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Zane
Nov 14, 2007
i found the witcher 3, after the baron, short on actually hard choices. it was impossible to support redania for various reasons. the only real choice was whether you wanted ciri to become the empress or to become a witcher. but that wasn't a choice you knew you exactly had control of. witcher 2 on the other hand was full of hard choices that were clearly telegraphed and difficult in the moment to decide. and the consequences (esp iorveth vs roach) were substantively enormous. these choice mechanics were then extremely well integrated with the larger themes of the narrative which were all about the treacherous zero sum game of politics and the limited power and foresight of individual human beings. witcher 3 sort of tries to repeat all of this but it is diluted by the huge quest for ciri and the largeness of the open world.

Zane fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jul 27, 2018

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Sardonik
Jul 1, 2005

if you like my dumb posts, you'll love my dumb youtube channel
The Witcher 3's ending system was stupid. Didn't let Ciri trash the lab of the person helping you? Share a beer with her instead of having a snowball fight with her? Bad father alert! Enjoy her freezing to death! Poor Ciri, thought of geralt and died.
Had to replay a huge amount of the game just to get a decent ending.

Pile Of Garbage
May 28, 2007



Zane posted:

it's the same way that mao had no real understanding of marxism and combined a superficial reading of it with a bunch of neo-confucian aphorisms into his red book. yang adds a sort of hyper-materialism into the mix in which the biological stuff of human beings can be physically reduced to nerve signals and chemical processes and stuff and be freely manipulated in the interest of greater social efficiency.

No one academically has conflated Mao with Marx. Yang is very much Mao but Domai is much more Marx.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

Sardonik posted:

The Witcher 3's ending system was stupid. Didn't let Ciri trash the lab of the person helping you? Share a beer with her instead of having a snowball fight with her? Bad father alert! Enjoy her freezing to death! Poor Ciri, thought of geralt and died.
Had to replay a huge amount of the game just to get a decent ending.

I didn't think that much of the way the ending was determined, but I lucked into the good ending by making the choices I thought would result in More Content so I'm not really mad at it. I think in the bad ending she probably just beats the... white frost monster(?) and then goes back to universe hopping since she doesn't like Geralt enough to want to stick around

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

Zane posted:

i found the witcher 3, after the baron, short on actually hard choices. it was impossible to support redania for various reasons. the only real choice was whether you wanted ciri to become the empress or to become a witcher. but that wasn't a choice you knew you exactly had control of. witcher 2 on the other hand was full of hard choices that were clearly telegraphed and difficult in the moment to decide. and the consequences (esp iorveth vs roach) were substantively enormous. these choice mechanics were then extremely well integrated with the larger theme of the narrative which was all about the treacherous zero sum game of politics and the limited power and foresight of individual human beings. witcher 3 sort of tries to repeat all of this but it is diluted by the huge quest for ciri and the largeness of the open world.

Counterpoint: https://youtu.be/QwkBnW85CEw

Brother Tadger
Feb 15, 2012

I'm accidentally a suicide bomber!

Skyrim is boring as gently caress

Zane
Nov 14, 2007

cheese-cube posted:

No one academically has conflated Mao with Marx. Yang is very much Mao but Domai is much more Marx.
a lot of western communists and left intellectuals in the mid-twentieth century did very much indeed see the chinese revolution as one part of the larger marxist world-historical trajectory of communist revolution! i agree that domai--from what we see of him--is a much closer approximation to the substantive intellectual ideal of socialism. but the smacx factions have very little intellectual content to them generally so it is difficult to sustain a conversation around them beyond basic sloganeering.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

QuarkJets posted:

but the fact that there are two Act 2s and you only play one of them creates a situation where a shitload of plot just gets lost; this is "meaningful" in the sense that you're choosing which of 2 stories you get to experience, but it's a really bad idea from a narrative perspective because you wind up hiding important plot elements from the player and then you either need to force them to replay that act from the other side or you need to drop in a summary of what was missed.

I disagree strongly with this. You can only ever play one of the two and the story absolutely feels complete.

BioMe
Aug 9, 2012


Transistor was completely ruined to me by that stupid loving narrator gimmick constantly spouting inane observations about stuff I could just see for myself.

Hey that's n--
*in exaggerated husky voice* "What could this thing be?"
Looks like i--
"Huh, looks it's inert."
Oh it's coming ali--
"Or not."
SHUT. UP.


The gameplay itself was decent as far as I could stand the game, and the art style was okay if a bit bland, but goddamn. Just shut up for a few minutes please. You know how every now and then some indie game like Bastion comes up with a novel exciting gimmick every idiot hypes up? Then they do it twice and you realize why no one else came up with it.

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

BioMe posted:

Transistor was completely ruined to me by that stupid loving narrator gimmick constantly spouting inane observations about stuff I could just see for myself.

Hey that's n--
*in exaggerated husky voice* "What could this thing be?"
Looks like i--
"Huh, looks it's inert."
Oh it's coming ali--
"Or not."
SHUT. UP.


The gameplay itself was decent as far as I could stand the game, and the art style was okay if a bit bland, but goddamn. Just shut up for a few minutes please. You know how every now and then some indie game like Bastion comes up with a novel exciting gimmick every idiot hypes up? Then they do it twice and you realize why no one else came up with it.

If they took the Bastion / Transistor / Stories narrator gimmick and went full on Dukes of Hazard with it though it would be good

Like actually make a Dukes of Hazard video game with that

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



banner saga 1-3 are the best oregon trail games of all time

Verisimilidude
Dec 20, 2006

Strike quick and hurry at him,
not caring to hit or miss.
So that you dishonor him before the judges



i found banner saga to be tedious and boring

Zane
Nov 14, 2007
banna saga 3 just came out incidentally. gonna play that.

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

Verisimilidude posted:

i found banner saga to be tedious and boring

They are oregon trail games

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

Verisimilidude posted:

i found banner saga to be tedious and boring

It fits in well with my posting. Also starvation and loneliness.

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Verisimilidude posted:

i found banner saga to be tedious and boring

yeah it's a bad game to play if you're some kind of retard who gets mad about cutscenes and narrative

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Dancing emotes in multiplayer games are an abomination.

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



mmorpgs are abominations

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002

poverty goat posted:

mmorpgs are abominations

The first time I booted up Everquest I was so sure that this was the future of gaming. Who could have guessed that putting thousands of brokebrains in a Skinner box together could have ended so poorly?

Oldstench
Jun 29, 2007

Let's talk about where you're going.

1redflag posted:

Skyrim is boring as gently caress

:agreed:

Verisimilidude
Dec 20, 2006

Strike quick and hurry at him,
not caring to hit or miss.
So that you dishonor him before the judges



poverty goat posted:

yeah it's a bad game to play if you're some kind of retard who gets mad about cutscenes and narrative

nice but i got mad at the boring combat and mechanics

if anything the cutscenes were the only decent part but also the story was boring

Meme Emulator
Oct 4, 2000

punk rebel ecks posted:

Since the average age is 35 for a game player, I always wonder if at some point games began appealing to adults, or if the kids who grew up playing them just got older and never stopped playing.

The latter is almost certainly what happened

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
Gaming is for all ages now.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

1redflag posted:

Skyrim is boring as gently caress

That's the Bethesda Game Studios MO, make a huge open world and then assume that the player will make their own fun. Deliver half a game but charge full price

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
It's impossible to make your own fun in Skyrim.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

steinrokkan posted:

It's impossible to make your own fun in Skyrim.

:agreed:

Verisimilidude
Dec 20, 2006

Strike quick and hurry at him,
not caring to hit or miss.
So that you dishonor him before the judges



fallout 3 and fallout 4 suck dicks

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Fallout is a trash franchise, starting at 1. Gameplay is atrocious, power armor is overpowered and story is ridiculous bullshit that's trying too hard to rip off Mad Max while adding edgy teenage humor.

IDONTPOST
Apr 18, 2018




Verisimilidude posted:

fallout 3 and fallout 4 suck dicks

This is the unpopular opinions thread

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

Colonel Cancer posted:

Fallout is a trash franchise, starting at 1. Gameplay is atrocious, power armor is overpowered and story is ridiculous bullshit that's trying too hard to rip off Mad Max while adding edgy teenage humor.

So you're saying it's a mad max game I guess

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Colonel Cancer posted:

Fallout is a trash franchise, starting at 1. Gameplay is atrocious, power armor is overpowered and story is ridiculous bullshit that's trying too hard to rip off Mad Max while adding edgy teenage humor.

mad max is a trash franchise (excluding fury road and road warrior which are both awesome) so i guess they were just being faithful to the source material

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



IDONTPOST posted:

This is the unpopular opinions thread

So me liking both games means I have an unpopular opinion?

Grindcore ASMR
Nov 28, 2015

Action-puzzlers like Blast Corps and Space Station: Silicon Valley were some of the best N64 games, and were unique, creative, and fun. They don't get enough praise even if they were nothing to write home about visually. Blast Corps had a simple premise: You were a generic man that got inside flying and rolling robots, cars that fired rockets, dump trucks, and other vehicles and had to clear the path for an out of control truck holding nuclear material that could blow up the world. Space Station: Silicon Valley had a bunch of robotic animals that you could jump inside as a microchip and had to clear levels by passing objectives and fighting against other robotic animals in various weather and environments. I don't hear them talked about all that much, but they were great games and were early 3D games that made good use of space even though they had simple visuals and premises.

AutumnDDP
Oct 23, 2016

Grimey Drawer
SHMUPS are best with a keyboard. Arcade sticks for these games (and any other genre really) are just for people that want to relive the past where anyone gave a drat about arcades.

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting
With all the 4 player indie casual-competitive games out there it disappoints me that Blast Chamber hasn't gotten a good remake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gDSlP__tNk

this was good poo poo

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
Where the gently caress is modern bishi bashi

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

Colonel Cancer posted:

Fallout is a trash franchise, starting at 1. Gameplay is atrocious, power armor is overpowered and story is ridiculous bullshit that's trying too hard to rip off Mad Max while adding edgy teenage humor.

Yeah I hate all of Fallout and don't get why it's popular.

Suikoden is generic as gently caress even among JRPG's and is nothing special. Lufia II is the best JRPG just because of the puzzles and casino.

Shibawanko fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Jul 28, 2018

tetsuo
May 12, 2001

I am a shaman, magician
More like StarDON'T Valley. Ahaha.

No it really sucks. This has been a long held opinion before the Jose thread but that's what gave me the inspiration to post it. Thank you for reading, god bless.

Zane
Nov 14, 2007
it's ok. but the mining dungeon crawl area is really anti-thematic. there is enough content for maybe a year in game. the spergs who talk about the enormous 10 year cheese operation they've constructed or whatever the gently caress mystify me.

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Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

The best farm game is Harvest Moon on the SNES, all the later ones got progressively inferior as they added more bullshit. Then Rune Factory came and made the games ugly to boot.

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