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jivjov posted:There's legit implication that Lando had sexual relations with L3. There's nothing in the movie that explicitly states he's not heterosexual; they just said in outside movie materials he's pansexual or bisexual or whatever, which is what what Waffles was talking about.
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And given that L3 is a female robot, that's still heterosexual behavior.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:And given that L3 is a female robot, that's still heterosexual behavior. Different species. Stands to reason that within the context of Star Wars, with myriad sapient species, the label of "pansexual" encompasses not only "sexual attraction regardless of gender" but also "sexual attraction regardless of species"
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homey being a guy and being into Ayla Secura doesn't make you pan
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jivjov posted:Different species. Stands to reason that within the context of Star Wars, with myriad sapient species, the label of "pansexual" encompasses not only "sexual attraction regardless of gender" but also "sexual attraction regardless of species" Well, yes, but in the context of TYOOL 2018, pansexual doesn't mean that. Even if that was true, Lando would be... like... a hetero-pansexual. Species and gender are different axes.
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Lando being in a relationship with a female droid doesn't preclude him also potentially having interest in men as well. L3 straight up calls his banter with Han "flirtatious"
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I saw the same movie you did and there is absolutely nothing in Solo that would raise alarm flags from the most homophobic soccer mom in all Idaho. Somebody at Disney, or it was Donald Glover in an interview I forget what, said Lando is bisexual or pansexual or whatever, and it absolutely was not made clear or even strongly hinted at in the movie.
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Then you really missed L3 and Lando's relationship.
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Reading this thread lately has been a real trip, great entertainment provided. Good job everyone, particularly you jivjov. I'm really into the idea that what counts is what the "Story Group" decides. Their word is law and nothing else matters. Really powerful group there. They seem to be able to affect reality on a whim! Has everyone seen the trailer for the upcoming Halloween movie? It seems to decide that no movie after the original movie is "canon", that Laurie isn't Michael's sister etc. My question is, with this change, in a movie approved of by John Carpenter no less, mean all the other movies "don't count"? That they didn't happen? Because I've seen them, I remember them, so I'm pretty sure they happened, no matter what Danny McBride and David Gordon Green decided. To me, and most people in this thread, this means that what we see in the movies counts and some group of people outside of it saying "This bit happened, this bit didn't" doesn't mean poo poo to me. I am looking forward to the latest Halloween, don't get me wrong, but I don't care what is "canon", it's all made up anyway. It all counts and none of it counts, if that makes sense. To ask a question that jivjov has seemingly been asked already, using Halloween as a template, if a future movie came out and said Luke+Leia weren't siblings after all, does that mean all the movies that said they were suddenly don't count and don't exist? Or do you understand that it is all just stories and what counts is what is on screen. I mean, there have been 24 "official" Bond movies. In them, Bond has fought the cold war, seen the end of the cold war and then somehow been recruited in the post 9/11 world for his first mission. All in the same series of films! And before you say the Daniel Craig films aren't in the same universe as the others, explain the Aston Martin in Skyfall and Judi Dench still being M. Not to mention "non-canon" films like the 1967 Casino Royale or Never Say Never Again. In conclusion, canon is a land of contrasts and Jakku is Tatooine. 
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sticking your dick in a toaster doesn't make you pan
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Oh boy, it's time for the "are droids people" debate again!
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Brother Entropy posted:sticking your dick in a toaster doesn't make you pan counterpoint; this is the only thing that could make anyone pan
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jivjov posted:Oh boy, it's time for the "are droids people" debate again! sticking your dick in a sapient toaster doesn't make you pan either
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garycoleisgod posted:Reading this thread lately has been a real trip, great entertainment provided. Good job everyone, particularly you jivjov. Halloween 3 is the most canon of all.
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garycoleisgod posted:Has everyone seen the trailer for the upcoming Halloween movie? It seems to decide that no movie after the original movie is "canon", that Laurie isn't Michael's sister etc. My question is, with this change, in a movie approved of by John Carpenter no less, mean all the other movies "don't count"? That they didn't happen? Because I've seen them, I remember them, so I'm pretty sure they happened, no matter what Danny McBride and David Gordon Green decided. To me, and most people in this thread, this means that what we see in the movies counts and some group of people outside of it saying "This bit happened, this bit didn't" doesn't mean poo poo to me. I am looking forward to the latest Halloween, don't get me wrong, but I don't care what is "canon", it's all made up anyway. It all counts and none of it counts, if that makes sense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFUqVeQg-Yg
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Lando's relationship with L3 is not evidence of him being pansexual because she is binary.
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Bongo Bill posted:Lando's relationship with L3 is not evidence of him being pansexual because she is binary. 
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jivjov posted:I mean, yeah, if tomorrow some new novel came out that Jakku and Tatooine were somehow the same planet, that would be the "truth" within the context of the star wars universe. Would have made SMG right all this time; because until this hypothetical source came out, it wouldn't have been right...but going forward he would be. So if the group states tomorrow that Jakku is Tattoine then does that mean that in the universe the two planets were once different places but are now the same? Like, characters would say “that’s Jakku, that used to be a different planet than Tattoine, but as of last Friday is the same one.”
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jivjov posted:Fanfic is fine...as long as there's no misconception to its apocryphal nature. I play in a Star Wars tabletop RPG game. The events in it are clearly not canonical. I'm not gonna get made at Disney for not holding to my table group's storyline in future films. Would it help if you considered the discussion ITT as a tabletop RPG game, instead of taking it seriously? Basically, what is going to get you to not post a reply to the phrase "Jakku is Tatooine"?
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YOLOsubmarine posted:So if the group states tomorrow that Jakku is Tattoine then does that mean that in the universe the two planets were once different places but are now the same? Like, characters would say “that’s Jakku, that used to be a different planet than Tattoine, but as of last Friday is the same one.” I wonder if Jivjov has ever read Morrison's Animal Man, or even The Dark Tower or something like that jivjov have you done that
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It's time to get to the heart of the matter-----does jivjov experience qualia?
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Harime Nui posted:It's time to get to the heart of the matter-----does jivjov experience qualia? He's a Chinese Room but the walls are lined with Star Wars.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:He's a Chinese Room but the walls are lined with Star Wars. And the Story Group decides which specific material lines the room. This is starting to make sense.
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New viewing order: Seminar on Social Phenomenology: Edmund Husserl on Objectivation, Intersubjectivity and Community Affairs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaQ5n09rX7A) a blank screen with siri reading out jivjoy's posts itt I II III IV all youtube videos containing Kathleen Kennedy VI VII -- But seriously, how cool is it that they have started filming IX. I can't wait for leak-esque social media posts by nerd celebrities like Kevin Smith.
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Harime Nui posted:It's time to get to the heart of the matter-----does jivjov experience qualia? he doesn't experience anything else 0_O
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I'm still tickled pink that this hard nosed atheist is actually the most religious guy on the forums and doesn't even realise it.
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jivjov posted:I'd suggest reading Bloodline, and maybe Phasma. Bloodline is a Leia-centric novel that deals with the political state of the New Republic. Phasma is mostly Phasma's personal backstory...but the "present day" interlude chapters have a bit of First Order stuff. Not a chance in hell. But if you're up to telling us what they say about what sort of political entity the First Order is (a party, a government, whatever), I'd be curious to hear about it.
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jivjov posted:Oh boy, it's time for the "are droids people" debate again! Do you think droids are people, jivjov? The movies objectivelly and unequivocally depict them as people of course, but I wonder what's the Story Group's position on this.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Not a chance in hell. But if you're up to telling us what they say about what sort of political entity the First Order is (a party, a government, whatever), I'd be curious to hear about it. I went to find out myself and that led me down some various rabbit holes. Did you know that Snoke had already anointed Ben Solo as Kylo Ren, Master of the Knights of Ren, BEFORE Luke tried to kill him? And Snoke was 'indirectly responsible' for Luke establishing his own Jedi academy?
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:I went to find out myself and that led me down some various rabbit holes. Wow, Snoke seems like a pretty important guy, a real mover and shaker with ties to all the main characters. I can't wait to see the payoff to all of this in the movies!
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Waffles Inc. posted:There's a Slate podcast called Decoder Ring (it's pretty good, check it) that did an episode about the Sherlock Holmes "fandom" being like, the first one, back in the day, and apparently that's where the terminology "canon" comes from, and it was used as a sort of self-aware, self-mocking "joke" about how seriously they were treating the work(s) Dorothy L. Sayers on the "Sherlockian game": quote:The game of applying the methods of the "Higher Criticism" to the Sherlock Holmes canon was begun, many years ago, by Ronald Knox, with the aim of showing that, by those methods, one could disintegrate a modern classic as speciously as a certain school of critics have endeavoured to disintegrate the Bible. Since then, the thing has become a hobby among a select set of jesters here and in America.
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jivjov posted:There's never been a Christmas special. You're thinking of the Holiday Special; and that's Legends.
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folks I've got some bad news, takodana has ZERO moons
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I seriously have no idea how normal people talk or what they think about Star Wars any more.
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They don't think about it, OP
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it's hosed up that anyone with enough money can just buy a thing and define everything about it but that is the way it is now
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jivjov's god is clearly the almighty dollar
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goon project: source enough money to buy a story group badge
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Lil’ Jimmy Snoke getting murked in TLJ was hilarious and incredible and good.
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Captain Jesus posted:Do you think droids are people, jivjov? The movies objectivelly and unequivocally depict them as people of course, but I wonder what's the Story Group's position on this. They're not humans, obviously, and there's definitely room for discussion on exactly what type of being they are given their fundamental differences from organic life...but yeah, most of the droids we see in the saga are people. Battle droids circa episode 1 I kinda question, since they're treated as pure automata. I'm not sure if the independence and whatnot were always there but suppressed or if the non-centrally controlled droids were fundamentally different in some way.
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