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Elfgames posted:Weird i figure i'd be fired if i was caught "giving the pickle" while at work i guess you corporate people just live in a whole different world. "What about the pickle slicer??" "They fired her, too." dad joke snipe
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Howard Beale posted:That FISH philosophy bullshit is dreamed up and revered by the same HR types who cheerfully use "drink the Kool-Aid" as if it were a positive thing One time the project manager of a team I was helping out on playfully got me a packet of kool-aid cuz I had officially been "inducted" onto her team. I responded with "um actually Jonestown used Flavor-Aid" cuz I'm an enormous dork 
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I was denied unemployment after getting laid off from a full time job because I was taking a single college class while working full time. The unemployment people actually told me that I would have to withdraw from my class in the middle of the semester in order to be eligible for unemployment benefits or else I'm just a 'student'.
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I've been going to interviews for a marketing company recently, they explained that they had a new HQ and are looking for people who can manage the new expansions etc. After inviting me back twice because I 'progressed to the next interview stage', they have revealed that the work will be door to door fundraising. I need my own business number because I will be hired as an independent contractor, and the pay is 100% commission so I might make zero dollars in a bad week. I get the feeling that they have very fast turnover, but I can't afford to be picky right now because I've had no other job offers. e: Also, the HR person who set up my interview referred to the guy who interviewed me by the wrong name, he was an asian man, and based on their business facebook page she is in a few photos with another asian guy, so it suddenly feels like everyone is very replaceable and it isn't worth learning names. TheMostFrench has issued a correction as of 08:34 on Jul 31, 2018 |
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TheMostFrench posted:I've been going to interviews for a marketing company recently, they explained that they had a new HQ and are looking for people who can manage the new expansions etc. After inviting me back twice because I 'progressed to the next interview stage', they have revealed that the work will be door to door fundraising. I need my own business number because I will be hired as an independent contractor, and the pay is 100% commission so I might make zero dollars in a bad week. I get the feeling that they have very fast turnover, but I can't afford to be picky right now because I've had no other job offers. Get out, it's not worth it. If you don't you'll wind up in the same situation in 1-2 months time with a whole load of additional stress as a bonus.
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TheMostFrench posted:I've been going to interviews for a marketing company recently, they explained that they had a new HQ and are looking for people who can manage the new expansions etc. After inviting me back twice because I 'progressed to the next interview stage', they have revealed that the work will be door to door fundraising. I need my own business number because I will be hired as an independent contractor, and the pay is 100% commission so I might make zero dollars in a bad week. I get the feeling that they have very fast turnover, but I can't afford to be picky right now because I've had no other job offers. Welcome to Cutco.
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Rarity posted:Get out, it's not worth it. If you don't you'll wind up in the same situation in 1-2 months time with a whole load of additional stress as a bonus. I got scooped into one of these scams a few years back, it's very likely that the product they want you to sell doesn't even exist and their company is nothing but a front to take as many people off jobseekers as possible and pocketing the gov't bonus for doing so, about a year after the DWP asked me to be a witness against them.
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TheMostFrench posted:I've been going to interviews for a marketing company recently, they explained that they had a new HQ and are looking for people who can manage the new expansions etc. After inviting me back twice because I 'progressed to the next interview stage', they have revealed that the work will be door to door fundraising. I need my own business number because I will be hired as an independent contractor, and the pay is 100% commission so I might make zero dollars in a bad week. I get the feeling that they have very fast turnover, but I can't afford to be picky right now because I've had no other job offers. You would be better off applying to McDonalds and working your way up to managerial position than being a literal door-to-door 100% commission salesman.
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Len posted:Huh that's illegal? Every place I've worked has stressed that it's against policy to ever tell your coworkers how much you make. Pssst, they were lying to him. He actually gets paid less.
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Pound_Coin posted:I got scooped into one of these scams a few years back, it's very likely that the product they want you to sell doesn't even exist and their company is nothing but a front to take as many people off jobseekers as possible and pocketing the gov't bonus for doing so, about a year after the DWP asked me to be a witness against them. This is amazing
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Away all Goats posted:You would be better off applying to McDonalds and working your way up to managerial position than being a literal door-to-door 100% commission salesman. How is poo poo like this even legal when there's the minimum wage?
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Rarity posted:How is poo poo like this even legal when there's the minimum wage? The magic words are independent contractor which means you're an employee but also you have literally zero legal rights. You also get to pay the government tax at the end of the year instead of getting a refund.
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Well it's no big deal because they said they would call me back after today's interview if I was 'successful'. Since they haven't I guess I wasn't, maybe because when they asked me what kind of things I was looking for I thought of this thread and said 'job security'.
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Pirate Radar posted:This is amazing The place I went through was selling "cleaning services" to estate agents and the like, they were taking on a minimum of 30 people each week, I spoke to a couple of people there that I knew from the JSA group previous to the referral, who did bother to go out and try to sell things (I didn't) and apparently they were getting chased out of every estate agent as soon as they opened their mouths because at least 20 other loving people had come in that same day
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Shima Honnou posted:The magic words are independent contractor which means you're an employee but also you have literally zero legal rights. This happened to my fiancee a few years ago. She took a job working as a pet groomer at a small vet clinic. Instead of filing her as an hourly employee, they 1099'd her. She didn't think it was a big deal so didn't tell me til tax time came around. She ended up owing like $800 in taxes and that was when I learned they'd filed her as "independent contractor" and told her that was total bullshit. The clinic owner apparently wouldn't budge on just making her an hourly employee so she ended up leaving for a different job.
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Holy gently caress "independent contracting" is the absolute worst bullshit. We had a telco that was privatized at the very tail end of the analog era, which has now been bought by Bell. It's been steadily getting shittier since privatization. Used to be they had a fleet of service vehicles, but I think now only the linesman have service vans and I think that's only because it would be impossible to force someone to buy a cherrypicker van. It's pretty clear the service techs are ~independent contractors~ now because they're using personal vehicles to get around. I can't imagine being forced to drive your own loving vehicle all day, every day instead of a fleet truck. You're actively taking a pay cut that way because of parts/maintenance. A fire alarm company in town tried to pull that poo poo too. Hired the guys on as contractors and then charged them to use the vans. One guy I know had his lovely never maintained van blow the engine in the first week and they tried to stiff him with the bill.
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It has it's place - there are actual small businesses that could use various abilities in a small capacity, or can bring in enough business to add a full time hand, but don't generate enough cash to support full benefits and the like Usually what happens though is scumbags aren't honest about it so they use it to take advantage of people and/or are unable to view their employees as human beings Crazyweasel has issued a correction as of 11:21 on Jul 31, 2018 |
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Pssst, they were lying to him. He actually gets paid less. Oh probably but at the same time I've worked enough places where people fresh off the street start higher than people who had been there for years it could go either way
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Crazyweasel posted:It has it's place - there are actual small businesses that could use various abilities in a small capacity, or can bring in enough business to add a full time hand, but don't generate enough cash to support full benefits and the like Yeah that's what it's supposed to be, but that's not what it is 99% of the time. That poo poo should be illegal. On that note, there's a taxi driver strike going on in Spain right now. They're protesting against Uber, demanding that they follow the loving law (the nerve!). Also they're blocking a lot of main streets. This is Barcelona:  And Madrid: 
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Len posted:And then you get things like my ex who flipped poo poo and got legitimately angry for days that I got a ten cent cost of living raise. My last job I was at I found out I was only a few thousand behind a lady who worked there a decade. Granted she got hired as the recession hit and I came in when things were picking up. But still it seems like most raises are only to keep pace with inflation so unless you've climbed the ladder you aren't going to be much better off from the new hires. The way raises went was bullshit too. Each product line had it's own engineering group and budget. So if you worked on a profitable product line you'd stand to get more in raises. My first raise was 5%. I asked around and the guy working on the most profitable line got 10% raise, another guy got 3%. The guy who got 3% worked on a low profit product line , the same one as the lady I mentioned. It was a high volume, low profit product but it promotes the brand and brings in customers. And it's not like you get to choose which group you join so it seemed unfair to base raises that way.
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Unsurprisingly, Uber in Europe is a lot less lovely than in the US. I use it a lot and chat with the drivers all the time so here it is how it works - to drive for Uber you must be employed with a company which has a contract with Uber. It can be a company operating hundreds of leased vehicles or a single dude with a P.O. box driving his own car, but all the drivers are employees with vacation time, health insurance, limited working hours and so on. You are also unable to drive longer than is deemed safe since the system is linked directly to the government servers and kicks you off when you reach the daily limit. That's EU-wide, as far as I know. In my country in particular, the people working for big companies make a bit less than average wage in winter and probably double in summer. The one-man-show companies are much better off, they make above average even in winter, and that is after taxes, car lease and expenses. Since the requirements for entry into this particular type of work are rather low - you need to have a driver's licence and take a short written test - it's not that unfair, especially not compared to horror stories I hear from the US. e: capitalism still sucks, though
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Elman posted:Yeah that's what it's supposed to be, but that's not what it is 99% of the time. That poo poo should be illegal. Cabs are exploitative and garbage businesses, yet somehow manage to be the good guys in the fight against Uber.
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TheMostFrench posted:Well it's no big deal because they said they would call me back after today's interview if I was 'successful'. Since they haven't I guess I wasn't, maybe because when they asked me what kind of things I was looking for I thought of this thread and said 'job security'. Sounds like they could benefit from a HMRC investigation as to whether they pay the national minimum wage. You can do a referral through the ACAS website.
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This really irks me. A previous employer of mine had an employee town hall thing to ask what kind of things we wanted from them. One big theme was education related benefits like tuition reimbursement, continuing education, and student loan assistance. A few months later they sent out an email about some presentations about some new education related benefits. Those benefits? First was a lovely online university(Might have been DeVry?) coming in to sell to us, not even a discount or anything, just straight up them advertising to us. The other was some very scammy feeling student loan consolidation company. In both cases they probably were actually making money and being paid to do so and calling them "benefits".
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Animated Nerd posted:I used to see this four or five times a day and it makes me mad every time. But not right now, we are on strike. No war but class war! Reading their lovely website reminds me of when a friend of mine got heavily into NLP. It’s a fascinating blend of pseudo-science, scamming people out of cash, and culty behaviour. I do wonder whether it’s based on their principles.
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Just out of a meeting with my department, where my bosses bosses boss, among other things, said that some people's stress and mental health states were being caused by a lack of commitment to the company. Because we haven't "bought in", that's why we're stressed? No, we're stressed because we're overworked as we should have been getting new staff but instead we've just been seeing people leave, and not being replaced, for 4 months now, and the rate of departure is increasing.
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SEX BURRITO posted:Reading their lovely website reminds me of when a friend of mine got heavily into NLP. It’s a fascinating blend of pseudo-science, scamming people out of cash, and culty behaviour. I do wonder whether it’s based on their principles. Are you talking about the "newd irection" kind of NLP or some other kind
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wilderthanmild posted:This really irks me. A previous employer of mine had an employee town hall thing to ask what kind of things we wanted from them. One big theme was education related benefits like tuition reimbursement, continuing education, and student loan assistance. A few months later they sent out an email about some presentations about some new education related benefits. lol this owns
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5500 forms were due last week for every company that offers a 401K, and you can get some valuable data from the disclosures Search - https://www.efast.dol.gov/portal/app/disseminatePublic?execution=e2s1 From Amazon's -  22,040 fired in 2017, all having worked there less than 3 years (the threshold for retirement vesting)
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wilderthanmild posted:This really irks me. A previous employer of mine had an employee town hall thing to ask what kind of things we wanted from them. One big theme was education related benefits like tuition reimbursement, continuing education, and student loan assistance. A few months later they sent out an email about some presentations about some new education related benefits. My company does some similar lovely things. They sent around a mail saying they would support anyone if they did a course in the local universities or colleges. Turns out 'support' is if the classes clash with your work shifts you can go on part time, and part time with the obvious reduction in wages. Aso means you can not get back onto full time afterwards. Ever. Oh, and they get to PR that they helped you. They don't spend a dime to help at all.
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Tetracube posted:https://splinternews.com/this-union-busting-manual-from-office-depot-is-really-s-1827792710 Reminded me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8ZSNDsz5vg
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Rarity posted:How is poo poo like this even legal when there's the minimum wage? some states have commission sales and servers with a separate minimum wage. Also I run a business and have a handful of employees but keep in mind, wage problems including getting underpaid, underreporting hours and such are handled by the states and especially in the south, those complaint departments have been crushed in size that they're almost 100% unable to actually enforce anything. For instance, if you're in a job paid under $15/hr and your company has no legitimate interest in being honest with their employees there's no real reason why they can't just shave your hours down here and there.
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EugeneJ posted:5500 forms were due last week for every company that offers a 401K, and you can get some valuable data from the disclosures Isn't Amazon one of those Mad Max workplaces where they cull the "bottom 10%" and everyone in the corporate office is out to knife each other to make sure they stay out of the bottom 10% and their enemies get put in it?
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