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Phylodox posted:I feel like that’s true of almost all the women in the original Star Trek, though. I remember the conversation in Who Mourns for Adonais that went something like “She’s a great asset to the ship. It’s a shame that, like all women, she’ll one day find a man and leave the service.” There’s another example of the attitudes of the time towards women in the next episode, “The Changeling” after Nomad wipes Uhura’s mind: NOMAD: That unit is defective. Its thinking is chaotic. Absorbing it unsettled me. SPOCK: That unit is a woman. NOMAD: A mass of conflicting impulses.
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Trevellian posted:There’s another example of the attitudes of the time towards women in the next episode, “The Changeling” after Nomad wipes Uhura’s mind: And they never restored her mind, either. They just re-taught her her ABCs and completely ignored the horrifying implications therein.
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Jul 28, 2018 19:18
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The_Doctor posted:Seriously, he should have been able to take the lead on a lot of situations, or at least been able to offer a ton of practical advice. I'm not so sure, really. His practical experience seemed to be centered on "endurance" more than anything else. Being a good Merchant Marine third mate on a Liberty ship doesn't translate to being XO on a battleship.
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Jul 28, 2018 19:32
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The most baffling Mayweather decision is the way they used him as beefcake the least out of the human male main cast, despite him being noticeable buffer than Archer/Reed/Trip.
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Jul 28, 2018 19:48
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Phylodox posted:And they never restored her mind, either. They just re-taught her her ABCs and completely ignored the horrifying implications therein. Bloo-ee?
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Pinterest Mom posted:The most baffling Mayweather decision is the way they used him as beefcake the least out of the human male main cast, despite him being noticeable buffer than Archer/Reed/Trip. Genuinely a crime.  
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Pinterest Mom posted:Mayweather [is] noticeable buffer than Archer/Reed/Trip. That's because he masturbates a lot. This is canonical dialogue.
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The_Doctor posted:Seriously, he should have been able to take the lead on a lot of situations, or at least been able to offer a ton of practical advice. Yeah they should have leaned on him way more for information and customs, instead of it always being T'pol every time. Sort of like Enterprise's Neelix, but not obnoxious as gently caress.
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Jul 28, 2018 22:02
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Tom Guycot posted:Yeah they should have leaned on him way more for information and customs, instead of it always being T'pol every time. Sort of like Enterprise's Neelix, but not obnoxious as gently caress. That would have been a great angle. Just have him step in and be like "Captain, these people won't even give you the time of day unless you open negotiations by spitting in their mouths." Or "trust me, the people on this planet are waaay more sexual than they let on at first, keep your guard up." And they all ask him why he knows that, and he begins to tell a story but everyone cuts him off when it gets too freaky.
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Any of that would have required creativity, which Enterprise ran out of somewhere in the middle of the first season.
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Peachfart posted:Any of that would have required creativity, which Enterprise ran out of somewhere in the middle of the first
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One of these days I need to go back and rewatch the pilot and see how it holds up. I seem to remember being more cinematic and epic than previous recent TV Trek, and there was that sense of wonder like "what are they going to find out there, it could be LITERALLY ANYTHING" that they lost like 3 episodes in.
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Jul 28, 2018 22:54
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The_Doctor posted:Seriously, he should have been able to take the lead on a lot of situations, or at least been able to offer a ton of practical advice. I want to say the freighter episode and like one scene in the pilot where he finds the ship’s grav bubble area are the only times he’s ever presented as having more experience at living in space than the rest of the crew. He’s the “gee whiz, aliens!?” guy for the rest of the show.
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Just watched the extended cut of "Measure of a Man" and boy, those added scenes made everything come to a screeching halt. They felt like they went on FOREVER.
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Astroman posted:One of these days I need to go back and rewatch the pilot and see how it holds up. I seem to remember being more cinematic and epic than previous recent TV Trek, and there was that sense of wonder like "what are they going to find out there, it could be LITERALLY ANYTHING" that they lost like 3 episodes in. Episode 4 was an mpreg episode.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Episode 4 was an mpreg episode. Ah the early 2000s, when male rape was played for laughs.
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I'm pretty sure it's season 2 when VOY goes past Neelix's sphere of expertise and there's an episode where he, like, trades bioweapons because I'M USELESS TO YOU now
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Peachfart posted:Any of that would have required creativity, which Enterprise ran out of somewhere in the middle of the first season. I think I pretty much checked out mentally by episode 8. The one where everyone is so excited when they encounter their very first, never discovered before, civilisation. And of course it was just another extremely generic forehead-of-the-week alien.
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Jul 29, 2018 02:33
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I kind of want to annoy people with my posts about Star Trek episodes. What series should I do?
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Brawnfire posted:I kind of want to annoy people with my posts about Star Trek episodes. What series should I do? Whoa, you can’t just give that away for free. Learn to monetize, friend. Get yourself a patreon.
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Don't worry, I plan to have Exclusive Content.
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Bucswabe posted:I think I pretty much checked out mentally by episode 8. The one where everyone is so excited when they encounter their very first, never discovered before, civilisation. And of course it was just another extremely generic forehead-of-the-week alien. In an alternate universe, Enterprise was almost entirely about first contsct scenarios, exploring strange new worlds, seeking new life, and new civilizations. Instead we got Space 9/11 and Vulcanian politics.
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Astroman posted:In an alternate universe, Enterprise was almost entirely about first contsct scenarios, exploring strange new worlds, seeking new life, and new civilizations. And decontaminating. 
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I regularly decontaminate myself at work, though, so now those vaguely erotic scenes of people getting clean are just my life. Except we don't slather on goo, we wash it off because all the goo we have at work can give you cancer. Or leave you infertile! Yay!
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HD DAD posted:Ah the early 2000s, when male rape was played for laughs. The Orville really does borrow from Trek a lot.
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Seth MacFarlane spooning a blue Rob Lowe who gets out of bed and looks out a window seeing two giant alien fleets destroying each other, and sighs "I can't help but feel I'm in some way partially responsible for this" still makes me laugh just thinking about it, sorry.
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I really hate most of the Star Trek "alien pheromones/mating cycles make everyone horny" episodes, but was pretty entertained by that Orville, so I'd say that's one cliche they actually improved upon.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Seth MacFarlane spooning a blue Rob Lowe who gets out of bed and looks out a window seeing two giant alien fleets destroying each other, and sighs "I can't help but feel I'm in some way partially responsible for this" still makes me laugh just thinking about it, sorry. I can see plenty of the humour in that episode but if only the circumstances were just a bit different.
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Mayweather should have the Enterprise chief engineer.
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Kibayasu posted:I can see plenty of the humour in that episode but if only the circumstances were just a bit different. Yeah there were funny parts, but joking about rape in 2018 is more than a little 
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McSpanky posted:Phase pistols Photonic torpedos
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Every time I consider giving Orville a try, someone says something that reminds me why I haven’t. I can do without Seth McF rape jokes, thnx. In lighter news, a friend is essentially giving me a ticket to Star Trek Las Vegas. Any of you other nerds gonna be there?
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Astroman posted:In an alternate universe, Enterprise was almost entirely about first contsct scenarios, exploring strange new worlds, seeking new life, and new civilizations. Enterprise should have been responsible for the creation of the prime directive because the crew is so enthusiastic about helping people that it occasionally backfires disastrously.
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Geekboy posted:Every time I consider giving Orville a try, someone says something that reminds me why I haven’t. The episode was borderline and it's certainly not a good look to be even arguably making rape comedy in the year of our Trump, BUT Much of the reaction is overblown or taken out of context.
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It really isn’t. But it’s an anomaly in an otherwise good season.
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Kibayasu posted:It really isn’t. But it’s an anomaly in an otherwise good season. It's the kind of episode that, had it come out 20 or even 10 years ago, there wouldn't have been such a strong reaction to it, but now, especially after the #metoo movement and the increased awareness and focus on issues of consent and rape has changed the way an episode like that is viewed.
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Geekboy posted:In lighter news, a friend is essentially giving me a ticket to Star Trek Las Vegas. Any of you other nerds gonna be there? Once in a while I think about how neat it might be to go to STLV and meet all the actors and listen to panels, but then I’m reminded of how terrible the attendees at most cons are and how much worse a con full of diehard trekkies would be. The smell alone would be enough to kill you.
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