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guns for tits posted:Do rich Christians think that passing a camel through the eye of a needle is the easiest poo poo ever? I'm not Christian, so forgive me if my interpretation of the New Testament is wrong, but I'm pretty sure Jesus wasn't too big a fan of the very wealthy. My favorite part of the history of Christendom is when Catholicism comes crashing down the moment the masse actually read the Bible. Wait a minute, it says rich people are rear end in a top hat right here??? Of course they have since then refined their doublethink to fit these modern challenges.
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guns for tits posted:Do rich Christians think that passing a camel through the eye of a needle is the easiest poo poo ever? I'm not Christian, so forgive me if my interpretation of the New Testament is wrong, but I'm pretty sure Jesus wasn't too big a fan of the very wealthy. If I recall there is some bullshit rationalization out there that he meant some gate called eye of the needle and that means it's easy for a rich man to enter heaven.
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Improbable Lobster posted:There just aren't that many unions anymore thanks to decades of unionbusting. Millennials are generally happy to join a union when there's one to join. Yeah and any workplace where there isn't an already existing union millenials aren't likely to unionize due to the precariousness of their finances/jobs. The labor pool is so massive that employers don't have to care very much at all. It's not a risk most people are willing to take - especially if they're worried about getting some sort of employer-blacklisting moving forward. It's a mess. wilderthanmild posted:If I recall there is some bullshit rationalization out there that he meant some gate called eye of the needle and that means it's easy for a rich man to enter heaven. No loving way is this real
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Perry Mason Jar posted:No loving way is this real Historically it absolutely isnt, but as a thing people believe now a days to avoid confronting Jesus message on wealth it 100% is.
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Imma need a source here cause that's really far out there even for fervently cognitively dissonant fundamentalists.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Imma need a source here cause that's really far out there even for fervently cognitively dissonant fundamentalists. I mean, if the wikipedia entry isn't scholarly enough, there's the website "www.eyeoftheneedle.net"
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Aug 1, 2018 17:49
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Prosperity gospel is a thing. A loving disgusting thing.
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wilderthanmild posted:If I recall there is some bullshit rationalization out there that he meant some gate called eye of the needle and that means it's easy for a rich man to enter heaven. Communist Walrus posted:Well you see, the Eye of the Needle was actually a gate in the walls of Jerusalem which was exceptionally wide, so it was really quite easy for a fully-laden camel to walk through it 
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World War Mammories posted:I mean, if the wikipedia entry isn't scholarly enough, there's the website "www.eyeoftheneedle.net" Wikipedia posted:Cyril of Alexandria (fragment 219) claimed that "camel" is a Greek misspelling; that kamêlos (camel) was written in place of kamilos, meaning "rope" or "cable".[2][3][4] More recently, George Lamsa, in his 1933 translation of the Bible into English from the Syriac, claimed this as well. That actually makes a lot more sense, huh
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This is all obviously very stupid but how do they reconcile that reading with the teaching to "go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven,"?
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Perry Mason Jar posted:This is all obviously very stupid but how do they reconcile that reading with the teaching to "go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven,"? Hmm, sounds optional
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Aug 1, 2018 17:59
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Why would you need treasure in heaven
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wilderthanmild posted:If I recall there is some bullshit rationalization out there that he meant some gate called eye of the needle and that means it's easy for a rich man to enter heaven. Perry Mason Jar posted:No loving way is this real Haha ya it's real, although the way I heard it explained it was 'the eye of the needle is a door. It's small but if you try really hard ya you can get a camel through! That means it's OK to be wealthy and Christian, you just have to work harder to get into heaven' Of course this was from an Adventist pastor from the USA that wanted to turn his little Canadian congregation into a megachurch in a fancy new building and spent a shitload of the budget on a sound system that they'd have to pack up every Saturday after church in their rented building and also kicked people out of the church band for not being 'professional' enough. Religion, justifying stupid bullshit since, well, a super long time ago. EvilJoven has issued a correction as of 18:03 on Aug 1, 2018 |
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Kind of sounds like God gives you good interest for charity, I'll invest just enough to rebuild my wealth in afterlife
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Perry Mason Jar posted:This is all obviously very stupid but how do they reconcile that reading with the teaching to "go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven,"? Jesus only meant that one guy. It's not an admonition for everyone!
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"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." "But lord, is it not easy for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, since it is a big gate designed for camels to go through it?" "Yes, my child. The rich worked for their wealth. Vote republican" --the bible
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Trying to compile a list of Jesus' teachings that fundamentalists/evangelicals follow: 1.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Trying to compile a list of Jesus' teachings that fundamentalists/evangelicals follow: Lie, cheat and steal your way to a fortune.
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1. Ride daddy's coattails
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1. Sacrifice your firstborn for personal gain
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madmatt112 posted:This is what really terrifies me about being a conscious being - that I could find myself so deep into despair and mental illness that I lose most or all of my ability to think things through or discern rational thoughts from irrational thoughts to the point where I fling myself out of a window with a wife and kids left behind. I've been close-ish to that place, it's some intense bullshit. As someone with deep depression and these kindve thoughts every day its interesting to be self aware of it. The edge is there and the irrational/deppressed-rationalized thoughts just serve to pull you closer to it. And when you're having those types of thoughts they really do circle around and make you irrational only to have you realize how stupid you were being later on. You know later when saaaay you're NOT in the mood to kill yourself. Being a conscious being also sucks in regard to being ever more aware of how hosed everything around us only compounds this. Luckily therapy and learning to not give a gently caress positively helps a lot.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Prosperity gospel is a thing. prosperity gospel is demon worship
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Most people don't believe in religion anyway, they only spout this stuff because it's what's socially acceptable and they fear being shunned from their network if they reveal the truth. They also think that following the fundie train makes them seem like moral, honorable people. It's bullshit. It's all bullshit. Civilization is rotting.
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Outrail posted:That post about millennials and that post about ~5% union participation. Isnt the millennial generation in general ripe for unionization? In very brief, unions in the USA had their most successful recruiting times during the Great Depression. Millions and millions of people who had never been in a union or had family in a union or anything were joining up, they were PISSED, and the Russian Revolution had just happened ~15-20 years ago. That was basically the impetus for the New Deal - FDR went to rich people and said 'look we gotta do something here or it's all over.' He went back to the unions and said 'I'm gonna help you guys out and I'm gonna get money from the rich to do it, but you have to drop the talk about revolution.' And they (pretty much) went along with that. Then comes minimum wage (higher than it is today, adjusting for inflation), unemployment, social security, and millions of government jobs. Now, about half the rich people FDR went to weren't convinced* and have been doing their best to dismantle all that ever since (that's where people like Koch Bros come from). They killed the labor movement, they demonized socialism and communism, etc. It was done with intent. It's not just a coincidence that union participation has been sinking like a stone ever since or that the mildest criticism of the economic system is labeled "EXTREMELY DANGEROUS SUBVERSIVE AND DISLOYAL!" SO to answer the actual question - yes this generation is ripe for unionization but it'll probably require another big recession. If this does happen what will be interesting will be to see if we get another concession to help the masses out or if this time the elites/rich say 'nah gently caress you' and thus ensure the destruction of capitalism by neutering the part of capitalism that is supposed to mitigate the excesses that cause such instability. * fun fact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot quote:In 1936 William Dodd, the U.S. Ambassador to Germany, wrote a letter to President Roosevelt in which he stated, Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 19:38 on Aug 1, 2018 |
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They're going to bin every social service and institute UBI.
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Well that's not necessarily a bad thing if the UBI amount is at least equal to the amount of benefits people get. I'd expect a real UBI to at least be able to pay for housing, food, and healthcare. It's more efficient to just give people cash than dole it out for specific earmarked purposes. Turns out most people just go buy stuff they need and pay bills and don't immediately go to Vegas and blow it all on red. I don't think it will save capitalism and is more kicking the can down the road a bit but that's complicated as gently caress to get into (I could also be wrong!).
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Life long farmer: hey, I'm really hungry hey, where'd you get that food..? ...how does anyone do this?
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The next recession is going to coincide with the socioeconomic effects of climate change which will include droughts famines wars and mass migration of people from the more arid regions to places like Europe and Asia. And the rich now have access to semi autonomous drones that can blow things up. So basically we're all damned and it's just going to keep getting worse until the entire house of cards falls apart and the world literally stops making the things the rich need to survive and at that point ya we might see some real change by then we're all pretty much dead anyway. GLHF.
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My favorite part of living in these times is the techbros saying that we can fix the planet with robot cars and apps.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:They're going to bin every social service and institute UBI. There will never be a UBI in the United States because there is no threat of the rich getting guillotined, and all concessions given to poor people are based on the fear of said guillotines.
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EvilJoven posted:My favorite part of living in these times is the techbros saying that we can fix the planet with robot cars and apps. Climate change models do change depending on who is interpreting the information and how they choose to represent it. However, the general consensus is that humans are turbo-hosed unless we do something yesterday. Even if we all stop burning fossil fuels today, the sheer momentum of climate change is pretty much impossible to stop. Our best bet is to move north or live underground for a couple dozen generations. Anyone having kids right now is a grade A idiot.
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UBI has been tried already, it's all the welfare programs that have been gutted. There is no reason to believe that should a UBI be implemented the capitalist class would not immediately try and hollow out it's funding sources, size of payouts, institute all kinds of means testing etc. There is a reason why a number of rich billionaires are flirting with the idea of UBI, because they know it will be cheaper in the long run and still allow for concentration of wealth.
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EvilJoven posted:My favorite part of living in these times is the techbros saying that we can fix the planet with robot cars and apps. This is a great propaganda device because it directs people away from the obvious real world solutions that have already been implemented before (see New Deal 1930s USA) and elevates Silicon Valley robber barons to god status
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UBI is like your dad offering to let you live in his place after college, but with strings attached. And you are powerless to complain, lest you be kicked to the curb. If we had a government program to guarantee jobs for everybody, it would give workers "too much" bargaining power... Which is why techbros aren't talking about it.
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"Hey everyone, I made an app I'm calling [insert techbro name that's basically a common word with a vowel removed], it lets you get around all that pesky government red tape and join the gig economy by doing [insert task that used to earn a person at least a meager living wage but over the years has been whittled away to working poverty wages] without all the regulations!" "But those regulations are things like our labour laws, which were implemented because we were like 6 months away from a complete workers revolt in the western world because poo poo sucked so bad..." "But now we have an app!" *a bunch of loving morons applaud and start working* "Oh gently caress we made a terrible mistake and can barely make rent and have to work like 24/7 to afford a basic existence"
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SniperWoreConverse posted:only cowards refuse to talk about how much they make especially if it's to coworkers ever make enough money that people will start to use you if they knew? lol... probably not
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