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SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

BlazetheInferno posted:

So, a random thought occurs.

That sidequest battle with Mom's Meowth vs the Alolan Meowth in Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon.

Can you lose that battle? What happens? I know the Alolan Meowth opens with Fake Out, then if you use Return second turn, you win and stuff happens. But what happens if you go for Thief or Pay Day?

Mom's Meowth is extremely powerful and can defeat all opponents regardless of what move it uses.

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oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

one punch meowth

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012

Get bashed, platonist!

Hammerite posted:

Sylveon is a species. Suggesting that it might "be trans" is like saying that owls might be trans. It is a category error; individuals may be cis or trans, not whole species.

I don’t understand why we are just dismissing the notion that owls are trans. I’ve never met an owl personally, so I can’t say with any confidence that cis owls are a thing.

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

Filthy Haiku posted:

We can't have anything can we?

Trans people saw a cute Pokemon with pride colors that grows with love and affection and thought it would be a fun and supportive meme. That's it; nothing more. :sigh:

Anyways, apparently motion controls aren't mandatory when playing let's go in handheld mode so that makes it slightly less undesirable to play in my eyes, but still pretty unappealing.

FWIW it seems to be only that one guy and Hammerite that has a problem with it.

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

Darkrai used Dream Eater!
It's super effective!


Hey so my Zygarde Giveaway has been slow as gently caress. Congrats to:
  • Silver Falcon
  • iospace
  • Blaze Dragon
  • Blaine the Train
for either trading pokemon to someone in need, or in iospace's case: running to Target to get a Tornadus / Thundurus code.
Blaze Dragon said on Discord that they already had used a code and I don't know if they passed theirs on or not (feel free to chime in, and I'll toss your spare out there, too)
but here are my remaining Shiny Zygarde codes for first come first serve:
A832 36RJ UZ92 QC7H
A832 36LE RKXE E4XX


I have five Thundurus / Tornadus codes that I'm gonna be busy thinking up a gimmick for today. Hopefully I'll have something by this evening for y'all.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
drat, I'm at work otherwise I'd grab one of those.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Kite Pride Worldwide posted:

Machamp has boxing trunks :laugh:


McDragon posted:

Yeah, spent a bit of time with wiktionary for the porygon one

to be honest "machamp wears swimming trunks" made me laugh far too much and then I just had to do a team. It did start off as a legitimate "can I make an elephant team" but then tree trunks popped into my head, machamp followed, and that was the end of that

was thinking of timburr too but I think that's a plank not a trunk and I already had two tree trunks

Okay that is SUPER clever, my hat goes off to you.

McDragon
Sep 11, 2007

Oh, while I remember, my Bank pass came up for renewal last week and I think I was an early adopter so people might want to check theirs.

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Okay that is SUPER clever, my hat goes off to you.

Thank you. Silly theme teams are fun to come up with sometimes.


Nth Doctor posted:

toothpaste dragons
A832 36RJ UZ92 QC7H

I got this one, thank you very much.

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

Playing through Crystal Clear and I'm wondering if this game would be great or terrible for speedrunning.
On one hand: non-linear, no event flags, you can easily overpower yourself early.
On the other hand: "Overpower yourself" means "Go to Mt. Silver and huck pokeballs until something sticks"
On the third hand: We'd get to see if you can solo a Pokemon game with an Arbok.

Hellioning
Jun 27, 2008

Nth Doctor posted:

A832 36LE RKXE E4XX

Took this one, thank you!

Solumin
Jan 11, 2013

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Okay that is SUPER clever, my hat goes off to you.

Yeah agreed this is great.

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll
This was such an iconic era

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

Darkrai used Dream Eater!
It's super effective!


less laughter posted:

This was such an iconic era



It's really too bad that Gen IV was annoying to play.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Nth Doctor posted:

It's really too bad that Gen IV was annoying to play.

And that it didn't want you playing with any of those until the postgame. Or with Fire-types, in general.

Of course, this goes entirely for DP, Platinum fixed a lot.

Thwack!
Aug 14, 2010

Ability: Shadow Tag
All the fire types got scared to switch in to the next gen with the introduction to Stealth Rocks

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll
Honestly what other Fire-types do you need when there's this HBIC

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


But why would you even pick that then Torterra exists?

TaurusOxford
Feb 10, 2009

Dad of the Year 2021

SirSamVimes posted:

But why would you even pick that then Torterra exists?

Cause grass type starters suck.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!
hot take the piplup line was the only good starter in gen 4

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

I won't stand for this slander. All the gen 4 starters are good.

TaurusOxford
Feb 10, 2009

Dad of the Year 2021

Bongo Bill posted:

I won't stand for this slander. All the gen 4 starters are good.

No - Torterra is trash. Scientific fact. :v:

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

TaurusOxford posted:

No - Torterra is trash. Scientific fact. :v:



I don't find any games after the physical/special split hard to go back to, both Platinum and HGSS are fantastic games to play. DP is absolute trash though.

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

Bongo Bill posted:

I won't stand for this slander. All the gen 4 starters are good.

the mythical "All Good" starter gen.........

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

It's real.

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll

oddium posted:

the mythical "All Good" starter gen.........

Gen III happened and was not a dream

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

only swampert is good from 3

charizard
feraligator
swampert
Torterra Infernape Empoleon
the snake
greninja
the owl and the tiger

yatta

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!
snivy is only good until it evolves. serperior would be good if it got a mega-evo with like pot leaf wings

TaurusOxford
Feb 10, 2009

Dad of the Year 2021

oddium posted:

the owl and the tiger are second place to Primarina

Hope you don't mind - I fixed your sentence error.

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice

TaurusOxford posted:

Hope you don't mind - I fixed your sentence error.

I can understand how someone might think Popplio is the worst of the three base forms. I can easily understand thinking Brionne is the worst of the three middle forms because it only shines in motion

but I actually cannot wrap my head around thinking Primarina isn't the best final form. On an intellectual level I get that different people have different tastes and it's all opinion and blah blah blah but my brain cannot fathom how any sane person could think decidueye or incineroar is better

I will die on this hill

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

it's because they're cuter + cooler op

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice

[x]

Silver Falcon
Dec 5, 2005

Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

Nth Doctor posted:

Hey so my Zygarde Giveaway has been slow as gently caress. Congrats to:
  • Silver Falcon
  • iospace
  • Blaze Dragon
  • Blaine the Train
for either trading pokemon to someone in need, or in iospace's case: running to Target to get a Tornadus / Thundurus code.
Blaze Dragon said on Discord that they already had used a code and I don't know if they passed theirs on or not (feel free to chime in, and I'll toss your spare out there, too)
but here are my remaining Shiny Zygarde codes for first come first serve:
A832 36RJ UZ92 QC7H
A832 36LE RKXE E4XX


I have five Thundurus / Tornadus codes that I'm gonna be busy thinking up a gimmick for today. Hopefully I'll have something by this evening for y'all.

Cheers! I somehow missed that you were even doing that so sudden Toothpaste Dragon code caught me off guard. You did a good thing. Thanks for the Toothpaste Dragon!


cheetah7071 posted:

I can understand how someone might think Popplio is the worst of the three base forms. I can easily understand thinking Brionne is the worst of the three middle forms because it only shines in motion

but I actually cannot wrap my head around thinking Primarina isn't the best final form. On an intellectual level I get that different people have different tastes and it's all opinion and blah blah blah but my brain cannot fathom how any sane person could think decidueye or incineroar is better

I will die on this hill

All the Alola starters are good. I will die on that hill.

Ms. Unsmiley
Feb 13, 2012

oddium posted:

only swampert is good from 3

charizard
feraligator
swampert
Torterra Infernape Empoleon
the snake
greninja
the owl and the tiger

yatta

good list but i think blastoise, venusaur, and typhlosion are all just as good

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013

He's been tapping into Aunt May's bank account!
Didn't I kill him with a HELICOPTER?
Gen 4 and 7 have perfect starters. Gen 1 too if youre feeling nostalgic.

2s are just accross the board decent. Everyone else is a debate

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice

cheetah7071 posted:

S++ Tier
Primarina

S+ Tier
Serperior
Delphox

S Tier
Charizard
Venusaur
Torterra
Empoleon
Greninja
Decidueye

A Tier
Blastoise
Infernape
Incineroar

B Tier
Meganium
Thyphlosion
Sceptile
Blaziken
Swampert

C Tier
Feraligatr
Emboar
Samurott
Chesnaught

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll

Silver Falcon posted:

Thanks for the Toothpaste Dragon!

Spearmint Snake

Ms. Unsmiley
Feb 13, 2012

delphox is trash. i will never evolve braixen

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

If we have starter wars for the next four months I'm closing this thread forever.

BlazetheInferno
Jun 6, 2015
I think Primarina is probably the best competitively, going by type alone due to Fairy being such a powerhouse type.

But in-game, it suffers due to the prevalence of poison types around, and the... comparative lack of dragons to murder. Granted, it can be helpful against Necrozma if you grind it to a high enough level to not get oneshot, and maybe the Totem Kommo-o, but IIRC he has Poison Jab, so uhh, beware.

Not sure who the best starter would be for in-game. Design-wise, I think I'm gonna have to go with Decidueye being my favorite, for a number of reasons.

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less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll

Crosspeice posted:

If we have starter wars for the next four months I'm closing this thread forever.

A new one will rise from its ashes instantly, like a fierce Ho-Oh.

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