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Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004

STR posted:

UPS drivers still carry them. They're not allowed to use GPS of any kind - standalone, or phone based.

Why not? I'd have assumed that UPS would have have a GPS system as part of the delivery truck, linked to their package system, to optimize each driver's route.

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Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Craptacular posted:

Why not? I'd have assumed that UPS would have have a GPS system as part of the delivery truck, linked to their package system, to optimize each driver's route.

I would assume insurance liability. Same reason most GPS units and software make you agree to not use them while driving.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



xzzy posted:

But they have special training to allow them to use computers and phones while on duty!

The real surprise in that video is a cyclist that stopped at a stop sign and waited for traffic to clear.

Oh good we haven’t had a cyclist derail in awhile.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Whenever I go somewhere I'm not familiar with, I usually check the route on Google Maps, mostly to get a good, rough idea of how to get there. The big advantage of this is you know right away how long you'll be on major highways and such. I then use my GPS for more granular details.

Works well so far :shrug:

big crush on Chad OMG posted:

Oh good we haven’t had a cyclist derail in awhile.

The worst ones are the ones that don't hand signal :v:

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


iospace posted:

The worst ones are the ones that don't hand signal :v:

People glued to their phones, weaving all over the place.

That goes for literally everyone though, not just cyclists.

KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jul 30, 2018

RollsRoyce
Feb 11, 2018

by FactsAreUseless
Oh no I read the comments

quote:

That officer, Chuck Wallace is the one of the best cops I've ever met in my life, and it's sucks that this happened to him, one fluke in his career, you're fine your bike is fine and you cocksucker cyclists run around not obeying ANY road laws so I don't feel bad for your bitch rear end, buy a Harley human being

JUST IGNORING THE FACT THAT YOU JUST WATCHED A VIDEO OF THIS GUY FOLLOWING THE LAW TO THE POINT WHERE HE STAYED AT A STOP SIGN WHILE BEING RUN DOWN BY THIS FINE GENTLEMAN

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


quote:

buy a Harley human being

You can buy those? :confused:

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



KozmoNaut posted:

You can buy those? :confused:

I’m sure there is a nice man named Harley out there.

iospace posted:

Whenever I go somewhere I'm not familiar with, I usually check the route on Google Maps, mostly to get a good, rough idea of how to get there. The big advantage of this is you know right away how long you'll be on major highways and such. I then use my GPS for more granular details.

Works well so far :shrug:


The worst ones are the ones that don't hand signal :v:

Nobody has a clue what hand signals mean anyway.

Adiabatic
Nov 18, 2007

What have you assholes done now?

RollsRoyce posted:

Oh no I read the comments

Why would you do this, you fool.

RollsRoyce
Feb 11, 2018

by FactsAreUseless

Adiabatic posted:

Why would you do this, you fool.

I can't help it, I have to look. I have vision damage from looking at a welding torch across a room as a teenager, I never learn

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

RollsRoyce posted:

I can't help it, I have to look. I have vision damage from looking at a welding torch across a room as a teenager, I never learn

Heh. poo poo like that is probably what is going to do me in all back in the days of a teenager.

Parts washer no gloves with who knows what. No problem.

Here, spray this wagon JD green without a mask. OK. Then spend the next three days blowing out JD green boogers.

Welding, as you say.

Used oil...oh boy.

List goes on and on.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Colostomy Bag posted:

Heh. poo poo like that is probably what is going to do me in all back in the days of a teenager.

Parts washer no gloves with who knows what. No problem.

Here, spray this wagon JD green without a mask. OK. Then spend the next three days blowing out JD green boogers.

Welding, as you say.

Used oil...oh boy.

List goes on and on.

I dread to think what you did as a teenager that caused your forums name.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

spog posted:

I dread to think what you did as a teenager that caused your forums name.

The shop teacher had big hands. :negative:

Goober Peas
Jun 30, 2007

Check out my 'Vette, bro


Fisticuffs

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Life was a lot simpler back then.

Funny thing is I learned more during it then most classes.

But in modern times most would think "nuke it from orbit".

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe
Saw a flat black brodozer this afternoon, with a decal across the rear window that said "FREEDOM THROUGH WORK". Is that, like, some innocent thing I'm misinterpreting? Cause with that wording it set off my :godwin: alarm something fierce.

BitBasher
Jun 6, 2004

You've got to know the rules before you can break 'em. Otherwise, it's no fun.


Phy posted:

Saw a flat black brodozer this afternoon, with a decal across the rear window that said "FREEDOM THROUGH WORK". Is that, like, some innocent thing I'm misinterpreting? Cause with that wording it set off my :godwin: alarm something fierce.

Yeah, pretty much just an Arbeit Macht Frei reference. Whether he thinks it is or not. (He does)

Ornamental Dingbat
Feb 26, 2007

Craptacular posted:

Why not? I'd have assumed that UPS would have have a GPS system as part of the delivery truck, linked to their package system, to optimize each driver's route.

I used to run a package car operation for UPS and the most certainly have GPS in the vehicles tied to their DIADs which can provide directions to their next stop.

A driver with 25 stops has something like 15 trillion trillion different routing options to choose from- most drivers are expected to make around 120 deliveries a day and their peddles are planned by an algorithm the night before. Deviation off route by more than a mile is a big deal so no, nothing that isn't hard wired to the vehicles ECM and feeding delicious analytics back to the home office.

edit: meant to quote the other guy, agreeing with you

Beach Bum
Jan 13, 2010
In the newspaper business we have a service called Routesmart that generates directions for a route on a daily basis, though it uses a set sequence from day to day. Whenever I'm stumped for tweaking a manual sequence, I have it recalculate the whole route, returning a sequence for between 100-500 deliveries. Every time I hit that button I imagine a bank of supercomputers getting jacked up to 100% for a minute or two.

Traveling Salesman problem is a computational nightmare, from what I've read.

Beach Bum fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Jul 31, 2018

Adiabatic
Nov 18, 2007

What have you assholes done now?
I just took a class called Cluster Parallel Computing that teaches you the popular algorithms for structural truss analysis and routefinding. Yes, can confirm it is a nightmare.

Saukkis
May 16, 2003

Unless I'm on the inside curve pointing straight at oncoming traffic the high beams stay on and I laugh at your puny protest flashes.
I am Most Important Man. Most Important Man in the World.

Ornamental Dingbat posted:

I used to run a package car operation for UPS and the most certainly have GPS in the vehicles tied to their DIADs which can provide directions to their next stop.

UPS even has a special routing algorithm that avoids left turns.

The Science Behind Why UPS Trucks Avoid Making Left Turns

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Beach Bum posted:

In the newspaper business we have a service called Routesmart that generates directions for a route on a daily basis, though it uses a set sequence from day to day. Whenever I'm stumped for tweaking a manual sequence, I have it recalculate the whole route, returning a sequence for between 100-500 deliveries. Every time I hit that button I imagine a bank of supercomputers getting jacked up to 100% for a minute or two.

Traveling Salesman problem is a computational nightmare, from what I've read.
Heuristic approximations are pretty good nowadays, trading off a few % from the optimal solution for much, much faster results. But getting the exact best solution is a pain, yeah.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.


The officer is currently "on paid leave pending the outcome of [an] investigation."

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/video-shows-peculiar-officer-strike-bicyclist

Also:

"'I think if we maybe had sidewalks people trying to stay active and want to be outside, walking, running, biking could have another option. So far we don’t have that,' said Misty Weaver who lives nearby."

Ah yes, a sidewalk, the perfect place for a 200-pound road vehicle going 20 mph. So many people hear "bicycle" and think "eight-year-old toddling up and down the block on training wheels"...

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

:jpmf:
A better match than "200 lbs @20 mph" and "3000 lbs @45 mph".

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

If infrastructure improvements are being suggested as The Best Solution(tm), sidewalks ain't what they want. Cities should start planning to widen all roads to create bike lanes, maybe segregated with curbing to keep cars off them.

But good loving luck getting anyone with the clout or money to pull it off.


Or we could implement stricter licensing standards for drivers and shift the culture to willingly share the roads that do exist. But nahhhhhh.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


xzzy posted:

If infrastructure improvements are being suggested as The Best Solution(tm), sidewalks ain't what they want. Cities should start planning to widen all roads to create bike lanes, maybe segregated with curbing to keep cars off them.

But good loving luck getting anyone with the clout or money to pull it off.


Or we could implement stricter licensing standards for drivers and shift the culture to willingly share the roads that do exist. But nahhhhhh.

My city has a master bike path corridor plan to tie the city with adjacent regional bike paths and all our construction projects include bike facilities. From the one’s we’ve done there’s a couple of die hard bike commuters around here that abhor the idea of bike lanes (adjacent or separated) and insist on biking on the road (tbf they’re geared for it and have good bikes) but aside from that bike lines are just the bonus from road dieting.

builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.

xzzy posted:

If infrastructure improvements are being suggested as The Best Solution(tm), sidewalks ain't what they want. Cities should start planning to widen all roads to create bike lanes, maybe segregated with curbing to keep cars off them.

But good loving luck getting anyone with the clout or money to pull it off.


Or we could implement stricter licensing standards for drivers and shift the culture to willingly share the roads that do exist. But nahhhhhh.

I don't know about licensing standards, but as someone who has walked, ridden and drove over this bridge, protected bike lanes own.
https://vimeo.com/164776706

Fo3
Feb 14, 2004

RAAAAARGH!!!! GIFT CARDS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!!!!

(I need a hug)
sidewalks and bike lanes are socialism because those users don't pay. gently caress, infrastructure is socialism in general unless someone makes a profit out of it and no chance unless in the NE or NW coastal cities because the rest of your country is dumb on this.
Just ride or drive get hit and sue. FYGM.

Fo3 fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jul 31, 2018

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Powered Descent posted:

The officer is currently "on paid leave pending the outcome of [an] investigation."

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/video-shows-peculiar-officer-strike-bicyclist

Also:

"'I think if we maybe had sidewalks people trying to stay active and want to be outside, walking, running, biking could have another option. So far we don’t have that,' said Misty Weaver who lives nearby."

Ah yes, a sidewalk, the perfect place for a 200-pound road vehicle going 20 mph. So many people hear "bicycle" and think "eight-year-old toddling up and down the block on training wheels"...

Plus you’d get hoarse from screaming, “ON YOUR LEFT!!!!” at every moron who doesn’t know how to use a mixed uses trail/sidewalk.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

I walked the Golden Gate bridge last month. It was basically taking your life into your hands as cyclists basically outnumbered pedestrians and 95%+ of those were all rentals, probably haven't ridden a bicycle in 30 years and were swerving all over the place, riding on the right and gave no fucks. It was literally the exception to see someone riding properly and saw more than one collision because people riding their bikes just stopped wherever and promptly got rear-ended by other people that don't know how to ride.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


big crush on Chad OMG posted:

Plus you’d get hoarse from screaming, “ON YOUR LEFT!!!!” at every moron who doesn’t know how to use a mixed uses trail/sidewalk.

if I had a dollar for every time I saw an idiot walking on the left side of a mixed use trail...

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

My city has a master bike path corridor plan to tie the city with adjacent regional bike paths and all our construction projects include bike facilities. From the one’s we’ve done there’s a couple of die hard bike commuters around here that abhor the idea of bike lanes (adjacent or separated) and insist on biking on the road (tbf they’re geared for it and have good bikes) but aside from that bike lines are just the bonus from road dieting.

There seems to be a vocal minority of bikers whose primary joy in life comes from functioning as rolling roadblocks and obstructing motor vehicle traffic. Separate bike paths would take this joy away. Why would you do this to them?

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches
the only acceptable minorities to oppress?

:shrug:

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

iospace posted:

if I had a dollar for every time I saw an idiot walking on the left side of a mixed use trail...

What if said idiot was walking towards you?

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Fo3 posted:

sidewalks and bike lanes are socialism because those users don't pay. gently caress, infrastructure is socialism in general unless someone makes a profit out of it and no chance unless in the NE or NW coastal cities because the rest of your country is dumb on this.
Just ride or drive get hit and sue. FYGM.

Minneapolis would like a word with you.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Colostomy Bag posted:

What if said idiot was walking towards you?

They'd still be walking on the left?

Goober Peas
Jun 30, 2007

Check out my 'Vette, bro


Trail mix

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches
muerte had everything all figured out

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire

Craptacular posted:

There seems to be a vocal minority of bikers whose primary joy in life comes from functioning as rolling roadblocks and obstructing motor vehicle traffic. Separate bike paths would take this joy away. Why would you do this to them?

It depends on the path. I frequently ride in the road instead of the bike path or lane because they seem less safe to me. For example, in our downtown the bike lanes are next to the sidewalk on the other side of parked cars for a few blocks. That means doors opening into it, people standing around and walking in it and across it, cars pulling in and out of driveways and parking lots and blocking the lane. And then at the intersections the bike lane cuts out from behind parked cars. To me it just seems unsafe compared to being in the lane where I can pretty much go the speed of traffic and am much more visible to turning cars.

And then too many "bike paths" are just glorified sidewalks. You have to dodge slow moving people of all sorts, which means frequently slowing down and having to get someone's attention when they are meandering along listening to music on headphones. And then every driveway and cross street is a crosswalk that cars love to go across without checking or stop in while waiting to turn onto the main road. I only ride a new path near me in the uphill direction when I'm going up to the trailhead on my mountain bike because I'm not going very fast. On the way back down, I'm going 30-40 mph which is completely inappropriate for the path and barely slower than traffic on a quiet, dead end road. Yet I still get honked and yelled at on a regular basis by the literally only other vehicle in sight.

In another case, the path is next to a busy 4 lane highway and there are few cross streets and driveways so it's great and i use it all the time, as do many others.

So anyway, if bike facilities are well thought out and safe and convenient more people will use them and everyone wins. If not, bikes don't use them and drivers get more upset than they otherwise would. Personally I'm fine with a good shoulder or bike lane and don't need my own path, but there are a lot of people who would ride instead of drive if they didn't have to get out into traffic.

jamal fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Jul 31, 2018

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Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


jamal posted:

It depends on the path. I frequently ride in the road instead of the bike path or lane because they seem less safe to me. For example, in our downtown the bike lanes are next to the sidewalk on the other side of parked cars for a few blocks. That means doors opening into it, people standing around and walking in it and across it, cars pulling in and out of driveways and parking lots and blocking the lane. And then at the intersections the bike lane cuts out from behind parked cars. To me it just seems unsafe compared to being in the lane where I can pretty much go the speed of traffic and am much more visible to turning cars.

And then too many "bike paths" are just glorified sidewalks. You have to dodge slow moving people of all sorts, which means frequently slowing down and having to get someone's attention when they are meandering along listening to music on headphones. And then every driveway and cross street is a crosswalk that cars love to go across without checking or stop in while waiting to turn onto the main road. I only ride a new path near me in the uphill direction when I'm going up to the trailhead on my mountain bike because I'm not going very fast. On the way back down, I'm going 30-40 mph which is completely inappropriate for the path and barely slower than traffic on a quiet, dead end road. Yet I still get honked and yelled at on a regular basis by the literally only other vehicle in sight.

So anyway, if bike facilities are well thought out and safe and convenient more people will use them and everyone wins. If not, bikes don't use them and drivers get more upset than they otherwise would. Personally I'm fine with a good shoulder or bike lane and don't need my own path, but there are a lot of people who would ride instead of drive if they didn't have to get out into traffic.

Every time I accidentally strayed into a bike path on foot in Amsterdam, the locals were very polite about it but also very firm that "not even the rear end in a top hat locals walk in the bike lane, DONT DO IT"

e: then again their bike lanes are also for mopeds and scooters so :shrug:

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