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Laserface posted:the environmental poo poo can be done in the background because literally nobody notices (see: All the anti-environment poo poo that happens all the time with zero interference) I admire your optimism, but surely for this to work this way, that whole, '[whatever] party hates businesses and want to kill thousands of jobs because they love trees' thing would need to either not be done, or not be accepted by voters. And if either of those were the case, why rebrand?
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The Peccadillo posted:Can I call beet guy retarded? Are you new here?
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Gentleman Baller posted:I admire your optimism, but surely for this to work this way, that whole, '[whatever] party hates businesses and want to kill thousands of jobs because they love trees' thing would need to either not be done, or not be accepted by voters. And if either of those were the case, why rebrand? That's highly specific to Tasmania. I so that think it's been a great federal issue for ages. While the carbon tax was environmentally based it was all just about taxes and hurting jobs and income and $3000 bottles of gas or whatever.
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froglet posted:I've heard a bunch of people who claim they voted Green when Scott Ludlam was around but now they don't because nobody compares to him. Or something. The leader of the Greens is literally a white male investment banker.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:The leader of the Greens is literally a white male investment banker. That apparently explains the 8.7%
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:The leader of the Greens is literally a white male investment banker. Do you mean that he’s a white male GP?
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Dude McAwesome posted:Do you mean that he’s a white male GP? Yeah you're right, for some reason I thought he used to be a banker. Must have gotten him confused with Turnbull. The point still stands though.
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Jul 30, 2018 10:20
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Beetphyxious posted:Are you new here? Not really. Are you retarded?
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Yeah you're right, for some reason I thought he used to be a banker. Must have gotten him confused with Turnbull. That's Senator Whish-Wilson
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Jul 30, 2018 10:30
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I’m gay.
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go and convert the drought stricken farmers to environmentalism
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:I’m gay. Hard or soft g
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Beetphyxious posted:That's highly specific to Tasmania. I so that think it's been a great federal issue for ages. While the carbon tax was environmentally based it was all just about taxes and hurting jobs and income and $3000 bottles of gas or whatever. That specific issue is a Tasmanian one, yeah, but as an example, the Green's Murray Darling Basin plan has less support than the Carbon Tax did. As far as I can tell, polling for green positions is great, but as soon as you have a policy ironed out all the Liberal party needs to do is adopt a far shittier position, like an emissions trading scheme vs your carbon tax, and sit back as huge swaths of the media agree that the Liberal position is the rational adult one whereas the Not Greens Party policy is too extreme and will hurt the precious economy. Living in QLD, I shudder to imagine how hard the fight against Adani would be if the company wasn't Indian. Don't get me wrong, rebranding could benefit the party in plenty of ways, but I just can't see how it'd stop the usual suspects from letting sensible environmental policy go through without turning it into a huge issue.
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The Peccadillo posted:Not really. Are you retarded? Please stop
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Beetphyxious posted:Let's brainstorm new names: There's a sure way for them to get votes, the Cathat way. The Liberal National Greens Party.
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Gentleman Baller posted:but I just can't see how it'd stop the usual suspects from letting sensible environmental policy go through without turning it into a huge issue. the greens have an image problem that is an issue of their legacy of tree hippies. re branding allows that image to be shed quicker than just charging ahead and pretending there isn't a problem. they might hit similar roadblocks at the onset, but i don't see that as a reason to not do it, especially as those roadblocks are definitely there now and are not going anywhere, but with the alternative? otherwise the strategy is just 'wait for the other parties to stop using that against us' and that's not a strategy either.
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Birdstrike posted:go and convert the drought stricken farmers to environmentalism Nah, it's definitely all our foreign aid spending causing those problems
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The Royal Australian Navy posted a video of a male naval officer with a painted pinky fingernail to help promote gender equity in the workplace. It hasn’t gone down well.
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Beetphyxious posted:the greens have an image problem that is an issue of their legacy of tree hippies. re branding allows that image to be shed quicker than just charging ahead and pretending there isn't a problem. My objection was specifically to the idea that rebranding would allow the Greens to do environmentalism in the background. No matter what they're called, if they're pursuing policies that favour the environment over vested interests how could it be allowed to be in the background? Labor's environmental policies, even the ones that don't have anything to do with the greens party, aren't allowed in the background.
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bandaid.friend posted:Please stop Too slow
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When Sydneysider Caitlin Hession bought her Brunswick apartment off the plan in 2015, she thought she was making a smart financial move – Melbourne properties were much cheaper. She packed up and moved south, and after living in the apartment for over a year, signed a lease in Windsor to be closer to friends – and rented out her Brunswick property. Instead of putting the 28-year-old project manager in a stronger financial position, the move left her struggling to keep up with day-to-day living expenses. Her tenants were consistently late with the rent. Victorian rental laws allow tenants on fixed-term leases to be up to 14 days in arrears before they can be evicted, and Ms Hession said her tenants were using this to their advantage. For the five months they have lived there, Ms Hession’s tenants have been in arrears by at least 12 days. It has left her behind by up to $900 each month, because she relied on the rent to pay her mortgage. “They’re very savvy, they know that they have to pay a little bit before the 14th day,” she said. “For a few days before payday it’s been water and flour pancakes. Landlords are obviously seen as big, bad, Donald Trump people, but if you’re like me it’s not like that at all – you’re literally on such a tight budget every month to be able to do it.” It’s a story Real Estate Institute of Victoria vice president Leah Calnan said was becoming more common. “As household costs increase, as land tax comes through, as council rates increase – all of those expenses, I have owners who ring each day to say ‘has the rent come in?'” Ms Calnan, a property management specialist, said. She advised landlords to have a month’s rent in reserve where possible, and to try to come to a solution with their tenant – such as paying the rent fortnightly rather than monthly. “Have their property manager talk to their tenant and say ‘you’re always in arrears, is it because this is the way you operate or is it something else and can we help you?'” In NSW, if landlords can prove hardship to a tribunal, they are able to end a tenancy during a fixed term agreement. There is no such provision in Victorian law. Landlords can only end a tenancy if they can prove the tenant is in arrears by more than 14 days, or that they have broken the agreement in another way, such as using the premises for illegal purposes. Once a fixed term lease has ended, landlords had more options to remove tenants from the property, including the no specified reason provision which requires 120 days notice. Proposed changes to the act by the Andrews government would remove the no specified reason provision for ending a lease, but landlords could still end a tenancy at the end of a fixed term with 90 days’ notice. Consumer affairs minister Marlene Kairouz said Victoria’s rental laws needed updating. “We’ll have more to say about our rental reforms this year,” Ms Kairouz said. Ms Hession did manage to serve her tenants with a notice to vacate and schedule a Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal hearing, to no avail. “The case was dismissed on a technicality because I sent the notice to vacate on the 14th day and they’d paid a little bit the night before, so it was 13 days in arrears when the notice was served,” Ms Hession said. She said she didn’t think changing her tenants’ payment schedule would fix the problem, and that her agent had tried to find a solution, including allowing them to end the lease agreement without any consequences. Even selling the property was not an option, because the tenants sent Ms Hession’s agent a letter threatening to seek compensation for holding open homes. She will now wait to sell once the lease expires in September, and said she would not consider renting it out again, even though she could get better tenants. “I think it’s very rare, but in the event that you’re unlucky like me and it does happen, there’s no protection – it’s just basically ‘too bad, you have to deal with it’.”
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froglet posted:Cynical/depressing answer: the Greens candidate for Freo was an Aboriginal woman (Dorinda Cox) and West Australians aren't exactly known for their acceptance of women or aboriginal people. I hope her preferences didn't go to the ALP (of course they did)  And this goes completely unreported in the national media, because why would they, it's just business as usual.Beetphyxious posted:OK we will keep with the current strategy of waiting for all the baby boomers to die. We don't do ideas here. We do strength through suffering.
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Jesus, why the gently caress would you buy a house if you are literally starving to make repayments if something goes temporarily wrong.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Landlord bullshit Also keeping up the tradition of not providing an URL
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Birdstrike posted:go and convert the drought stricken farmers to environmentalism
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:When Sydneysider Caitlin Hession bought her Brunswick apartment off the plan in 2015, she thought she was making a smart financial move – Melbourne properties were much cheaper. this is from like feb or something. anyway dont' buy an investment property if you can't afford it you dunce
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ewe2 posted:I hope her preferences didn't go to the ALP (of course they did) Genuine question: if not the ALP, where should they have gone?
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Whitlam posted:Genuine question: if not the ALP, where should they have gone? the bin
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In Queensland last state election and federal election the Greens put environmental issues on the backburner and campaigned on things like housing, public transport and political reform. Guess even when you do that no one notices.
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