pages and quit reading the nyt

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


Matt Zerella posted:

NY is bad. Really bad.

Democrats here in Illinois also decided to run the biggest sack of poo poo billionaire they could find for governor.

Fortunately our incumbent Republican is an even bigger sack of poo poo but this may be an unnecessarily close race.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Cool, but hopefully we'll have an incumbent then.

She seems like a really strong future candidate for Primarying ChUCK Schumer
Fixed.

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





Lightning Knight posted:

What would this entail, exactly?

(This is a genuine question not a gotcha)
I'm not sure what you mean by "this" but IMO the purpose of unions isn't just to bargain with capitalists on behalf of workers or whatever the gently caress, but to lever power out of the hands of capitalists and to the workers they represent (which is all workers, naturally), taking control and eventually ownership of their companies and industries.

They are a tool to transition from capitalism to socialism, in other words, and it probably goes without saying that they're failing miserably at their job. Mostly because the people running them have been utterly corrupted.

Corsair Pool Boy
Dec 17, 2004
College Slice

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

I'm not sure what you mean by "this" but IMO the purpose of unions isn't just to bargain with capitalists on behalf of workers or whatever the gently caress, but to lever power out of the hands of capitalists and to the workers they represent (which is all workers, naturally), taking control and eventually ownership of their companies and industries.

They are a tool to transition from capitalism to socialism, in other words, and it probably goes without saying that they're failing miserably at their job. Mostly because the people running them have been utterly corrupted.

I think a vanishingly small number of people in the US would describe unions even remotely close to that these days. Whatever they SHOULD be, no one thinks of them in those terms.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

I'm not sure what you mean by "this" but IMO the purpose of unions isn't just to bargain with capitalists on behalf of workers or whatever the gently caress, but to lever power out of the hands of capitalists and to the workers they represent (which is all workers, naturally), taking control and eventually ownership of their companies and industries.

They are a tool to transition from capitalism to socialism, in other words, and it probably goes without saying that they're failing miserably at their job. Mostly because the people running them have been utterly corrupted.

By this I meant, what should unions/union leaders be doing to achieve the transition, in the immediate sense?

Basically what I’m saying is that conceptually I agree with you but I’m not actually sure what that means/looks like exactly.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Corsair Pool Boy posted:

I think a vanishingly small number of people in the US would describe unions even remotely close to that these days. Whatever they SHOULD be, no one thinks of them in those terms.

So? The only thing you're saying here is that the capitalist propaganda apparatus has been highly effective at distorting the meaning of a good amount of political concepts, which isn't exactly news.

Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Jul 27, 2018

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





Corsair Pool Boy posted:

I think a vanishingly small number of people in the US would describe unions even remotely close to that these days. Whatever they SHOULD be, no one thinks of them in those terms.
Yeah, obviously.

Lightning Knight posted:

By this I meant, what should unions/union leaders be doing to achieve the transition, in the immediate sense?

Basically what I’m saying is that conceptually I agree with you but I’m not actually sure what that means/looks like exactly.
Talking about it in terms of the existing union leadership is sorta like talking about what the current Democratic establishment pols need to do to further leftism is this country: the answer is nothing - they should be booted out of office and live the rest of their miserable lives in shame and obscurity. The leadership bubbles up from class action and consciousness like what we saw with teachers' unions earlier this year: "illegal" wildcat strikes and all the rest, basically achieving justice by any means necessary and drat the law which was written by capitalists in the first place. Union leadership doesn't direct worker action, it simply reflects their will and guides what they were going to do anyway. Unions need to be a shitload more democratic. Like the fact that the unions in WV were ready to capitulate basically immediately and the workers themselves had to self-organize (which is what the unions are supposed to loving be in the first place :smdh:) to achieve what they did is deeply to embarrassing to those unions and basically the entire leadership ought to resign immediately (and by this I mean, they ought to resign because their constituents are out for their blood - sadly we aren't there yet).

So I guess most of our existing union infrastructure in this country is kinda dead weight and I'm not sure how much of it is worth salvaging. Not a lot.

e: Oh, in terms of levering the capitalists out on their asses: unions negotiate for board representation. Then they demand and receive majority board representation or the workers loving walk and the company ceases to be a going concern. Unions achieve this across entire industries and they work to elect politicians that make this just a mandatory thing that all companies have to do. Investors take the back seat where they loving belong and thank us for the privilege.

MSDOS KAPITAL fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Jul 27, 2018

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1022503083342016512
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Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod



Where’s the interviews of teenage democrats saying what it’s like to be blue in a red school?

Oh yeah, dems and dem outlets only care about appealing to republicans

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Condiv posted:

Where’s the interviews of teenage democrats saying what it’s like to be blue in a red school?

Oh yeah, dems and dem outlets only care about appealing to republicans

I dunno, I kinda think after that twitter thread where all of Haberman's pro Trump reporting was laid out over the years combined with them helping Cheney start the Iraq war in recent history not to ignore the incredibly screwed focus on Hilary emails versus any GOP scandal they are pretty clearly another Republican outlet. The real issue is why liberals think they are an ally and it's probably because they cater to upper class professionals which Democrats are willing to destroy their party to chase.

Edit: also their endless series of articles trying to normalize fascism like the latest where the oppressed conservative high schoolers watch Fox News because it isn't controlled by big business.

Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Jul 27, 2018

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Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


https://twitter.com/KateAronoff/status/1022610232848117761

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