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Kenzie posted:Better to just run with it, go full evil, play the CSA and see how far you can expand slavery in the western hemisphere. Expand into Latin America like they wanted to do IRL The funny thing is that despite Victoria being “19th century atrocity simulator”, you can’t actually do this because of the way the pop mechanics work. Slave pops are essentially “fixed”. I think they will grow with the birth rate but they can’t migrate and pops can’t promote into or out of the slave class. What this means is that the only places that will ever have slaves are places that start with them. When you choose to make a state into a slave state as the US, it affects the general mood of yankee and Dixie pops, but there won’t actually be any slaves in states that historically didn’t have them.
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ZombieLenin posted:Well, I wouldn’t really call them traitors since there was a very real (at the time) constitutional ambiguity about citizenship and states AND I think nationalism is bullshit and reject the notion that I, or anyone else owes allegiance to a nation or state because I was born in a specific geographic location. The Brits can call George Washington a traitor all they want. We won the war and could beat them up again if we want to so they prob shouldn’t tho.
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ZombieLenin posted:Well, I wouldn’t really call them traitors since there was a very real (at the time) constitutional ambiguity about citizenship and states AND I think nationalism is bullshit and reject the notion that I, or anyone else owes allegiance to a nation or state because I was born in a specific geographic location. 
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Senor Dog posted:The Brits can call George Washington a traitor all they want. We won the war and could beat them up again if we want to so they prob shouldn’t tho. The war of 1812 doesn’t count or?
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ZombieLenin posted:Well, I wouldn’t really call them traitors since there was a very real (at the time) constitutional ambiguity about citizenship and states AND I think nationalism is bullshit and reject the notion that I, or anyone else owes allegiance to a nation or state because I was born in a specific geographic location. A traitor's only allowed to rise above the label of treason if they win, which the CSA very much did not. They all got off easy when they all got pardoned and the reconstruction got junked so that they could go off and construct their own version of history and freely develop ways to crush the newly free blacks into submission, the least they deserve is to be called traitors. Ambiguity in the constitution or not (mostly not), there's nothing ambiguous about the decision to shoot guns at the people who share the same language, history, family, and everything else, just because somebody got elected who wanted to cool off on treating human beings as animals. I don't know exactly what your hangups on nationalism are, but I'd rather deal with being obligated to, and free to move around within the whole of the United States rather than be subject to the whims of the local aristocracy of Missouri or some poo poo like that. CharlestheHammer posted:The war of 1812 doesn’t count or? That one kinda stalemated.
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If you don't care about them being traitors to America, which I don't, then you can care about them being traitors to basic human decency of "don't perpetuate chattel slavery".
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SlothfulCobra posted:A traitor's only allowed to rise above the label of treason if they win, which the CSA very much did not. They all got off easy when they all got pardoned and the reconstruction got junked so that they could go off and construct their own version of history and freely develop ways to crush the newly free blacks into submission, the least they deserve is to be called traitors. Ambiguity in the constitution or not (mostly not), there's nothing ambiguous about the decision to shoot guns at the people who share the same language, history, family, and everything else, just because somebody got elected who wanted to cool off on treating human beings as animals. Lol the war of 1812 only stalemated in the sense the British did not give a gently caress about it and still dominated.
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Betraying the United States of America is a cool thing that people should do more often but only when it's betraying them in favor of a good enemy like the Soviet Union and not an even worse enemy like a bunch of slave-holding white supremacists.
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In conclusion, treason is a land of contrasts.
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Crazycryodude posted:Betraying the United States of America is a cool thing that people should do more often but only when it's betraying them in favor of a good enemy like the Soviet Union and not an even worse enemy like a bunch of slave-holding white supremacists. Hmm, true, the Soviet Union is noted for its complete lack of forced labor and genocide. I think we've found the guy that programmed the Great Purge decision in HOI
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Phlegmish posted:Hmm, true, the Soviet Union is noted for its complete lack of forced labor and genocide. The SU didn’t do forced labor by race but by lack of national spirit. A pretty big distinction.
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Nosfereefer posted:I hope they make the Purge even better in the next patch. This except Trotskyism instead
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The purge message when you take is just Stalin smiling and the text is talking about how cool and good purges are and you’d have to be a dumbass not to do it But like more flowery.
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CharlestheHammer posted:The SU didn’t do forced labor by race but by lack of national spirit. I guess the Ukrainians, Chechens, Kalmyks and 99% of foreign communists probably did lack national spirit
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Phlegmish posted:I guess the Ukrainians, Chechens, Kalmyks and 99% of foreign communists probably did lack national spirit Right spirit, wrong nationality.
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Phlegmish posted:I guess the Ukrainians, Chechens, Kalmyks and 99% of foreign communists probably did lack national spirit Yeah probably.
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I also wish for some more antikulakism. Was there much antikulakism left by the late 30's? I can't remember. I just want to buddy up with good ol' Uncle Joe and spread antikulak propaganda. And then run around the countryside repressing peasant farmers instead.
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Defending your ancestor's treason to continue to own other human beings as property by stating that rebelling from Britain is technically treason is basically peak Paradox forums, so we did it, guys.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I feel like peak paradox forum involves some sort of Slavic country.
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ZombieLenin posted:Well, I wouldn’t really call them traitors since there was a very real (at the time) constitutional ambiguity about citizenship and states AND I think nationalism is bullshit and reject the notion that I, or anyone else owes allegiance to a nation or state because I was born in a specific geographic location. 
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Poil posted:Not Byzantium lead by Hitler? Adolf Hitler leads Communist Nahuatl Byzantium to conquer the entire world, then shoots himself. Also a lot of jokes about mana / kebab / baguette
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CharlestheHammer posted:The war of 1812 doesn’t count or? IDK, how about you tell me how it's related to benny franklin and tommy jefferson bein traitors
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Was really excited when I saw a whole new page of posts in this thread. Thought that maybe we were talking about the lastest I:R dev diary or something. Well if you want a break from the current topic, here's some progress on my north america post-apoc mod:  (Dont mind the pale red areas, those are reminders to finish a thing.) Almost have the Mississippi river basin completed. Still need to finish the Wabash and Missouri river systems to complete it. Tiny twisty rivers are a real pain in the rear end to draw. I hope someone plays the mod one day and takes a moment to appreciate that.
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ExtraNoise posted:Was really excited when I saw a whole new page of posts in this thread. Thought that maybe we were talking about the lastest I:R dev diary or something. I can appreciate it now, and your map makes me hard
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Kenzie posted:Better to just run with it, go full evil, play the CSA and see how far you can expand slavery in the western hemisphere. Expand into Latin America like they wanted to do IRL Yeah I did a full Golden Circle run once and it was a lot of fun. Evil as gently caress, and fun. I can play strategy games involving the deaths of thousands to billions (World Cracker  ) without trouble but trying to pick the mean dialog in an RPG is more than I can bear, lolThose rivers are some twisty-rear end works of art ExtraNoise!
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ExtraNoise posted:Was really excited when I saw a whole new page of posts in this thread. Thought that maybe we were talking about the lastest I:R dev diary or something. The only thing more boring than a dev diary that just lists a bunch of things is a map for some guys mod that he can’t even start making for a year. That said, I do hope you make it. it looks fun.
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ExtraNoise posted:Was really excited when I saw a whole new page of posts in this thread. Thought that maybe we were talking about the lastest I:R dev diary or something. I'm going to play your mod and cuss you out for all these tiny loving rivers that make it so I can't tell if I'm getting a crossing penalty!!
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No one going with stellaris for 'best/worst paradox atrocities', huh? I mean, aside from destroying entire planets, you can turn entire civilizations into mindless slaves, or livestock.
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Wolfechu posted:No one going with stellaris for 'best/worst paradox atrocities', huh? I mean, aside from destroying entire planets, you can turn entire civilizations into mindless slaves, or livestock. Stellaris atrocities are a lot less visceral than other Paradox atrocities (at least to me) because A. they're against cultures that do not, did not, and will not actually exist in real life, and B. the nature of the atrocities are for the most part things that have not happened in human history and are not possible given human technology
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Senor Dog posted:The only thing more boring than a dev diary that just lists a bunch of things is a map for some guys mod that he can’t even start making for a year. I mean, Paradox games are basically watching maps and pressing buttons to change maps in your ideal way 
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I didn't manage to get a screenshot since my game crashed right after I noticed, but I had an entire 3 person slave pop in my country that was 50% pro-slavery  .For all the jank I love Vicky 2 for little nonsensical things like that.
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It's your country's BDSM scene.
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Wolfechu posted:No one going with stellaris for 'best/worst paradox atrocities', huh? I mean, aside from destroying entire planets, you can turn entire civilizations into mindless slaves, or livestock.
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Don Gato posted:I didn't manage to get a screenshot since my game crashed right after I noticed, but I had an entire 3 person slave pop in my country that was 50% pro-slavery One's for, one's against, one's not sure one way or another.
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