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Holy gently caress hahaha. Cant wait to watch Wing.
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What did everyone make of the last Origin OVA? I thought the bit with Fraw Bow at the end was a weird change. In the manga she pulls Amuro into the water with the kids, whereas in the OVA she just watches as he solemnly walks away. That the whole "On the Eve" chapter is left out entirely is kind of weird too. Raxivace fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Jul 28, 2018 |
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JBP posted:Holy gently caress hahaha. Cant wait to watch Wing. obligatory https://youtu.be/L2LwpNaZzTA
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Obligatory "He's good perhaps" and "No, no machine gun for him, shoot him down"
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Raxivace posted:What did everyone make of the last Origin OVA? I haven't read all of the manga yet, but honestly knowing their characters, both ways make sense. The battle of Loum was loving amazing mobile suit porn. Having waited to see it for over 30 years I wasn't disappointed at the slightest. Now I want them to re-animate the original Gundam in this style. 
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My favorite thing about Wing's first episode is Relena introducing herself to thin air and then asking the air for its name. She even waits several seconds for a reply. Best Gundam Lady for me.
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NikkolasKing posted:My favorite thing about Wing's first episode is Relena introducing herself to thin air and then asking the air for its name. She even waits several seconds for a reply. Before she goes Total Pacifism Now Relena is amazing.
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sassassin posted:Before she goes Total Pacifism Now Relena is amazing. She tries to murder a guy at a diner party. She jumps on stage to trash all the old men running the world later on. She good.
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Relena saying "why yes, my dress does look pretty, but it'd look even better SOAKED IN THE BLOOD OF OZ" and then pulling a loving gun on lady une, in the middle of a major political conference, IA my favorite part of the whole show
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She'S the kid from Tetsujin-28 and Heero is Tetsujin.
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Just a random thought; a bunch of Gundam settings associate the Gundams with angelic imagery like 00 (explicitly) and Wing, whilst IBO liked them to demons ( and the Mobile Armours to angels) In the original the RX-78-2 was dubbed "white devil", is that as many associations s there are across the franchise, or is there a recurring theme that's been going for a while? I can't think of any explicitly angelic imagery for UC suits besides maybe some of the AOT suits. Partly I just wonder if they learnt into devils and demons outside IBO.
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There's the Devil Gundam, for one. edit: and the Epyon and Virsago certainly look evil
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The Unicorn definitely has some angelic vibes to it but it is also crossed with the demonic reds of its NT-D system.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Just a random thought; a bunch of Gundam settings associate the Gundams with angelic imagery like 00 (explicitly) and Wing, whilst IBO liked them to demons ( and the Mobile Armours to angels) Angelic imagery first appeared with the Nu in CCA. Which I guess makes sense, because that’s where the Gundam started becoming far more than just a simple weapon of war.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Just a random thought; a bunch of Gundam settings associate the Gundams with angelic imagery like 00 (explicitly) and Wing, whilst IBO liked them to demons ( and the Mobile Armours to angels) Neo Zeong had a halo at one point.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Just a random thought; a bunch of Gundam settings associate the Gundams with angelic imagery like 00 (explicitly) and Wing, whilst IBO liked them to demons ( and the Mobile Armours to angels) It's pretty common for Gundams to be associated with angels or godlike beings in some visual form. V's beam wings and the Angel Halo are obvious, God Gundam is obvious, Wing is obvious, X has some pretty blatant God-themes to its Gundam, Freedom absolutely has an Angelic silhouette and so-on. It's probably both because it looks cool and because the idea of something peaceful becoming a weapon of war ties in petty nicely to a lot of Gundam's overaching themes of child soldiers/newtypes/exploited people. It's also why the "Gundam as a legendary hero" theme is basically nonstop in Gundam these days. The Gundam itself has basically become a mythological being as far as the franchise is concerned (As you see with 00, AGE, IBO, G-Reco... basically every recent Gundam series.)
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I like the cynical take on the Gundam iconography from Bandit Flower. They're just strapping Gundam style heads into GMs for the psychological impact.
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The most blatant religious Gundam thing is the first scene of Gundam 00. Where the Gundam is literally god. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR7DRNz9t_0
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Come to think of it, the Zeta does have a little bit of divine imagery associsted with it - most famously, the psychic aureole Kamille manifests in the final battle. The Nu is where it starts getting explicit, though. That said, the Nu is specifically an incomplete angel, halfway between another war machine and something transcendent and divine. I do think it’s worth noting that it’s not until much later in the Universal Century, when humanity’s Newtype awakening has reached strange, wonderful, and terrible new heights, that we get our first true angel, the Victory-2.
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Finally got around to watching The Origin 6. Garma is not a good kid. At best he's the least schemy of the Zabis but all that means is that he'd be easy as hell to manipulate. I enjoyed the depiction of ships as durable as hell. Even a straight on ship-scale beam cannon wasn't coring vessels left and right, which is a welcome change from ships dying from the slightest thing. I did find it a bit silly that the Revil fleet doesn't spot Dozle's forces right up until they cross paths. Now if only the manga wasn't like $30 CAD a volume.
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Argas posted:Finally got around to watching The Origin 6. Worth remembering that along with messing up Radio and Radar, Minovsky Particles screw with literally the entire Electromagnetic Spectrum, even visible light and heat sensors get messed up at high enough concentrations(because of this the monitors inside a Mobile Suit cockpit or Ship bridge don't actually show the direct feed from the cameras, said images get processed by computers first, so the pilots are seeing a cg recreation instead, this is why Dummy Balloons are effective, same with the F91's after images)
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drrockso20 posted:Worth remembering that along with messing up Radio and Radar, Minovsky Particles screw with literally the entire Electromagnetic Spectrum, even visible light and heat sensors get messed up at high enough concentrations(because of this the monitors inside a Mobile Suit cockpit or Ship bridge don't actually show the direct feed from the cameras, said images get processed by computers first, so the pilots are seeing a cg recreation instead, this is why Dummy Balloons are effective, same with the F91's after images) Well they did have people using their eyeballs through space glass. It just felt a little silly going from "what's that in front of us" to "the zeon fleet is right in front of us!" and then broadsides and poo poo. That's another issue I had with it. The passage of time isn't well indicated. It gets easy to catch on that some amount of time is passing between jumps but it's very vague whether it's days or weeks sometimes.
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Found this online today. In general I like the fanart and such of the robots decaying or covered in moss after years of disuse or whatever. GATOS Y VATOS posted:I haven't read all of the manga yet, but honestly knowing their characters, both ways make sense.
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Raxivace posted:Yeah the more I think about it the more the choice makes sense to me. Its just weird because The Origin feels like a very straight adaptation in some ways, like they're just using the manga as a storyboard, and in others you've got these subtle differences that seem more important and notable the more I think about them. For an obvious one, Char's levels of dickery go up significantly in the anime version of the origin, which is saying something.
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So I’m about halfway through the first season of 00. I haven’t watched it since it aired, but does the show or any of its extra material expand upon the evil Haro that’s found in Jovian orbit?
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ManSedan posted:So I’m about halfway through the first season of 00. I haven’t watched it since it aired, but does the show or any of its extra material expand upon the evil Haro that’s found in Jovian orbit? Not directly. Celestial Being was up to something very important and plot-relevant around Jupiter, and one of them just happened to have an evil Haro for shits and giggles.
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Unicorn rewatch episode 4. Still the best episode of the series. Also, Riddhe continues to be a weirdo whose family seems to exist in some bizarre Edwardian Era gentleman's conduct where you ask a woman's hand in marriage after knowing her for a week and a half. At least they threw him back in the Delta Plus and Bright told him to gently caress off with his overeager resistance to his innate elitism. Get in the drat Mobile suit and do your job rather than whinging about how hard it is being part of the marcenas family. Bright is good. Too bad he's a lovely father. Gonna be great when he oversees his own son's execution in those Hathaway's Flash adaptations they're working on. Best part of the episode is still everything they do with the Zeon Remnants and the Garancieres crew. Zinnerman is hands down my favourite character in the show and this episode is the main reason why. He's just such a flawed person trying to do what he feels is right but also being susceptible to desires for vengeance even when he knows it will fix nothing. And Byarlant Custom pilot gives no fucks as he massacres two thirds of the zeon attack force by himself.
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Arcsquad12 posted:And Byarlant Custom pilot gives no fucks as he massacres two thirds of the zeon attack force by himself. Said pilot was so good they gave him a short spinoff manga. And in Super robot wars Z that pilot turns out to be Four Murasame.
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ANAmal.net posted:Bright owns in basically every show/movie he shows up in. I agree. He deserves better treatment, a hamburger, and to ride his rainbow.
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I still can't get over how good of a title The Man Who Could Not Ride the Rainbow is.
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If Bright is so great, why did he shave the beard?
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Tulalip Tulips posted:I watched the Zeta movies with my gf again last night and now she wants to watch the actual series because she needs to know what the gently caress was up with Four and Kamille. She also really liked Reccoa though and I haven't told her much about the series itself so that will be fun. I haven't watched Zeta properly in years because I didn't really like it that much when I did watch it, but I've skimmed episodes occasionally to make webms or check things for discussion and the more I see of Reccoa the more I like her. I'm tempted to re-watch the show just to find all the bits of development and foreshadowing of her character's actions. chiasaur11 posted:As for "For the Barrel"'s designs? Well, they're all 90% leg, which is weird. They also have less variation in shape. Like, in the original Gundam, most of the cast tried for a "these are just people, tossed into a situation they're desperately trying to cope with". For The Barrel's designs feel much less schlubby, so people like Sayla and Char stand out less. Char is actually one of the worst designs from 0079 in my opinion. Yea, he stands out but I never really feel like his character should immediately stand out given he's gone undercover to target the people who killed his parents. Every time I think about the fact that he wears a mask to disguise his face because the Zabis knew him more than a decade ago when he was a child I wonder why he wears a mask at all. His face has surely changed enough to be generic to them more than a decade later through the main growth spurt of a person's life. Surely, some disfigurement or facial hair or something is less intrusive as a disguise anyway? It makes me wonder how he got through a recruitment station and basic training. Kycilia at least is a part of the ruling family, so she has the freedom to be eccentric and she doesn't even wear her face cloth a lot of the time anyway. Omnicrom posted:Yeah, Riddhe goes through some serious character development. By which I mean he goes through poo poo, because Riddhe gets utterly poo poo on by life. Honestly he's kind of an altogether fascinating dude. Riddhe is one of my favorite rival characters in Gundam, and I think perhaps a better rival character than Char in some ways. I love that he's actually the main character's friend and ally for a while but believably turns against him because of his own jealousy over who and what the main character is; that Banagher is basically everything he wants to be without even trying. Luin/Mask from G-Reco got compared to Frank Grimes from The Simpsons at times, but I think Riddhe is probably even more apt as a comparison to Frank Grimes. Riddhe wants to be a man of the people whose family and past doesn't define him, wants to be the hero of the story who saves the day from the threat of Zeon, wants the girl etc. and can see Banagher doing all that without trying and it just loving kills him. The scene of Bright shutting down his "I just want to be one of the regular pilots" poo poo is great for that reason. He's being kind of condescending without intending to and Bright just does not care. The climax of his character isn't anywhere near as defining or strong as that of Char and his turn to anger and resentment is a bit too fast (not unexpected in a 7 episode show; even if those episodes are double length) but I love his relationship to the main character and how it informs their rivalry. Arcsquad12 posted:There's an odd sense of finality to Unicorn which doesn't really fit with the rest of the UC as of the 0090s. If it was just about the last hurrah for Zeon before they finally gave away to the successor spacenoids movements, that would be one thing, but given that only a few decades later Mars Zeon tries again, it makes that finality moot. What makes you think Mars Zeon is canon? Guy Goodbody posted:The most blatant religious Gundam thing is the first scene of Gundam 00. Where the Gundam is literally god. It's also probably the most interesting because it's not just a thematic image but is such an explicit part of Setsuna's development and character. He deifies the idea and image of Gundam for a lot of the show, replacing the concept of "God" with that of "Gundam" because worship of God let him down and made his life so poo poo while a Gundam saved his life and he simply wants to be a soldier for one instead of the other with the story revolving around his questioning of what that means and how to do so. Arcsquad12 posted:Bright is good. Too bad he's a lovely father. Gonna be great when he oversees his own son's execution in those Hathaway's Flash adaptations they're working on. I would be shocked if they keep that ending to be honest. I know it's the defining moments of the story to many, but it's so bleak and lovely to one of the setting's most beloved characters that I really can't see the people who made Unicorn keeping it. Arcsquad12 posted:Best part of the episode is still everything they do with the Zeon Remnants and the Garancieres crew. Zinnerman is hands down my favourite character in the show and this episode is the main reason why. He's just such a flawed person trying to do what he feels is right but also being susceptible to desires for vengeance even when he knows it will fix nothing. Isn't episode 4 where Mineva has her discussion with the owner in the diner over coffee? That's probably the single best scene from Unicorn in my opinion. One of the stronger scenes in Gundam full stop, despite having nothing to do with mobile suits. It's just a really well done slow chat about the social aspects of the setting that helps sell the character of Mineva as someone tired of what's going on as well as of Char and everything he's done. tsob fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Jul 30, 2018 |
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tsob posted:lots of stuff Regardless of whether Mars Zeon becomes canon or not, the future going forward from Unicorn has shown that Mineva's speech didn't work. Narrative is working off the idea that the federation covered everything up but the rogue Phenex threatens to blow everything open again. I really hope that Narrative doesn't devolve into another Zeon conflict, but Im not ruling out that possibility. And even besides that, the UC is only a few decades off from the Crossbone Vanguard conflict, so spacenoids and earthers really don't come to much of an accord. Incidentally this is also why I think they'll keep Hathaway's execution in the adaptation. We're living in a much more cynical time now than when Unicorn came out and, intentionally or not, the most recent Gundam shows have been much bleaker wrt the future. Riddhe is such a good rival character that episode 7 harms him the most. By that point everyone else knows where they stand, but Riddhe has to go through an entire fall from grace and redemption arc in twenty minutes before he goes off to chase Banagher on the magical mystery tour. As always, Unicorn ep 7 is the weakest. There need to be more scenes like the coffee shop conversation where Gundam explores the cost of conflict from beyond the cockpit or the immediate fallout of a battle.
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tsob posted:It's also probably the most interesting because it's not just a thematic image but is such an explicit part of Setsuna's development and character. He deifies the idea and image of Gundam for a lot of the show, replacing the concept of "God" with that of "Gundam" because worship of God let him down and made his life so poo poo while a Gundam saved his life and he simply wants to be a soldier for one instead of the other with the story revolving around his questioning of what that means and how to do so.
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