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Quavers
Feb 26, 2016

You clearly don't understand game development
Astromedics Mini Game Winners :toot:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/rsi-apollo-astromedics-minigame-winners

"In total, we had over 17,000 entries that scored more than 100,000 points and therefore were eligible for the contest."

2 million accounts, 500k+ backers, and only 17k played the easy minigame for 5 minutes :shrug:

E: gently caress, please can someone spot me a page taxxe TIA

Quavers fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Jul 30, 2018

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Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.
YOUTUBE: Calling All Devs - Missiles, 600i, and Quantum Filters

Calling two devs, actually — John Crewe and Rob Reinenger...

Crewe explains how things on paper don’t always work the way you expected once brought into the game, has longer stories he will tell over drinks at Bar Citizen but not on Calling All Devs.

Lando once again extols the virtues of their process.

Crewe explains missile issues that resist their attempts to correct. (It seems nearly everything can break missile behavior, including planets.)

FUD about HUD.

If the state of the game is driving you to drink, don’t worry — an improved Bar experience is coming!

G0RF fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Jul 30, 2018

Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010



MedicineHut posted:

A group of Spanish citizens tries to jam 50 players in a server. The results through the eyes of this streamer are pretty much as expected.

If you have the guts to endure the 2.5 hours of this ordeal you will see a Caterpillar exploding for no good reason with all commandos on board at around the 29 minute mark. Coordinated jump freezes, more random freezes, ursa rover ship physics breaking, more freezes and reboots etc.

Of the 2.5 hours the streamer here probably spent around 2 hours reloading or just trying to regain his position prior to the 5 or 6 crashes he had during the event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVD-Djst4NY

I am pretty sure we will see an edited/cut version of this just with the good bits at some point.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

TheAgent posted:

I only use 2.5E because gently caress me if 3E forward wasn't for loving casuals who ended up ruining the entire system

I mean like, girls even wanted to play after that. girls. girls! can you believe it?! no thanks

The best games let you kill your entire party before the game even started. Twice.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

:lol:

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

TheAgent posted:

now you understand game development

*in his best Jim Ross*
AWWW SONOVABITCH!

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Scruffpuff posted:

That's one of the 3,500 giveaways that Chris Roberts is an idiot. "Tier-0" implementation of a mechanic that exists in a total vacuum. There is no economy, crafting, mining, refining, materials list, or even a single line of code that would support the underlying structure for any one of those things, let alone all of them. There is no plan, nobody has any idea what anything even is, but mining, because Elite. So here's some "shale" and point this laser and boom, mining is now "in game."

When you aim as low as CIG does, everything can technically be "in-game" at Tier-0 implementation:

- Farming? Point a light at a seed and hit "F". Tier-0.
- Inevitable consequence of piracy? Point at another commando at hit "F". Tier-0.
- Fueling? Point at the fuel port on your chariot and hit "F". Tier-0.

The only thing CIG can't do is things that require a bit more than just hitting "F". Like, for example, a flight model.

This whole loving fiasco is a giant act of game development sleight-of-hand. Chris says something will be in game, they put in a super-basic representation of that thing and say they'll build on it, and people just take it all at face value, despite the fact that CIG is incapable.

Star Citizen is basically stub code for a game Chris can't make.

Yes, totally agree. :)

Being able to make these low grade "check box ticks" has been huge for supporters though. The appearance of progress sometimes happens is good for them to keep spending money.

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

SoftNum posted:

I actually have always hypothisized that managers really REALLY hated programmers cause programming is not a factory-like work (You won't always get X objects out of Y time, even if you did once); so management (and marketing) invented increasingly convoluted things to check up on programmers....

The whole 'time and motion' thing was born out of the 1970s production line model and it didn't translate across _at all_. First wave outsourcing concentrated on _production to specification_ which led to some of the _best_ hostile compliance you've ever seen. The 1990s was fun, in terms of first wave development, because nobody had a clue what the worth was, and back in 1996 there were few people actually monetizing. So you always ended up with sales suggesting that they were the engine and IT was a drain, right up until their laptop wouldn't boot.

Mythical Man month was an attempt to address this that is _way_, _way_ out of date, but still referenced by people who never actually came across a time and motion study, or worked with production lines (They're strange animals that require setting up and can run out of sync depending on the line use. Lose a line for a couple of hours and you can have horrible backups; likewise when building a line, you have to have some concept of capacity for expansion or production changes.) It's one of the reasons I don't use it; _actual_ context has moved on. It would be like explaining pulse dialling to someone these days; historically relevant, but completely out of context.


TheAgent posted:

I only use 2.5E because gently caress me if 3E forward wasn't for loving casuals who ended up ruining the entire system

I mean like, girls even wanted to play after that. girls. girls! can you believe it?! no thanks

2nd edition was a mistake.

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

Nyast posted:

CIG has invented a new development methodology. 500 developers behind one chair. Not sure how it's called. Includes Tier-0 methodoloy for free.

Chris-driven development. 500 developers, one Chris. The Chris has to remain in constant motion to deal with every developer, but he'll be around to every one of them in turn.

If you need the Chris, you just have to wait for it to rotate around.

Fake Edit: So what happened to all that mocap?

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.
https://www.reddit.com/user/Bluegobln

This person is truly insane.

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

Yeah, those opinions on Rangers are terrible.

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard
https://twitter.com/CliffordakaMiku/status/1022595707709153281
https://twitter.com/CliffordakaMiku/status/1023255056089591808
https://twitter.com/CliffordakaMiku/status/1023256870142795778

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
I can't be stupid, I have money. look at how many fans I have. would a stupid person have this many fans, or this much money?

didn't think so, gently caress off

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
why the hell would you ever need a dual systems case anyway

I bought a intel NUC for light office work and browsing and running small private servers and the thing is like the footprint of a cellphone with an i7 and 16gb of RAM. why the gently caress would I need two beefy pcs in the same fuckin case. what the gently caress is wrong with people

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



TheAgent posted:

why the hell would you ever need a dual systems case anyway

I bought a intel NUC for light office work and browsing and running small private servers and the thing is like the footprint of a cellphone with an i7 and 16gb of RAM. why the gently caress would I need two beefy pcs in the same fuckin case. what the gently caress is wrong with people

more money than sense

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
I'm in agreement that Agile is crap.
Standups aren't supposed to be status meetings, but they inevitably are.
Sprint review meetings are mostly worthless because the stakeholders don't care.
Sprint retrospectives are the most pointless of all. If something good or bad needs to be addressed, just do it normally through the course of the day. Forcing out x number of 'things to keep doing' and 'things to stop doing' is ridiculous.
Stories and story points are the worst. I hate them completely.

I think this is exactly what PederP is talking about. There's so much cruft and crap surrounding Agile that is just slapped on as a bandaid to corporate process that it solves nothing. Let's say that there's some magical 'proper' way of applying Agile and it is good. Who cares? Agile is still bad overall if 95% of its usage in the corporate world is done wrong. If it can lend itself that easily to poor implementation then it cannot be a good methodology.

What we do
Project manager (or whatever their title is) decides on priorities based on what our clients need etc. and creates top level items in JIRA in prioritized order.
Stuff gets picked for development and the developer working on the item will create more detailed individual tasks that get estimated etc. and then they do the tasks in a feature branch.
We cut releases every wednesday and whatever made it into the develop branch before that release is cut is what's in the release.
We do do a meeting every morning but it literally is only checking if anyone is blocked on something. I have yet to have it go over 3 minutes long. I could live without it, but it's ok.

There's some more stuff around bugs and tech debt but that's pretty much it.
We used to do more 'by-the-book' agile and it was pointless garbage. I guess this is basically some kind of Kanban? Anyway, it's very nice to work with and meeting time has dropped by like 90%.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
Anyway, how 'bout that Star Citizen game. I hear the pipelines are really coming along.

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard


https://twitter.com/real_lethality/status/1023004564272889857
https://twitter.com/real_lethality/status/1021490176298811393
https://twitter.com/real_lethality/status/1023163651807698944

JugbandDude
Jul 19, 2016

Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun

Shine on you crazy diamond!
Looks like CCP is working on a new MMO.

Whether it's in space or not, it will probably be out before Star Citizen.

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
banditloaf is currently authoring an agonizing play-by-play of softcore porn found in the wing commander series

I wish I was loving joking

boviscopophobic
Feb 5, 2016

TheAgent posted:

why the hell would you ever need a dual systems case anyway

I bought a intel NUC for light office work and browsing and running small private servers and the thing is like the footprint of a cellphone with an i7 and 16gb of RAM. why the gently caress would I need two beefy pcs in the same fuckin case. what the gently caress is wrong with people

It's a revolutionary technology called front end client mesh tech, that will allow a set of client systems in the same case to mesh a lot more processing power in what will essentially be a single computation.

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



TheAgent posted:

banditloaf is currently authoring an agonizing play-by-play of softcore porn found in the wing commander series

I wish I was loving joking

please don't spoiler love pledge

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Yeah, the first porn scene to have a bulldozer. Not out of some sick twisted minds. But out of necessity.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Fidelitious posted:

I'm in agreement that Agile is crap.
Standups aren't supposed to be status meetings, but they inevitably are.
Sprint review meetings are mostly worthless because the stakeholders don't care.
Sprint retrospectives are the most pointless of all. If something good or bad needs to be addressed, just do it normally through the course of the day. Forcing out x number of 'things to keep doing' and 'things to stop doing' is ridiculous.
Stories and story points are the worst. I hate them completely.

I think this is exactly what PederP is talking about. There's so much cruft and crap surrounding Agile that is just slapped on as a bandaid to corporate process that it solves nothing. Let's say that there's some magical 'proper' way of applying Agile and it is good. Who cares? Agile is still bad overall if 95% of its usage in the corporate world is done wrong. If it can lend itself that easily to poor implementation then it cannot be a good methodology.

What we do
Project manager (or whatever their title is) decides on priorities based on what our clients need etc. and creates top level items in JIRA in prioritized order.
Stuff gets picked for development and the developer working on the item will create more detailed individual tasks that get estimated etc. and then they do the tasks in a feature branch.
We cut releases every wednesday and whatever made it into the develop branch before that release is cut is what's in the release.
We do do a meeting every morning but it literally is only checking if anyone is blocked on something. I have yet to have it go over 3 minutes long. I could live without it, but it's ok.

There's some more stuff around bugs and tech debt but that's pretty much it.
We used to do more 'by-the-book' agile and it was pointless garbage. I guess this is basically some kind of Kanban? Anyway, it's very nice to work with and meeting time has dropped by like 90%.

Yeah that's basically kanban which is basically just optimized agile by not dumb people.

Sprint retros are indeed dumb imo. Standups are super useful though.

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard






Trilobite
Aug 15, 2001

Jobbo_Fett posted:

The best games let you kill your entire party before the game even started. Twice.

...so Traveler was the best game, huh?


("Many people die before they ever even get a spaceship, but eventually a team of senior citizens with major disabilities can go out for adventures in space using some super-janky mechanics" is kind of a best-case scenario for how Star Citizen could work out, actually. Whoever holds the Traveler license should look into collecting a royalty if that ever happens.)

Nyast
Nov 14, 2017

BLAZING AT THE
SPEED OF LIGHT

TheAgent posted:

I can't be stupid, I have money. look at how many fans I have. would a stupid person have this many fans, or this much money?

didn't think so, gently caress off

Well he can't get fans for his stream, so he put fans in his case so that he can stream and get more fans.

Wasn't that clear ?

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006







:allears:

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard
https://twitter.com/giogetmoneyTV/status/1022913327343779840
https://twitter.com/giogetmoneyTV/status/1022977173207097344

bbchops
Jul 26, 2001

Ho ho ho! I'll have the same again!
Nap Ghost
Agile the product is bad, agile the process is good.

Star Citizen is beyond adjectives.

Mr.Tophat
Apr 7, 2007

You clearly don't understand joke development :justpost:
It's been two weeks, where's my loving space farm

monkeytek
Jun 8, 2010

It wasn't an ELE that wiped out the backer funds. It was Tristan Timothy Taylor.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
*cackles uncontrollably*

Mr.Tophat
Apr 7, 2007

You clearly don't understand joke development :justpost:

TheAgent posted:

banditloaf is currently authoring an agonizing play-by-play of softcore porn found in the wing commander series

I wish I was loving joking

Art imitates impossible things like spaceships, spacelions, and getting laid

Garbage fire fiction also apes these things

Drunk Theory
Aug 20, 2016


Oven Wrangler

Year one of development on the networking on their space MMO everyone.

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
early days motherfuckers

early days

Dogeh
Aug 30, 2017

ShitMeter: -------------|- 99%

TheAgent posted:

I can't be stupid, I have money. look at how many fans I have. would a stupid person have this many fans, or this much money?

didn't think so, gently caress off

He's building a hovercraft.
A stupid manchild expensive one that won't get off the ground.
An analogy of CIG.

Oh and Vertischky, :justpost:

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TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
even jesus christ's followers didn't have this kind of faith in him

this dudes will be sitting around twitter for years waiting for star citizen to rise from its development grave, even as chris roberts rides swiftly away on a limited edition donkey with their 27,000 pieces of silver

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