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Are you phoning up our support team ten minutes before they clock off and requesting something that involves engineering time and license purchases and is something that our project team have been trying to engage with you on for weeks? Are you then issuing ultimatums about how it 'has' to be done right there and then because you have an expensive consultant sat on site waiting? Do you go on to be rude to our admin staff when they pick the phone up, and repeatedly put the phone down on them? Yeah, you can get hosed buddy.
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I don't use any of these new fangled chats but didn't discord make slack obsolete like facebook made myspace obsolete? Where will the cool teens go next?
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Jul 27, 2018 22:27
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Rexxed posted:I don't use any of these new fangled chats but didn't discord make slack obsolete like facebook made myspace obsolete? Where will the cool teens go next? Discord and Slack fill very different needs I'd say. Discord killed Ventrillo/Teamspeak more than it went after Slack.
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Jul 27, 2018 22:27
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Meh. I'm being such a fan boy of a product were vetting that people are assuming I get a kick back on the sale. What's wrong with being excited for a good product?!
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Jul 27, 2018 22:35
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I like Slack a lot and vastly prefer it to the AIM-style of SfB and whatnot.
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Jul 27, 2018 22:37
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Jul 27, 2018 22:59
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Inspector_666 posted:Discord and Slack fill very different needs I'd say. Discord killed Ventrillo/Teamspeak more than it went after Slack. Ventrillo and teamspeak were never very good products
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Jul 27, 2018 23:04
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chin up everything sucks posted:Ventrillo and teamspeak were never very good products I never implied they were.
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Jul 27, 2018 23:07
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The Fool posted:Veeam now backs up all of Office 365 I honestly question the usefulness of the product.
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Jul 27, 2018 23:10
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What, of Veeam?
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Sickening posted:I honestly question the usefulness of the product. We're mainly looking at it for disaster recovery and ediscovery. e: Thanks Ants posted:What, of Veeam? Of backing up O365 in general, I assume.
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Jul 27, 2018 23:26
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I can sort of see the usefulness of it, because AFAIK there's no way to revert a mailbox back to a point-in-time in Office 365 if somebody fucks it up, which is a pretty standard feature that admins backing up legacy Exchange deployments have been able to do for a while. I don't really see the point of doing it by downloading all the data locally when things like NetApp Cloud Control exist.
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Jul 27, 2018 23:59
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Sepist posted:Meh. I'm being such a fan boy of a product were vetting that people are assuming I get a kick back on the sale. What's wrong with being excited for a good product?! What’s the product?
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Jul 28, 2018 01:03
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Thanks Ants posted:I can sort of see the usefulness of it, because AFAIK there's no way to revert a mailbox back to a point-in-time in Office 365 if somebody fucks it up, which is a pretty standard feature that admins backing up legacy Exchange deployments have been able to do for a while. Yea, backing up O365 environments is highly desirable for some customers. We just talked to one that flat out wouldn’t look at solutions that couldn’t back up their Exchange, OneDrive and Sharepoint environments as well as on prem.
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Jul 28, 2018 01:05
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chin up everything sucks posted:Ventrillo and teamspeak were never very good products Exactly. Discord fills that niche quite well.
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Jul 28, 2018 02:18
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YOLOsubmarine posted:What’s the product? 7signal is the company. They are doing client side wireless monitoring better than everyone else
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Jul 28, 2018 02:22
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Rexxed posted:I don't use any of these new fangled chats but didn't discord make slack obsolete like facebook made myspace obsolete? Where will the cool teens go next? Discord doesn't have animated emoticons and Slack doesn't have good voice chat. Overlapping feature sets, neither obsoletes the other.
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fishmech posted:Discord doesn't have animated emoticons Oh yes it does, in the paid Nitro version.
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Jul 28, 2018 03:24
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Yea, backing up O365 environments is highly desirable for some customers. We just talked to one that flat out wouldn’t look at solutions that couldn’t back up their Exchange, OneDrive and Sharepoint environments as well as on prem. I've always been curious on this. 365 has internal backups. Hell you can do PITR in one drive, you have 2 week periods on Exchange and SPO, what's the motivation for adding a third party into that mixture?
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Jul 28, 2018 04:46
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JackDRipper posted:I've always been curious on this. 365 has internal backups. Hell you can do PITR in one drive, you have 2 week periods on Exchange and SPO, what's the motivation for adding a third party into that mixture? You delete the PITR and any other remaining backups. You can’t restore.
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Jul 28, 2018 05:19
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Slack is insanely useful for work, because you can use webhooks to plug in a whole lot of notifications from your network gear or hardware. So nice being told at a glance that a connection's gone down (or come back up) when it happens and you're away from your computer. Or you're on-call. Say what? That's not a "feature" thats a loving bug. One that I would demand to be immediately fixed. Then I'd remember that I have nothing to do with this nonesense and ask the kids to get off the lawn and generally be happy with life. Still, thats a bug.
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Jul 28, 2018 06:09
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Volguus posted:Say what? That's not a "feature" thats a loving bug. One that I would demand to be immediately fixed. Then I'd remember that I have nothing to do with this nonesense and ask the kids to get off the lawn and generally be happy with life. Still, thats a bug. idgi what's your proposed alternative for fast team communication for operational support?
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Jul 28, 2018 06:59
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JackDRipper posted:I've always been curious on this. 365 has internal backups. Hell you can do PITR in one drive, you have 2 week periods on Exchange and SPO, what's the motivation for adding a third party into that mixture? You are already using Veeam for other backups, but you want more than 14/30 day backups for exchange online. Most customers that would use something like this are already archiving mail outside of office 365.
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Jul 28, 2018 07:53
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Sniep posted:idgi One of the 100 billion communication protocols in existence. People have been communicating one with another in writing for at least 5400 years, verbally for a lot longer. To even "look for a communication protocol" in TYOOL 2018 is quite funny. Not only that, but to choose an unreliable & expensive one when everything else is available is either incompetence or malfeasance. To even ask for "proposed alternative" ... jesus. On what planet are you living on?
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Jul 28, 2018 09:14
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Just do your corporate IT chats on efnet with some bots that talk about your servers. Surely nothing bad could happen.
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Jul 28, 2018 09:29
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Proteus Jones posted:Exactly. Discord fills that niche quite well. roger wilco best VOIP app. It was actually better than vent/teamspeak imo, but didn't really catch on and lacked features to an extent.
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Jul 28, 2018 09:59
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Volguus posted:One of the 100 billion communication protocols in existence. People have been communicating one with another in writing for at least 5400 years, verbally for a lot longer. To even "look for a communication protocol" in TYOOL 2018 is quite funny. Not only that, but to choose an unreliable & expensive one when everything else is available is either incompetence or malfeasance. This sounds like the insane ranting of a crazy person.
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Jul 28, 2018 15:31
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YOLOsubmarine posted:This sounds like the insane ranting of a crazy person. Yeah, I think there's some inherent bias about on-call work in play here.
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MF_James posted:roger wilco best VOIP app. It was actually better than vent/teamspeak imo, but didn't really catch on and lacked features to an extent.
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MF_James posted:roger wilco best VOIP app. It was actually better than vent/teamspeak imo, but didn't really catch on and lacked features to an extent. You misspelled Mumble.
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Jul 28, 2018 17:28
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YOLOsubmarine posted:This sounds like the insane ranting of a crazy person. Of course it is, when the not-insane way is to just go out and use the latest inferior and expensive tech, just because. Duh.
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Volguus posted:Of course it is, when the not-insane way is to just go out and use the latest inferior and expensive tech, just because. Duh. Slack costs zero dollars to start using.
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JHVH-1 posted:Slack costs zero dollars to start using. Of course it is when you just want to
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Volguus posted:Of course it is when you just want to Uh, dude? Maybe stop spouting off dumb poo poo https://slack.com/pricing/free
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Volguus posted:Say what? That's not a "feature" thats a loving bug. One that I would demand to be immediately fixed. Then I'd remember that I have nothing to do with this nonesense and ask the kids to get off the lawn and generally be happy with life. Still, thats a bug. ...It's a bug to not have to occasionally log in and check that things haven't gone to poo poo while on-call, and know when things have the moment it happens so you don't get angry customers ringing to ask why things went to poo poo hours ago? 
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Neddy Seagoon posted:...It's a bug to not have to occasionally log in and check that things haven't gone to poo poo while on-call, and know when things have the moment it happens so you don't get angry customers ringing to ask why things went to poo poo hours ago? Look at his/her other posts, it's that old man yelling at cloud image.
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Yeah, where I am, the guys on-call are entirely extra assistance if the guys working at night/on weekends can't fix something, but if I were the one responsible for IDing and fixing stuff that brakes, a chat client that notified me inobtrusively would be so, so much better than needing to keep a monitoring tool up on my PC all weekend. Email would be terrible - we get so much non-critical mail I would have to be checking my phone every couple minutes to see if THIS one is important.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Uh, dude? Maybe stop spouting off dumb poo poo When you're that small that you're fine with their infrastructure, you're fine with a set and forget IRC server. When you're that big that you have to have the paid for features, you're ok with having a team managing a communications server for you. If you're already in bed with microsoft, most likely you're already paying for Teams, so you may as well use it. If you're that small that you simply cannot have a server ($5/month is too much for you) facing the internet at all ... then sure. It is the only use case that slack does make sense.
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Jul 28, 2018 19:03
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Volguus posted:When you're that small that you're fine with their infrastructure, you're fine with a set and forget IRC server. When you're that big that you have to have the paid for features, you're ok with having a team managing a communications server for you. If you're already in bed with microsoft, most likely you're already paying for Teams, so you may as well use it. Who are you and what's your point?
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Volguus posted:When you're that small that you're fine with their infrastructure, you're fine with a set and forget IRC server. When you're that big that you have to have the paid for features, you're ok with having a team managing a communications server for you. If you're already in bed with microsoft, most likely you're already paying for Teams, so you may as well use it. turn off your monitor
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